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    "Sabotage" will always be my all time fave, followed closely by "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"
    and the awesome/stoner-esque "Master of Reality."

    For me, Sabbath became Sabbath on the third album: Master of Reality.

    Iommi tuned lower, for some reason, and also invented Stoner rock/metal (check out
    Fu Manchu, who used that guitar sound as it's blueprint, Kyuss too).

    But i also adore "Born Again" and "Heaven & Hell."

    Different versions of Sabbath, yet still Sabbath somehow.

    I thought "Seventh Star" was a solo record, mostly because the album sleeve said:
    Featuring Tony Iommi.

    To me, it just rang out that this was a separate thing.

    Never got into what followed: Tony Martin, the Ernie C. produced thing, etc.

    I got as far as "Seventh Star," then never listened past that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    "Sabotage" will always be my all time fave, followed closely by "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"
    and the awesome/stoner-esque "Master of Reality."

    For me, Sabbath became Sabbath on the third album: Master of Reality.

    Iommi tuned lower, for some reason, and also invented Stoner rock/metal (check out
    Fu Manchu, who used that guitar sound as it's blueprint, Kyuss too).

    But i also adore "Born Again" and "Heaven & Hell."

    Different versions of Sabbath, yet still Sabbath somehow.

    I thought "Seventh Star" was a solo record, mostly because the album sleeve said:
    Featuring Tony Iommi.

    To me, it just rang out that this was a separate thing.

    Never got into what followed: Tony Martin, the Ernie C. produced thing, etc.

    I got as far as "Seventh Star," then never listened past that point.
    Sabotage & Mob Rules for me...Heaven & Hell is great, but always like Mob better
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombattt View Post
    Sabotage & Mob Rules for me...Heaven & Hell is great, but always like Mob better
    "Mob" is great, yet i always take it for granted.
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    I think the Dio years were their best years. It's hard to disrespect the early albums (especially Paranoid) but that stuff doesn't really hold a candle to the Dio records.

    and japeape, I think you prove my point. Had the Tony Martin albums been recorded by a band with a different name, you might have given them a listen. Especially if you didn't realize it was Iommi on guitar, or even if you did, but saw it as Iommi's new band, you might have been intrigued by that. But knowing it was "tired old Black Sabbath, a band clutching at straws to survive" the way most of us saw it, you didn't even give them a chance, as most of us didn't. I didn't even hear those albums until nearly 20 years after they were recorded, because to me Sabbath without either Ozzy or Dio was a tired old band that needed to hang it up and what kind of lame music they possibly be recording?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    I am!

    I loved this album and played it to death.

    This is one of the most evil songs Sabbath ever did.


    I hear your, bro! I did the same down here in Brazil! Born Again was one of my favourite records from The Sabs. I still own this pirate/bootleg with that line up playing both Highway Star and Smoke on the Water with Bev Bevan playing the drums.

    Oh ... and then there was Disturbing the Priest!!!!!!!!!!!! Did you know that Gillan's vocal lines are the same for a solo tune he recorded in 1977? Scarabus, the tune from the album with the same title. Kick ass tune, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Picture a very young Jape, in his bed with one of those early walkmans, listening
    to the local Heavy Metal show on WBCN, late Sunday Night into Monday Morning.

    Parents thought i was fast asleep, but that walkman was my key to so much amazing
    metal music, i might have missed without the thing.

    But it was 1983, the DJ says: We got some brand new Sabbath....and i like it.

    Cue "The Dark", and that slow, very evil fade into "Zero the Hero."

    I swear, all the tiny hairs on my arms shot up:
    WTF IS THIS??? THIS IS GREAT!!!!

    And that lengthy guitar solo, with that shrieking/trebley/banshee tone.

    Every week, you never knew when, "The Dark" would come on, followed by "Zero."
    I'd get so excited!

    Soon after, they started playing "Disturbing the Priest."

    Like Brooklyn, i thought: This has to be the most evil thing i've ever heard!

    That album had a serious mood.
    They used these weird sound effects, from guitar & bass pedals.
    It was a very unique, creepy album, sound-wise.

    Another memory i have, is 1984, still had the walkman going, school the next day,
    pretending to be asleep.

    Midnight or 1 AM, i fell asleep, woke up right in the middle of that gorgeous guitar
    harmony, after the solo's in "Rime of the ancient Mariner."

    I swear to God, it was like the most beautiful thing i'd ever heard.
    It was weirdly profound to me.

