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    ALEXANDRIA, Va. - The FBI agent who arrested Zacarias Moussaoui in August 2001 testified Monday he spent almost four weeks trying to warn U.S. officials about the radical Islamic student pilot but "criminal negligence" by superiors in Washington thwarted a chance to stop the 9/11 attacks. FBI agent Harry Samit of Minneapolis originally testified as a government witness, on March 9, but his daylong cross examination by defense attorney Edward MacMahon was the strongest moment so far for the court-appointed lawyers defending Moussaoui.


    Good. more power to him, having the balls to stand up to his bosses. maybe next time, the clueless fucks will listen to warnings and take them seriously. but then again, maybe the government had some hand in it.
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    “ Originally posted by FORD
    History tells us that oppressive nations build walls to keep people IN, not out.
    (See "Berlin Wall" and "Likud Israel" for examples) ” FORD- when i told him i'd build a wall between the US and Mexico.

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    Sounds more like criminal incompetence to me.
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    I think that's probably the most unamerican statement I've ever heard on this message board. To think the US government aided the terrorist attacks. I hope I just misread that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheInside1985
    I think that's probably the most unamerican statement I've ever heard on this message board. To think the US government aided the terrorist attacks. I hope I just misread that.

    If someone had something to gain from aiding a terrorist......hey, one never knows.

    You're not one of those people who trusts politicians just because they're politicians, are ya?


    BTW, the phrase "unAmerican" has about as much impact as "Where's The Beef?" these days. Very overused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowLifeFlatHeadScum
    If someone had something to gain from aiding a terrorist......hey, one never knows.

    You're not one of those people who trusts politicians just because they're politicians, are ya?


    BTW, the phrase "unAmerican" has about as much impact as "Where's The Beef?" these days. Very overused.
    thank you, scum, appreciate the backup. to On The Inside: am i un American? absofuckinglutely not. do i trust elected officials because they run our country? no i dont. truth is, you never know what anyone who runs a superpower country can or is willing to do for their own personal agenda. i love my country. i enlisted in the Marine Corps to protect my country and its people. would i die for our freedom to ensure others would enjoy the same freedoms? yes. would i burn our country's flag in protest? no. like the text in a certain VH video, RIGHT NOW, OUR GOVERNMENT IS DOING THINGS WE THINK ONLY OTHER COUNTRIES DO. i hope to God that nothing from 9/11 had anything to do with our government. but, you never know for sure. thats my thought. so to you , On The Inside 1985, if you think i am un American, FUCK YOU. i love my COUNTRY. i will die for my COUNTRY.
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    “ Originally posted by FORD
    History tells us that oppressive nations build walls to keep people IN, not out.
    (See "Berlin Wall" and "Likud Israel" for examples) ” FORD- when i told him i'd build a wall between the US and Mexico.

    then ill build it from the mexican side. -my reply.

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    on another note, i do believe terrorism is alive and well. Osama Bin Laden has been pulling his bullshit against us for years. but dont forget, if you dig a little, youll also see that the Bush family and the Bin Laden family AND Halliburton have all done business together, at some point or another. i am all for the war in afghanistan, to topple the taliban and break up al-qaeda. we also unseated saddam hussein, who has committed terrible crimes against humanity. i hate the fact that every time i get on an airplane, if i see a person of arab descent, im going to wonder why hes there and what hes up to, and if hes going to steer us into a strategic target. i hate the fact that i think all muslims are hell bent on killing Americans. what i really hate is that i am a walking contradiction. i love my country, yet dont trust my government's current administration. given the Bush/BinLaden/Halliburton ties, there's too much conflict of interest there and i think it raises alot of questions. i really dislike arabs because i feel they are all a murderous, fanatical people, yet i have known and am friends with several muslims, including the son of the saudi oil minister, Ali al-Naimi, who went to the local university several years ago. another thing that i hate----that i am on a Van Halen message board talking about politics. im gonna head over to music only and see whats going on over there.
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    “ Originally posted by FORD
    History tells us that oppressive nations build walls to keep people IN, not out.
    (See "Berlin Wall" and "Likud Israel" for examples) ” FORD- when i told him i'd build a wall between the US and Mexico.

    then ill build it from the mexican side. -my reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisca
    Osama Bin Laden has been pulling his bullshit against us for years. but dont forget, if you dig a little, youll also see that the Bush family and the Bin Laden family AND Halliburton have all done business together, at some point or another.
    I don't understand what the problem is here? As far as I know, the only terrorist is Osama. By this logic, anyone that did business with Jeffrey Dahmer's parents must've been involved in cannibalism?

    And I wonder if whenever one of the witnesses made a statement that he agreed with, defense attorney Edward MacMahon gave a rousing "You are correct, sir!"?

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    Guys, it's simple.

