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    Default Most giving cities and the stingiest cities (Katrina)

    The Stingiest City In the U.S. Is...
    ...Hartford, Connecticut. And the most generous is Salt Lake City, Utah.

    That's the word from The Chronicle of Philanthropy, which has ranked the top 10 most generous and least generous U.S. metropolitan areas based on the percentage of discretionary income that residents give to charity. Hartford residents give away just 4.7 percent of their discretionary cash, compared with Salt Lake City residents who donate a whopping 14.9 percent.

    The top 10 stingiest cities:
    1. Hartford, Connecticut: 4.7 percent
    2. Providence-Fall River-Warwick, Rhode Island: 5.1 percent
    3. Boston-Worcester-Lawrence, Massachusetts: 5.2 percent
    4. Buffalo-Niagara Falls, New York: 5.8 percent
    5. (tie) New Orleans, Louisiana: 5.9 percent
    5. (tie) Las Vegas, Nevada: 5.9 percent
    7. Austin-San Marcos, Texas: 6.0 percent
    8. (tie) Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania: 6.1 percent
    8. (tie) Miami-Ft. Lauderdale, Florida: 6.1 percent
    8. (tie) Philadelphia-Wilmington, Delaware-Atlantic City, New Jersey: 6.1 percent

    The top 10 most generous cities:
    1. Salt Lake City-Ogden, Utah: 14.9 percent
    2. Grand Rapids-Muskegon-Holland, Michigan: 10 percent
    3. (tie) Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota: 8.5 percent
    3. (tie) Greensboro-Winston-Salem-High Point, North Carolina: 8.5 percent
    5. (tie) Memphis, Tennessee: 8.4 percent
    5. (tie) Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas: 8.4 percent
    7. Nashville, Tennessee: 8.3 percent
    8. (tie) San Antonio, Texas: 8.1 percent
    8. (tie) Houston-Galveston-Brazoria, Texas: 8.1 percent
    10. (tie) Oklahoma City, Oklahoma: 8 percent
    10. (tie) Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, Virginia: 8 percent

    To come up with these lists, The Chronicle of Philanthropy analyzed 1997 tax returns for households earning more than $50,000 a year that itemized deductions, including charity donations, reports The Associated Press. To determine the amount of discretionary income, the researchers deducted food, taxes, and other basic living costs from total incomes. It from this number that the percentage of charitable donations was calculated.

    For the Salt Lake City-Ogden region, discretionary income was figured at $39,345 per household. At 14.9 percent, that means Salt Lake families give away $5,862 annually. Most of the charitable giving in Utah is donated to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the form of tithing. Nationwide, more than $3 of every $4 donated was given to houses of worship and religious causes, the study found.

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    Pardon the french, but this is fucking idiotic .

    "Giving" measured by money...what of the countless firefighters, paramedics, doctors, police, veterenarians, truck drivers, college students...shit anyone from neighboring (or not so neighboring) states that donated their time trying to aid folk they did not even know, many traveling at their own expense?

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    Not only that, but who's the idiot proofreader who allowed New Orleans to slide by on the "stingy" list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007
    Not only that, but who's the idiot proofreader who allowed New Orleans to slide by on the "stingy" list?
    Yeah, but hey they tied with Vegas, baby. Vegas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007
    Not only that, but who's the idiot proofreader who allowed New Orleans to slide by on the "stingy" list?
    This is funny has hell. New Orleans was Stingy, after the fact of Katrina. I wonder, what was New Orleans suppose to give back to people??? Free drinks on Burbon Street???? <---( which wouldn't be a bad thing...)

    This is a pointless POLE!!!

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    This pole is pretty pointless if all they counted was money donations. So many people gave much more then money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeoHalen
    This pole is pretty pointless if all they counted was money donations. So many people gave much more then money.
    Exactly. I hate giving money because too many organizations use it for management. However, I donate tons to food drives, angel trees thru church for xmas, clothes, baby toys, school supplies, etc. We just did a backpack w/school supplies drive thru school for Katrina kids. This is a very narrow view.

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    I would doubt the poll used recent enough data to include Katrina. They used tax records, which aren't available yet for 2005. So stop with the New Orleans stuff.

    Also, while I don't know, I would be comfortable assuming (uh, oh, there's that word!) that the giving of time will correlate pretty closely with the giving of money. I think it's unlikely that a city that donates 6% of it's income would donate so much time that it would jump above a city donating 7%, for instance. In the same manner, I doubt that those living in Salt Lake City don't donate a ton of time too. But what do you expect in a city built by and for a religion, LOL. All the money donated to the church counts.

