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    Quote Originally Posted by rchop84
    From the, WTF department.

    "to me, the EVH stuff has dated badly. Randy's material still astounds 25 years later."

    I dont know who this clown is, but not sure how you can conclude ed's stuff is dated.
    What a joke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed shred
    Randy was a great guitar player and i will never be a pimple on his ass, but his tone to me was just really horrible. So sue me!
    agreed

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    Hey guys do me a favor if you could.

    I am in a disagreement over there with some ass-clown and would appreciate it if you can check what I have written. I want to know if I am being correct with my statements converning Eddie. I understand we have our favorites but some people over there are making assine statements.

    You should see my novels on the last page or so of the thread over there.

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    Great job over there Ziggy

    Both Both kicked ass and I'm greatful that they could share their music with all of us. I don't know why anyone would think that to praise one means having to take anything from the other.

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    Man, if I ever want to write a psyche paper on people who are mentally stuck in their teens, or blind hero worship, that board will be a goldmine.

    It's funny because ,in a way, it's a time capsule. Many people forget and the younger crew don't know this but back in the day there were two camps. You had the "Randy" fans and you had the "Eddie" fans, they hated eachother. My brother was a Randyphile and would always be harping on Eddie's playing :" That's out of key!", "Why'd he do that?" and his favorite "That's just flash". My bro was a classically trained pianist, sort of a Fraiser Crane kind of guy. He liked Randy because "He does all that stuff Van Halen does but he stays within the key...blah, blah, blah..". The thing that freaked him out was that I loved both Randy and Eddie and he couldn't reconcile that, "Dude, I see ears on your head, WTF?".

    At the end of the day, if you listened to the Randyphiles, and I mean really listened closely, you'd hear the real problem they had with Eddie wasn't his playing....it was Dave. As a Van Halen fan, I had no problem with Dave because he was a rock singer who stood out and was himself - warts and all. I also liked Dave because he didn't sing in falcetto or try to be Robert Plant. Thing is, back in those days, if someone had a problem with Van Halen it was usually with Dave ( what pisses me off today is that these same people are the ones demanding Dave get back with the band). I suppose that the few people who weren't into Randy probably had a problem with Ozzy for the same reasons. One thing you heard a lot back then was "I wish I could get my hands on those Quiet Riot albums", we wondered what Randy was like with someone else singing.

    Hey, someone should call up Dave and get him to tell a Randy Rhoads story.
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    So THAT's what's wrong with me.

    Wow. Who knew??

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    I don't get why some people say Randy's playing was much more melodic than Eddie's when they're comparing these two players.

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    Lol... 14 year old thread about a dude that's been dead 38 years pops up...

    Overall I feel Ed was more natural musical talent, Randy's playing was more structured... That said, "Diary of a Madman" is a top 5 guitar album of all time for me. Top 5 album period.

    I love the story about Randy and Eddie running into each other in a record store and Randy was buying Fair Warning, and Eddie was buying Diary of a Madman. No idea if it's true, but if it is, that's like the most amazing moment in the history of guitar!

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    I think Randy was also a natural talent, he just had a different approach.

    If you listen to some of the little overdubs and musical ad libs in things like "Over
    the mountain" and "Diary," he was incredibly musical & creative.
    His ideas were so good.

    Ed had that "Off the cuff", Randy had structure, yet both could be in the moment,
    and just cut loose.

    There was an audio lesson of Randy teaching a student some basic licks.
    The student was shown some short pentatonic things & bending.

    I just remember, even with the rudiments, Randy played it with such
    conviction.
    He just had great tone in his hands, like Ed.

    Here's an ordinary guy playing a cliched blues lick.
    Now, here's Ed & Randy playing said lick.

    You just hear, immediately, why they are the pros.
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    I am not sure if this is the lesson you speak of but its just him soloing over some guy he was teaching bass. Obviously he probably never thought it would be on the internet. He is just wanking off a bit while the guy is keeping time like Meg White



    Nobody is better. Eddie certainly was more innovative but Randy wasn't a slouch. They both were or are great

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    I'm sure Eddie has mellowed since the early 80s when he made most of his comments about Randy Rhoads. Back then, Eddie was a cocky hotshot gunslinger and just about everyone on the planet was telling him he was the greatest guitar player ever. I don't care how well grounded you are, that's going to seep into your head after a while. I definitely prefer Eddie, but Randy was no slouch. I just like Eddie's "hey let's see if this works and hope I land on my feet" style of playing a little more.

    It just really sucks that we will never hear what Randy would've come up with. The same goes for Stevie Ray Vaughan.
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    Randy is one of my favorite guitar players. To my ears.... I enjoy Eddies rhythm playing better. Really no one to me has created " the wall of sound " that Eddie produces in his songs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    I am not sure if this is the lesson you speak of but its just him soloing over some guy he was teaching bass. Obviously he probably never thought it would be on the internet. He is just wanking off a bit while the guy is keeping time like Meg White



    Nobody is better. Eddie certainly was more innovative but Randy wasn't a slouch. They both were or are great
    A M A Z I N G

    Anyone else even close to playing the blues with this much ferocity in the late 70's? Rory Gallagher, Roy Buchanon, Johnny Winter, Albert King? Not the way that I remember it. I definitely hear some major influence from ED but Randy was already moving in another original direction.

    Thank you so much

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    I am not sure if this is the lesson you speak of but its just him soloing over some guy he was teaching bass. Obviously he probably never thought it would be on the internet. He is just wanking off a bit while the guy is keeping time like Meg White



    Nobody is better. Eddie certainly was more innovative but Randy wasn't a slouch. They both were or are great
    The one i had was a different one.

    It was him & what sounded like a beginner student, and he was teaching
    him a few "cliche" rock licks.

    The kid would try and play it back, but it wasn't easy for him.

    I just remember played them with such authority & tone, on his little amp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropped-d View Post
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    Anyone else even close to playing the blues with this much ferocity in the late 70's? Rory Gallagher, Roy Buchanon, Johnny Winter, Albert King? Not the way that I remember it. I definitely hear some major influence from ED but Randy was already moving in another original direction.

    Thank you so much

    Im sorry, but I’m not even sure how you can ask that question because the guys you mentioned were actually playing the blues and were blues players.

    They weren’t just playing and wanking out pentatonic runs as fast as they possibly could.

    This was just a guy warming up and wanking over some blues changes. I wouldnt say this is, “Randy playing the Blues.”

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