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    Default Draft US defense paper outlines preventive nuclear strikes

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    A new draft US defense paper calls for preventive nuclear strikes against state and non-state adversaries in order to deter them from using weapons of mass destruction and urges US troops to "prepare to use nuclear weapons effectively."

    The document, titled "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations" and dated March 15, was put together by the Pentagon's Joint Staff in at attempt to adapt current procedures to the fast-changing world after the September 11, 2001, attacks, said a defense official.

    But the official, who spoke to AFP late Saturday on condition of anonymity, said it has not yet been signed by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and thus has not been made official policy.

    "It's in the process of being considered," the official said.

    A copy of the draft obtained by AFP urges US theater force commanders operating around the world to prepare specific plans for using nuclear weapons in their regions -- and outlines scenarios, under which it would be justified to seek presidential approval for a nuclear strike.

    They include an adversary using or planning to use weapons of mass destruction against US or allied forces as well as civilian populations.

    Preventive nuclear strikes could also be employed to destroy a biological weapons arsenal belonging to an enemy, if there is no possibility to take it out with conventional weapons and it is determined the enemy is poised for a biological attack, according to the draft.

    They could also be seen as justified to destroy deep, hardened bunkers containing enemy chemical or biological weapons or the command and control infrastructure required to execute a chemical, biological or nuclear attack.

    However, a number of scenarios allow nuclear strikes without enemy weapons of mass destruction in the equation.

    They could be used, for instance, to counter potentially overwhelming conventional adversaries, to secure a rapid end of a war on US terms, or simply "to ensure success of US and multinational operations," the document indicates.

    In the context of the US-led "war on terror", the draft explicitly warns that any attempt by a hostile power to hand over weapons of mass destruction to militant groups to enable them to strike a devastating blow against the United States will likely trigger a US nuclear response against the culprit.

    Regional US commanders may request presidential approval to go nuclear "to respond to adversary-supplied WMD use by surrogates against US and multinational forces or civilian populations," the draft says.

    The doctrine also gives the Pentagon the green light to deploy nuclear weapons to parts of the world where their future use is considered the most likely and urges troops to constantly train for nuclear warfare.

    "To maximize deterrence of WMD use, it is essential US forces prepare to use nuclear weapons effectively and that US forces are determined to employ nuclear weapons if necessary to prevent or retaliate against WMD use," the document states.

    The doctrine surfaced after the US Congress moved over the past several months to revive a controversial weapons research program aimed at enabling the US military to conduct precision nuclear strikes against hardened underground facilities.

    In separate measures, both the Senate and the House of Representatives approved four million dollars for fiscal 2006 to study the feasibility of the so-called Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, also known as the "bunker-buster" bomb, a program that was interrupted last year under intense international and domestic criticism.

    Moreover, under the 2002 Moscow Treaty, the United States will be able to retain up to 2,200 operationally deployed strategic nuclear warheads all the way through 2012.

    The doctrine reminds that while first use of nuclear weapons may draw condemnation, "no customary or conventional international law prohibits nations from employing nuclear weapons in armed conflict."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen

    "It is what it is." "I don't deal in 'what-ifs.'" "Accept that which you cannot change." These are the notions of a people who have given up on imagining a better existence, who have forsaken the future for a patchwork present. It's truly disheartening to find again and again proof positive that as a race we assuredly will require a giant kick in the ass before beginning a course of proaction rather than reaction.
    I like that quote, Van Squalin. I find myself guilty of that thought pattern more and more lately.

    It ain't gonna change. You know why? Because it is HUMAN NATURE to battle for power and dominance. Isn't that one constant that history has shown us?

    And as much as I'd like it to change, as much as we'd ALL like it to change, I doubt it'd ever be enough.

    Just pesimistic, I guess.
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    Default yes, it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen
    Goddamn, that's a great flick.
    but the book is better.

    "Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption" by Stephen King. most fans of the movie are surprised to learn it's based on a book by the king of ghoul, Stephen King.

    same with the Green Mile, another great read by King converted to a screen play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousDooDoo
    but the book is better.

    "Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption" by Stephen King. most fans of the movie are surprised to learn it's based on a book by the king of ghoul, Stephen King.

    same with the Green Mile, another great read by King converted to a screen play.

    Preachin' to the choir, bud. King is a sorely underrated novelist; most folks think he's a schlock horror scribe, when in fact he crafts some jim dandy literary fiction.