    We're dealing with large populations, and giving is an attitude that permeates and builds on itself. Those without the money to give will give time, those without time will give money. Measuring one will probably get you a decent, but admittedly not perfect, reading on the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IED
    I would doubt the poll used recent enough data to include Katrina. They used tax records, which aren't available yet for 2005. So stop with the New Orleans stuff.

    Also, while I don't know, I would be comfortable assuming (uh, oh, there's that word!) that the giving of time will correlate pretty closely with the giving of money. I think it's unlikely that a city that donates 6% of it's income would donate so much time that it would jump above a city donating 7%, for instance. In the same manner, I doubt that those living in Salt Lake City don't donate a ton of time too. But what do you expect in a city built by and for a religion, LOL. All the money donated to the church counts.

    We're dealing with large populations, and giving is an attitude that permeates and builds on itself. Those without the money to give will give time, those without time will give money. Measuring one will probably get you a decent, but admittedly not perfect, reading on the other.

    Agreed...yet, to point out the obvious (now that I've settled down) did anyone notice that this "thing" we all just read said nothing about "Katrina"?

    Only the poster put that in, in the title of the thread.

    Nice job, Hot'lantadoofus1981.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveevhsince79
    Exactly. I hate giving money because too many organizations use it for management. However, I donate tons to food drives, angel trees thru church for xmas, clothes, baby toys, school supplies, etc. We just did a backpack w/school supplies drive thru school for Katrina kids. This is a very narrow view.
    And not to down, "Louisiana Gov't" to much, but sending money straight to Louisiana is NEVER a good thing. Why??? Because these crooked assholes down here, (Lawyers, Congressman, Senators..etc) will make damn sure that their pocketbooks get filled first, before they give it to the one's who really need it. THIS IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Louisiana politics are a joke. Always have been, always will be. Want more, read stories on Huey P. Long, and Edwin Edwards. Biggest thiefs this country has ever seen. And as far as being totally stupid, you can add Gov. Blanco to this list, as well. And as for the Mayor of New Orleans...........his actions speak for themselves.

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    As someone who lives close to Hartford and works in Hartford, maybe they should check how much is given to the United Way each year. The company I work for (St. Paul Travelers) gives away an unbelievable amount of money each year.

    That list make everyone seem cheap. Of course, it doesn't say how much time is volunteered to various groups. You can't quantifiy that on your tax return.

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    They aren't looking at corporate giving, but are looking at individual tax returns and comparing earnings to amount deducted for giving. So the United Way stuff is in there, since individuals typically have pay deductions that will show up when taxes are filed.

    Also factor in, for Hartford specifically, that you have a lot of insurance companies with a lot of younger employees that give to United Way (they pretty much hold a gun to your head to donate) but don't show up on this survey since they don't make more than $50k and/or don't itemize.

    Or, let's face it, New England is a cold, stingy place. It's no accident that we have multiple entries at the bottom of the pile, LOL.

    What would be a more valuable stat is to also factor in cost of living. I'd like to see how 5% in Boston stacks up to 8% in Dallas when cost of living is factored in. Is Boston 3% more expensive than Dallas? Probably. $50k in Boston and you struggle to live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig
    Agreed...yet, to point out the obvious (now that I've settled down) did anyone notice that this "thing" we all just read said nothing about "Katrina"?

    Only the poster put that in, in the title of the thread.
    Not to mention that the source of this information is 1997 tax returns. The title should say "Stingiest City 8 Years Ago..."


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    Yes, these figures are old news and yes, people do give in other ways than donating money, but it's still sad to see that the richest nation on earth can only muster up two cities contributing 10% or more of DISCRETIONARY income to charitable causes.

    In a country driven by materialism, philanthropy will always finish a distant 2nd to that insatiable urge to get the latest electronic gadget or spiffy new SUV. Probably every one on this board, myself included, could give more to charity, but being truly selfless requires requires greater personal sacrifices we're simply not willing to make.

    FYI - I'm not criticizing anyone here personally. It's more a commentary on how sad it is that we as a race have evolved to the point where 'things' take precedence over people or our planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Halen
    And not to down, "Louisiana Gov't" to much, but sending money straight to Louisiana is NEVER a good thing. Why??? Because these crooked assholes down here, (Lawyers, Congressman, Senators..etc) will make damn sure that their pocketbooks get filled first, before they give it to the one's who really need it. THIS IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Your words are pretty much in the same line as my fiancee's Dad's friend, who lives just north of New Orleans.

    Also, this was based on tax returns from 1997, long before hurricane Katrina. Maybe the people of New Orleans are stingy because they know that their money is lining the upper crusts pockets instead of going where it's needed.
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