    As the song ended, i realized: Holy shit, Brand new Maiden!!!!
    That was so good!
    Nice post there, man! I like your stories and the sentimental thing that comes with your words since I had the same stuff listening to the same tunes and bands and albums we had back then. Metal was so great and mean and we probably had the best teenage years listening the great musicians producing the soundtrack that still rules our lifes!! I remember Born Again pretty well since it was the days I was learning english and we had this little presentation for Halloween and I used both Stonehenge and Disturbing the Priest as tunes to inspire a certain text I had and stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Even the more straight up, "rockier" kinda things, like "Trashed" and "Hotline,"
    have this slightly evil undercurrent.
    Those are some other cool tunes from that record. And how about Digital Bitch? If Born Again is an evil record, Digital is another song with the same 'let's make this a possessed by evil' album. Those screams just after the chorus are insane!!!!
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    Overall, I'm more into the Ozzy-years. But the musician-side of me (I'm a guitar player) lean more towards the Dio-years and later. If you get what I mean...

    My top 5 Sabbath-albums as of right now are Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Master of Reality, Sabotage, Heaven and Hell and Headless Cross. I wish more people would get into their 80s stuff!
    Sam & Dave are equally as good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedish Fly View Post
    Overall, I'm more into the Ozzy-years. But the musician-side of me (I'm a guitar player) lean more towards the Dio-years and later. If you get what I mean...

    My top 5 Sabbath-albums as of right now are Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Master of Reality, Sabotage, Heaven and Hell and Headless Cross. I wish more people would get into their 80s stuff!
    I also a fan of Headless Cross (and its subsequent, Tyr) and that line up sounded cool to my ears. Maybe a little more polished, but not in a bad way.

    A top 05 The Sabs list? Humm ... let me see:

    1 - Mob Rules
    2 - Paranoid
    3 - Master of Reality
    4 - Born Again
    5 - Heaven & Hell / Technical Ectasy.
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    I respect the debut & Paranoid, but there's still this weird hippie/bluesy after taste.

    But "Master of Reality" just sounds like the birth of so many things.
    "Children of the Grave" is so damn creepy, TO THIS DAY (Plus, that whispered ending).
    "Lord of this World" pretty much blew my mind.
    "Solitude" was like crawling out of the womb.
    Then "Into the Void" hits with a riff that, quite possibly, is the coolest, heaviest riff of all time.
    And after that riff, it goes into another, GREAT, mid paced riff.

    I used to listen to that song in total awe, as a kid, to the point where i thought:
    WE GOTTA GO TO THE SUN, MAN! (those lyrics are so cool).

    "Sabotage," for me, will always be the most important Heavy Metal album.
    That and "Ace of Spades," are like THE GENRE, with all the other great bands taking
    from those formulas.

    But "Sabotage" is just LOADED with riff after riff, and Ozzy singing at his very best:
    Hole in the sky, Megalomania (two songs in one!), The Writ, Thrill of it all, Symptom...

    The album sounds so pissed off, to me.

    Before the first song kicks in, you hear weird studio sounds, and this pained "ARGGGHHHHHH!"

    I used to think it was Ozzy, but i've read it was the Producer, yelling: ATTACK!

    I also love the pained screams & the evil laughter, right before "The Writ" kicks in.
    I read that the band was in such turmoil due to a bad deal by their manager and record
    company, that the pained screams represented the band, and the laughter was the corporate
    suits & lawyers.

    Dark times for Sabbath, but what an inspired album.
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    Something to love from all incarnations, but early Oz and the Dio stuff is my favorite.

    Like Jape, said, once they could start experimenting it got better. Reality, Sabotage, Bloody Sabbath....that's my favorite.
    That "creepy" vibe they captured hooked me in big time. Listening on the headphones in my room at 12/13 years old....scared me sometimes. Left you with the thrill of wanting more.

    Dio was great. Heaven and Hell was my intro to Black Sabbath. Of course when I went back and heard the Oz stuff it was night and day. But I loved how they kept some of the traditional Sabbath tendencies and sped it up a bit. A more high energy approach.
    Come to understand years later, Dio's approach altered things as well. He wasn't singing with the riff the way Ozzy did.
    It gave them more options and the ability to create something totally new. I didn't realize any of this back then but I guess that was why I was loving it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrideofPasadena View Post
    Come to understand years later, Dio's approach altered things as well. He wasn't singing with the riff the way Ozzy did.
    It gave them more options and the ability to create something totally new. I didn't realize any of this back then but I guess that was why I was loving it.
    Yes! The only song that I can recall where Dio sang to the riff itself would be "Country Girl" off the Mob Rules record. Everything else sort of had it's own melody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalFB View Post
    Not sure if you guys have seen this before, but it's new to me, and it's great



    WTF?

    That was outta left field...it was good, but caused a touch of cognitive dissonance
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