    Most of his translated tales to screen have dissapointed me, even The Shining with Jack Nicholson. The TV versions of The Stand and The Langoliers were appalling. Your two citations (Green Mile and Shawshank) are among the better ones. Stand By Me (originally The Body), is easily the best to date of one of King's works on the screen.

    Different Seasons kicks ass (holds both The Body and Shawshank in its collection). King's short story collections mostly rock. The Breathing Method? Gnarly. The Jaunt from Skeleton Crew? Harrowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousDooDoo
    but the book is better.

    "Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption" by Stephen King.
    Surprisingly, I like the movie better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen
    Preachin' to the choir, bud. King is a sorely underrated novelist; most folks think he's a schlock horror scribe, when in fact he crafts some jim dandy literary fiction.

    Most of his translated tales to screen have dissapointed me, even The Shining with Jack Nicholson. The TV versions of The Stand and The Langoliers were appalling. Your two citations (Green Mile and Shawshank) are among the better ones. Stand By Me (originally The Body), is easily the best to date of one of King's works on the screen.

    Different Seasons kicks ass (holds both The Body and Shawshank in its collection). King's short story collections mostly rock. The Breathing Method? Gnarly. The Jaunt from Skeleton Crew? Harrowing.
    I started a King thread a while back. Maybe it was lost in the hack, or maybe I'll try to dig it up. But nobody was really posting in it with me....

    RH and Shawshank is great, but I got bogged down in The Breathing Method, and Apt Pupil
    "Suck a fat one, faggot."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Squalen
    Preachin' to the choir, bud. King is a sorely underrated novelist; most folks think he's a schlock horror scribe, when in fact he crafts some jim dandy literary fiction.

    Most of his translated tales to screen have dissapointed me, even The Shining with Jack Nicholson. The TV versions of The Stand and The Langoliers were appalling. Your two citations (Green Mile and Shawshank) are among the better ones. Stand By Me (originally The Body), is easily the best to date of one of King's works on the screen.

    Different Seasons kicks ass (holds both The Body and Shawshank in its collection). King's short story collections mostly rock. The Breathing Method? Gnarly. The Jaunt from Skeleton Crew? Harrowing.
    King is a very underrated author, which is a shame.

    but, some of it is deserved, in one sense: it's hard to take his ghoul genre too seriously.

    if i were his editor, i'd challenge him to author more serious work in the vein of Redemption and Mile. those two stories deal with issues a little more intellectually challenging than those of say Christine or the Tommyknockers.

    incidentally, i couldn't agree more with you concerning your estimate of the majority of the King screenplays. the Stand was an abomination.

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    it almost seems like it's inevitable ..that is, the use of nukes, in one way or another..
    what would be interesting is that iwas born in 1964. Nukes were used in 1946, but the cold war that surrounded the whole nuke craze was in my lifetime. of course, its entirely possible that nukes aren't used at all in my lifetime, which i would consider an interesting irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousDooDoo
    King is a very underrated author, which is a shame.

    but, some of it is deserved, in one sense: it's hard to take his ghoul genre too seriously.

    if i were his editor, i'd challenge him to author more serious work in the vein of Redemption and Mile. those two stories deal with issues a little more intellectually challenging than those of say Christine or the Tommyknockers.
    Yeah. He has indeed produced some total crap. Then again, he has written some of the best stuff ever in the 'ghoul' genre

    The Shining, The Stand, It...WOW. Those hold up with even his best stuff intellectually.
    "Suck a fat one, faggot."
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    "You may recognize some of these chemicals. Let's start with cyanide...The one the Aum Shinrikyo cult attempted to use to commit mass murder in a Tokyo subway in May 1995...The same cyanide produced routinely--1.4 million tons per year--for use in the production of plastics, adhesives, cosmetics, pharmaceuticals, and so on. It seems that those who put small amounts of cyanide in subways are terrorists. But those who produce it in mass quantities and contaminate broad reaches of soil, water, and air, killing countless living beings, are not terrorists, but rather capitalists, and are counted among the finest and most powerful people on the planet."

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    this is just too strange. There is two completely different discussions going on in this thread. One about nuclear policy and the other on the works of stephan king......and it sucks nads.
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    Speaking of nukes, the shawshankredemption is one of the most powerful novels ever written, and lucky for us, was a successful transition to screen. In my top 10 of all time films.
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