    The FBI fucked up. They tied their own hands because at the time of the arrest the AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE BITCHING AND MOANING ABOUT RACIAL PROFILING . So calling a middle-eastern man a suspected terrorist would have gotten everyone involved fired or demoted if they were wrong. Congress, the Senate and the White House were condemning Racial Profiling very loudly and the message was clear, so the FBI management was simply covering it's ass.

    You get the government you deserve.

    The fear of being fired for "Racist Actions" extended to Airline employees and Airport Security. There are copies of memos out there that sternly warn Check-in agents that Arab or Middle Eastern men should be treated like everyone else and NOT like terrorists. So in spite of the fact that Mohamed Atta creeped out almost everyone he dealt with at the Bangore airport, nobody stopped him because to do so would have been racist and gotten them fired.

    The FBI has a decentralized structure and their "Terrorism Experts" are in Washington or Quantico, they didn't want to hear from some "Yokel" field agent because they fealt that if there were terrorists in the country they would know it first. I've said this hundreds of times before, 9/11 was a failure of ego on the part of the FBI, CIA and White House Terrorism "Experts". They wouldn't work together and they sure as hell wouldn't listen to a "Field Grade" agent.

    It's sort of like MikeL and BradS being in charge, you could see how well they'd work together

    To imply that the U.S. government was complicit with the 9/11 hijackers show ignorance. Look at the target, the World Trade Center and then look at the companies who did business there:

    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra.../tenants1.html

    One of the biggest was Cantor - Fitzgerald, a huge bond trading firm.

    I'll be blunt, there is nobody inside the U.S. Government powerful enough to make enemies out of Cantor Fitzgerald alone, as well as those other companies. Plus the Thai Government? Do you really think that you can murder the employees of a multi-billion-dollar- day company and keep it secret? Those companies combines have more lawyer than we do soldiers and many of those laywers have private investigators on retainer. Not Sam Spade PIs either, I'm talking ex-CIA, Delta Force, Navy SEAL, British SAS and other high-speed ass-kickers. If you don't think that the events of 9/11 haven't been quietly looked into by very powerful individuals then you don't know how things work. The people that died at the WTC had powerful friends in countries all around the world and these are people that you don't want to piss off.

    George Bush doesn't have that many friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisca
    but then again, maybe the government had some hand in it.
    you really are an idiot.

    really.

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    [QUOTE=sisca]on another note, i do believe terrorism is alive and well. Osama Bin Laden has been pulling his bullshit against us for years. but dont forget, if you dig a little, youll also see that the Bush family and the Bin Laden family AND Halliburton have all done business together, at some point or another. i am all for the war in afghanistan, to topple the taliban and break up al-qaeda. we also unseated saddam hussein, who has committed terrible crimes against humanity. i hate the fact that every time i get on an airplane, if i see a person of arab descent, im going to wonder why hes there and what hes up to, and if hes going to steer us into a strategic target. i hate the fact that i think all muslims are hell bent on killing Americans. what i really hate is that i am a walking contradiction. i love my country, yet dont trust my government's current administration. given the Bush/BinLaden/Halliburton ties, there's too much conflict of interest there and i think it raises alot of questions..[/QUOT

    bush and bin laden and haliburton...?

    wow. now where have we heard THAT little tid-bit before...

    oh yes, from the completely discredited piece of leftist, anti-bush propaganda we affectionately dub "Unfairenheit 9/11". read and learn something, moron:

    Unfairenheit 9/11
    The lies of Michael Moore.
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    Posted Monday, June 21, 2004

    read the entire article here: http://www.slate.com/id/2102723/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300
    Guys, it's simple.

    The FBI fucked up. They tied their own hands because at the time of the arrest the AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE BITCHING AND MOANING ABOUT RACIAL PROFILING . So calling a middle-eastern man a suspected terrorist would have gotten everyone involved fired or demoted if they were wrong. Congress, the Senate and the White House were condemning Racial Profiling very loudly and the message was clear, so the FBI management was simply covering it's ass.

    You get the government you deserve.

    The fear of being fired for "Racist Actions" extended to Airline employees and Airport Security. There are copies of memos out there that sternly warn Check-in agents that Arab or Middle Eastern men should be treated like everyone else and NOT like terrorists. So in spite of the fact that Mohamed Atta creeped out almost everyone he dealt with at the Bangore airport, nobody stopped him because to do so would have been racist and gotten them fired.

    The FBI has a decentralized structure and their "Terrorism Experts" are in Washington or Quantico, they didn't want to hear from some "Yokel" field agent because they fealt that if there were terrorists in the country they would know it first. I've said this hundreds of times before, 9/11 was a failure of ego on the part of the FBI, CIA and White House Terrorism "Experts". They wouldn't work together and they sure as hell wouldn't listen to a "Field Grade" agent.

    It's sort of like MikeL and BradS being in charge, you could see how well they'd work together

    To imply that the U.S. government was complicit with the 9/11 hijackers show ignorance. Look at the target, the World Trade Center and then look at the companies who did business there:

    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra.../tenants1.html

    One of the biggest was Cantor - Fitzgerald, a huge bond trading firm.

