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    A 67-year-old man who says he doesn't even like watching movies has been sued by the film industry for copyright infringement after a grandson of his downloaded four movies on their home computer.

    The Motion Picture Association of America filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday against Fred Lawrence of Racine, seeking as much as $600,000 in damages for downloading four movies over the Internet file-sharing service iMesh.

    The suit was filed after Lawrence refused a March offer to settle the matter by paying $4,000.

    "First of all, like I say, I guess I'd have to plead being naive about the whole thing," he said.

    "I personally didn't do it, and I wouldn't do it. But I don't think it was anything but an innocent mistake my grandson made."

    Lawrence said his grandson, who was then 12, downloaded "The Incredibles," "I, Robot," "The Grudge," and "The Forgotten" in December, without knowing it was illegal to do so.

    The Racine man said his grandson downloaded the movies out of curiosity, and deleted the computer files immediately. The family already owned three of the four titles on DVD, he said.

    "I can see where they wouldn't want this to happen, but when you get up around $4,000 ... I don't have that kind of money," Lawrence said. "I never was and never will be a wealthy person."

    Kori Bernards, vice president of corporate communications for MPAA, said the movie industry wants people to understand the consequences of Internet piracy. She said the problem is the movies that were downloaded were then available to thousands of other users on the iMesh network.

    "Basically what you are doing when you use peer-to-peer software is you are offering someone else's product that they own to thousands of other people for free, and it's not fair," Bernards said.

    Illegal downloading costs the movie industry an estimated $5.4 billion a year, she said.
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    Wow, the MPAA is quite impressive going after the little people. Fuck em...I hope they lose the suit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod

    Illegal downloading costs the movie industry an estimated $5.4 billion a year, she said.
    Wow. That's a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pabs
    Wow, the MPAA is quite impressive going after the little people. Fuck em...I hope they lose the suit.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pabs
    Wow, the MPAA is quite impressive going after the little people. Fuck em...I hope they lose the suit.
    Hey, nail them all if that is what it takes for people to realize that the stuff ain't "yours" if you didn't pay for it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SactoFan
    Hey, nail them all if that is what it takes for people to realize that the stuff ain't "yours" if you didn't pay for it...
    exactly.


    seriously:
    but, how do the people find out if you had downloaded it or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod
    The family already owned three of the four titles on DVD, he said.
    then what's the problem? copyright law says you are allowed to have a backup of your CD/DVD...far as i know, it doesn't limit how you get that backup.


    Illegal downloading costs the movie industry an estimated $5.4 billion a year.
    how much are they losing by making shitty remakes? the movie industry is getting as bad as the music industry...quit putting out garbage!
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    Quote Originally Posted by avhevhmashdlr
    exactly.


    seriously:
    but, how do the people find out if you had downloaded it or not?

    Seems like a "sting". If it is peer to peer wouldn't someone (movie studio, etc.) be "offering" the movie online for download otherwise how would they know? Pretty shitty if true. If that is the case then they themselves help spread their movies to the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SactoFan
    Hey, nail them all if that is what it takes for people to realize that the stuff ain't "yours" if you didn't pay for it...
    Oh I know, I'm not defending the kid. But he's 12. Slap him on the wrist, or community service.

    Trying to sue the old man for everything isn't the way to go. Makes me wish that more people stole from them.

    It's twisted logic, but I think these organizations have bigger fish to fry, they just choose to go after the little guys (sometimes). Consistency is key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pabs
    Oh I know, I'm not defending the kid. But he's 12. Slap him on the wrist, or community service.

    Trying to sue the old man for everything isn't the way to go. Makes me wish that more people stole from them.

    It's twisted logic, but I think these organizations have bigger fish to fry, they just choose to go after the little guys (sometimes). Consistency is key.
    I'd say ignoring little fish is how little fish grow up to become big fish...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pabs
    Wow, the MPAA is quite impressive going after the little people. Fuck em...I hope they lose the suit.
    I feel the same way. I don't download movies, but I could care less if the movie industry loses some money, they make a fortune anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SactoFan
    I'd say ignoring little fish is how little fish grow up to become big fish...
    That gotta be the best quote I've come across on here. Could easily be a headline of some corporative movie (which I would download with no regret )


    On a serious note, I don't believe those negative numbers really. Downloading has been the best promotion for the bands in the last few years, if a person likes an album he or she would go and buy it despite having it somehwere in mp3s. Otherwise that person wouldn't buy it anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeRose
    I feel the same way. I don't download movies, but I could care less if the movie industry loses some money, they make a fortune anyway.

    So, when you have a good year or two, I'll come rip you off and it's all good, yes?
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    The kid did it...he should get some kind of punishment, but the grandparent did not do anything wrong. If you agree that the grandparent should have something done to him legally, then you're an asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod
    A 67-year-old man who says he doesn't even like watching movies has been sued by the film industry for copyright infringement after a grandson of his downloaded four movies on their home computer.

    The Motion Picture Association of America filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday against Fred Lawrence of Racine, seeking as much as $600,000 in damages for downloading four movies over the Internet file-sharing service iMesh.

    The suit was filed after Lawrence refused a March offer to settle the matter by paying $4,000.

    "First of all, like I say, I guess I'd have to plead being naive about the whole thing," he said.

    "I personally didn't do it, and I wouldn't do it. But I don't think it was anything but an innocent mistake my grandson made."

    Lawrence said his grandson, who was then 12, downloaded "The Incredibles," "I, Robot," "The Grudge," and "The Forgotten" in December, without knowing it was illegal to do so.

    The Racine man said his grandson downloaded the movies out of curiosity, and deleted the computer files immediately. The family already owned three of the four titles on DVD, he said.

    "I can see where they wouldn't want this to happen, but when you get up around $4,000 ... I don't have that kind of money," Lawrence said. "I never was and never will be a wealthy person."

    Kori Bernards, vice president of corporate communications for MPAA, said the movie industry wants people to understand the consequences of Internet piracy. She said the problem is the movies that were downloaded were then available to thousands of other users on the iMesh network.

    "Basically what you are doing when you use peer-to-peer software is you are offering someone else's product that they own to thousands of other people for free, and it's not fair," Bernards said.

    Illegal downloading costs the movie industry an estimated $5.4 billion a year, she said.

    Bottom line: This guy has to learn how to deal with the ups and downs of having a Grandson.
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