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    Feds after Google data

    Posted on Thu, Jan. 19, 2006

    Feds after Google data

    By Howard Mintz/Mercury News

    The Bush administration on Wednesday asked a federal judge to order Google to turn over a broad range of material from its closely guarded databases.

    The move is part of a government effort to revive an Internet child protection law struck down two years ago by the U.S. Supreme Court. The law was meant to punish online pornography sites that make their content accessible to minors. The government contends it needs the Google data to determine how often pornography shows up in online searches.

    In court papers filed in U.S. District Court in San Jose, Justice Department lawyers revealed that Google has refused to comply with a subpoena issued last year for the records, which include a request for 1 million random Web addresses and records of all Google searches from any one-week period.

    The Mountain View-based search and advertising giant opposes releasing the information on a variety of grounds, saying it would violate the privacy rights of its users and reveal company trade secrets, according to court documents.
    Nicole Wong, an associate general counsel for Google, said the company will fight the government's effort ``vigorously.''

    ``Google is not a party to this lawsuit, and the demand for the information is overreaching,'' Wong said.

    The case worries privacy advocates, given the vast amount of information Google and other search engines know about their users.

    ``This is exactly the kind of case that privacy advocates have long feared,'' said Ray Everett-Church, a South Bay privacy consultant. ``The idea that these massive databases are being thrown open to anyone with a court document is the worst-case scenario. If they lose this fight, consumers will think twice about letting Google deep into their lives.''

    Everett-Church, who has consulted with Internet companies facing subpoenas, said Google could argue that releasing the information causes undue harm to its users' privacy.

    ``The government can't even claim that it's for national security,'' Everett-Church said. ``They're just using it to get the search engines to do their research for them in a way that compromises the civil liberties of other people.''

    The government argues that it needs the information as it prepares to once again defend the constitutionality of the Child Online Protection Act in a federal court in Pennsylvania. The law was struck down in 2004 because it was too broad and could prevent adults from accessing legal porn sites.
    However, the Supreme Court invited the government to either come up with a less drastic version of the law or go to trial to prove that the statute does not violate the First Amendment and is the only viable way to combat child porn.

    As a result, government lawyers said in court papers they are developing a defense of the 1998 law based on the argument that it is far more effective than software filters in protecting children from porn. To back that claim, the government has subpoenaed search engines to develop a factual record of how often Web users encounter online porn and how Web searches turn up material they say is ``harmful to minors.''

    The government indicated that other, unspecified search engines have agreed to release the information, but not Google.

    ``The production of those materials would be of significant assistance to the government's preparation of its defense of the constitutionality of this important statute,'' government lawyers wrote, noting that Google is the largest search engine.

    Google has the largest share of U.S. Web searches with 46 percent, according to November 2005 figures from Nielsen//NetRatings. Yahoo is second with 23 percent, and MSN third with 11 percent.

    (Excerpt - Read more Here: )http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/13657303.htm
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    government is fishing for private information under the disguise of child safety... what a joke...
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    Thank God I haven't Google'd anything.

    Thx for the heads-up.

    Jeez, what's next???
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    Lol well image search for "hot sex teen fetish porn" and check the results. lol and tell that's a good thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterlessIceness
    Lol well image search for "hot sex teen fetish porn" and check the results. lol and tell that's a good thing
    nice... be back in a few minutes...
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    Yeah you really twisted his arm there.
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    Say it with me now, Neo-Cons....

    "If you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about...."

    I do love that mantra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowLifeFlatHeadScum
    Say it with me now, Neo-Cons....

    "If you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about...."

    I do love that mantra.

    So what if they find

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatie
    So what if they find

    Indian Grandmother Peanut Butter Fetish No Teeth ?

    I had no idea fetishes had gotten so specific.....nor do I need to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatie
    So what if they find

    Indian Grandmother Peanut Butter Fetish No Teeth ?
    Thats HOT!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatie
    So what if they find

    Indian Grandmother Peanut Butter Fetish No Teeth ?
    Don't worry Phatie, no one's going to find out about your fetish.
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    Thursday, January 19, 2006
    DoJ search requests: Google said no; Yahoo, AOL, MSN yes.
    Update: Earlier today, I asked a Justice Department spokesperson which search engines other than Google received requests to provide search records. The answer: Yahoo, AOL, and MSN were also asked to supply search records information, and all complied. Google did not, and that is why the DoJ asked a federal judge on Wednesday to order the company to do so.
    Another fact to consider as you sift through news coverage: Justice is not requesting this data in the course of a criminal investigation, but in order to defend its argument that the Child Online Protection Act is constitutionally sound.

    It seems apparent that Google objected to the request not for privacy reasons, but on grounds that the request was too broad and burdensome. Privacy advocates I spoke to today, including attorney Sherwin Siy at EPIC, say while the DoJ's request would not identify individual users, the scope and nature of this request sets a troubling precedent. Today, they argue, only search strings and urls; tomorrow, perhaps, the IP addresses of all users who typed in "Osama Bin Laden."

    Update 2: Here are PDF copies of the documents filed on Jan. 18 by Justice Department attorneys in Gonzales v. Google, Inc.: Motion to Compel, Declaration of Joel McElvain, and Declaration of Philip Stark.

    Over at SearchEngineWatch, Danny Sullivan has an extensive and much-updated post about news that the Justice Department demanded search records data from Google....

    (Excerpt - Read More Here: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/19..._requests.html )

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    I have no problems with the gov't obtaining this type of information, so long as the subpoena specifically requests google searches for child porn. If they use the data for other purposes, and don't get another subpoena, then the gov't has overstepped the protection of privacy.
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