    I'll be blunt, there is nobody inside the U.S. Government powerful enough to make enemies out of Cantor Fitzgerald alone, as well as those other companies. Plus the Thai Government? Do you really think that you can murder the employees of a multi-billion-dollar- day company and keep it secret? Those companies combines have more lawyer than we do soldiers and many of those laywers have private investigators on retainer. Not Sam Spade PIs either, I'm talking ex-CIA, Delta Force, Navy SEAL, British SAS and other high-speed ass-kickers. If you don't think that the events of 9/11 haven't been quietly looked into by very powerful individuals then you don't know how things work. The people that died at the WTC had powerful friends in countries all around the world and these are people that you don't want to piss off.

    George Bush doesn't have that many friends.

    So give me a break...

    but it's actually even more simple than that:

    the FBI's central task is to solve standard DOMESTIC crimes--meaning that it focuses on traditional crimes that occur here in the US and is usually brought in only AFTER the crime has been committed. in other words, the FBI's job is tell us who did what, when, how and to whom to build an effective case that comes to fruiton as a successful prosecution.

    the FBI has only (relatively) recently been tasked with counter-terrorism activities and, as many others have argued and i completely agree, is woefully il-equipped and poorly prepared to carry out this specific mission. FBI agents are simply federal COPS with a national jurisdiction.

    expecting them to perform effective counter-terrorism activities is absurd. so it really is no great wonder that they totally fucked this thing up.

    the lead US agency tasked with counter-terrorism should be the CIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousDooDoo
    but it's actually even more simple than that:

    the FBI's central task is to solve standard DOMESTIC crimes--meaning that it focuses on traditional crimes that occur here in the US and is usually brought in only AFTER the crime has been committed. in other words, the FBI's job is tell us who did what, when, how and to whom to build an effective case that comes to fruiton as a successful prosecution.

    the FBI has only (relatively) recently been tasked with counter-terrorism activities and, as many others have argued and i completely agree, is woefully il-equipped and poorly prepared to carry out this specific mission. FBI agents are simply federal COPS with a national jurisdiction.

    expecting them to perform effective counter-terrorism activities is absurd. so it really is no great wonder that they totally fucked this thing up.

    the lead US agency tasked with counter-terrorism should be the CIA.

    Actually, the new part is international terrorists that's fairly new to the FBI.

    The FBI has a damn solid track record when it comes to domestic terrorists, they headed off a massive strike by white supremisists on natural gas farms in Central California in 1999 and successfully infiltrated the KKK, Zulu Warlords and other domestic bad guys wich stopped many potentual strikes over the years.

    The FBI failure for 9/11 came when they created a "Bin Laden Desk" that was seperate from the "Terrorism Desk", while they were litterally a few cubicals away neither communicated with the other. Some of it was office politics and some of it was protocol. The Bin Laden Desk handled international intelligence, which required special permission. The Terrorism Desk, for some stupid reason, didn't have this permission. They had to apply for each case individually. Since the "Bin Laden Desk" worked with the CIA, it had strict procedures about mixing foriegn and domestic intelligence. This was as much out of fear than anything and this has proven to be a legitimate fear considering the uproar over alleged NSA wiretapping, this even though they're watching the same people that the FBI was trying to follow before 9/11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousDooDoo
    you really are an idiot.

    really.
    feel better now, doodoo? i guess in your eyes, our government can do no wrong. yeah, theyre a bunch of boy scouts up there. you dont find this at all possible?

    now suck my dick.
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    “ Originally posted by FORD
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    (See "Berlin Wall" and "Likud Israel" for examples) ” FORD- when i told him i'd build a wall between the US and Mexico.

    then ill build it from the mexican side. -my reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheInside1985
    I think that's probably the most unamerican statement I've ever heard on this message board. To think the US government aided the terrorist attacks. I hope I just misread that.
    Osama Bin Laden became an "asset" of the CIA on the personal insistence of George Herbert Walker Bush. The Bush & Bin Laden families have been, and continue to be business partners.

    Salem Bin Laden financed Junior's first oil company. He later died when his lear jet took an unexpected sharp left turn into some high voltage power lines over Texas. Yet Salem Bin Laden was a trained pilot with hundreds of hours of flight experience, unlike oh say Hani Hanjour who supposedly defied the laws of gravity, thermodynamics and nature itself and allegedly brought a Boeing 757 out of a 38 degree turn into the ground floor of the Pentagon without leaving a single scar on the lawn.

    Marvin Bush was in charge of the WTC security. WTC security bypassed the usual procedures, including bomb sniffing dogs, in order to allow crews into the building to work on the building's sprinkler system. This would have been the perfect cover to wire the buildings for the controlled demolition that took them down.

    We know Osama DID work for the Bushes. We don't know when - or even IF - he turned in a resignation letter.

    Connect the goddamn dots, you blind sheep.
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