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    Just look at the sales of movies for 2005.....I'm glad I don't listen to Hollywood on what a good movie is.....and apparently not many other people do either.




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    Let's face it, the critics are out of touch regarding what the average movie goer finds entertaining. For my example I'll use 'The Constant Gardener'. We saw that it was receiving all these accolades, so we decided to rent it. Here is our opinion of the movie:
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    Default Or maybe it's America that's out of touch with their brains

    Um, is your argument that these top sellers are good movies?
    Maybe a 3rd of these are worth seeing, but I'll sooner see any of the
    Oscar nominees than Hitch or the Fantastic 4. Not that I give
    a shit about the big Oscar blow fest, but what we have here is
    yet another example of how popular does not equal quality.

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    Being a guy who watches two or three movies a week (I catch one before work) the thing I should point out is that, with a few exceptions, all of those movies were big screen events. They were the kind of movie that you have to watch on a giant screen surrounded by sound. Star Wars and Batman are good on the small screen but are GREAT on a movie screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistere
    Um, is your argument that these top sellers are good movies?
    Maybe a 3rd of these are worth seeing, but I'll sooner see any of the
    Oscar nominees than Hitch or the Fantastic 4. Not that I give
    a shit about the big Oscar blow fest, but what we have here is
    yet another example of how popular does not equal quality.

    Not really an argument, but it is apparent that what the "Oscar" people think is not exactly what most people want to see. Also these are ranked by GLOBAL not DOMESTIC. So it's not just Americans. When a song called "It's hard out here for a pimp", something is wrong. It may have been the best out of what was out there, but if it was, we are hurting on quality. Sometimes it just seems that Hollywood is telling society that they are smarter than us and trying to tell us what is "good".
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    Movies that are skillfully crafted to appeal to the mass market will get what they deserve - big money and lots of merchandising. Movies that are written and produced with a view to quality will get the awards, regardless of the box office or whether or not a less discerning audience will 'get it'. Crash is a great, challenging movie and deserved its Oscar. I loved King Kong and Batman Returns but the fact that they were more popular with 14 year old kids doesn't make them better than Crash or The Constant Gardener.

    If all you want is a popularity contest for movies watch the MTV awards or just read the box office figures. If you want to see who the movie industry thinks has advanced the art then watch the Oscars. I certainly don't always agree with them, but they're about as good a barometer as to the state of the industry as you'll find.

    Compare this to the music industry - if popularity, sales and money earned were how we judged music then N*Sync were better than Van Halen, Britney Spears has more talent than Suzanne Vega and the Spice Girls were a better band than the Eurythmics.

    Quality and popularity don't go hand in hand. To begrudge a movie being recognised for its integrity rather than its ability to put asses on seats is reverse snobbery.

    EDIT: I'll add a point here, though - all the millions upon millions earned by commercial cinema help fund the less popularist stuff, so I say more power to the Peter Jacksons of the industry because they can make money making film that's still worth seeing and in turn help stuff like Crash, Memento and Sideways get made.
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    Good post Charvel.

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    In film class, way back when, we were taught that we weren't writing a book. We are telling a story with pictures and moving imagery, if the movie doesn't entertain then it fails. In the 1960s the idea that the movies should be used to educate and enlighten people became the dominant attitude in Hollywood and with movie critics (most still believe this). Hollywood had done socially relivant movies in the past, usually adaptations of Steinbeck and other great authors, but by 1974 that's all we got. All of the important movies were politically aware, films like "Coming Home" , "China Syndrome","Network" and "All the President's Men" were the standard and the critics were happy. Then "Jaws" came out and ruined the party by making it FUN to go to the movies again. Then in 1977 "Star Wars" came out and pretty much killed the "intellecual" movies all together. Sure, Hollywood tried to keep the high-brow stuff in focus, movies like "Real People" and Terms Of Endearment" would win best picture mostly so Hollywood could feel good about itself because the unwashed masses were flocking to movies like "Raiders of the Lost Ark" or "Beverly Hills Cop"...the horror.

    The main problem is that in the old days these movies could live side by side, studios would green-light the high-brow stuff with the money they made from the mass-appeal stuff. Today the studios are owned by non-entertainment entities and run by lawyers. Lawyers are averse to risk and will avoid it at all costs. Lawyers will greenlight a "Dukes of HazzardII" before they'd back another movie like "Crash" because there is a gauranteed return with a "Dukes" movie. As a result, there aren't as many "Syriana"'s made and the ones that are made rarely get the wide distribution that "Duece Biggelow II" did. So the critics and the folks that like those movies get cranky.
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    Well I didn't mean to say that the movies that won oscars weren't quality films. I guess I have more of a question. Why doesn't a film, that a majority of people want to go see, win an oscar? I could be wrong, but I bet Will Smith is saying "you can keep your oscar, I'm going to count my money".
    It's just wierd to me. Not something I'm upset or mad about.....

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    Hollywood said 'Sideways' was great but it's one of the biggest pieces of shit ever put on film.
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    Actually, that's not a terrible list. And the global representation probably
    explains why the absence of crap like American#1s like Big Momma 3.
    That said, it's not like any of these movies came out of Topeka, Kansas.
    So how outta touch can HW be? For the most part, it's business as usual,
    and they're gonna give the people what they want. More crappy Rob
    Schneider flicks. But come Oscar night, Charvel hit it on the head. The
    Academy is always gonna recognize whatever it deems more artistically
    noteworthy, as well it should. Does Star Wars really need to be celebrated
    any more than it already was? And was it really any good to begin with?

    And how can you not like Sideways? It's just Swingers in wine country.
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    There will always be something for everyone to enjoy and something for everyone to crap on. We're not going to always agree with the critics (I STILL don't understand what all the fuss is about for "A History of Violence." That has to be one of the worst movies I've seen and many people in the theatre apparently agreed with me as they were laughing in total disappointment. Yet the critics hail this movie as the "Best of the Year.")

    I liked "Sideways," for example, but I can see how someone might not like it. We all have different tastes, but it seems the critics all enjoy the same kind of movies. Personally I'm kind of picky about what I choose to watch--which makes it a little difficult for my wife when she wants to watch her chick-flicks. She's always willing to give 'my movies' a chance, but then I fuss about watching 'hers.'

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    Mr. And Mrs. Smith got that high? Over Batman Begins??? Must be cause of Jolie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheresOnlyOneWay
    Hollywood said 'Sideways' was great but it's one of the biggest pieces of shit ever put on film.
    i watched about 20 minutes of it and got bored... I was waiting for something funny.

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    I didn't think Crash was that great. OK, but whatevs. It's the only one
    of the nominees I've seen so far. But then, I just saw Million Dollar Baby
    a coupla months ago, so there ya go.

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