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    Default 95,04, What a difference.

    I saw VH in 04 in Edmonton, and i was pretty impressed. I hadn't seen them since the 5150 tour. I've followed in here that the rest of the shows varied throughout the tour.
    Back in 95, i had tickets for the "Balance" tour, but then my daughter was born and that rearranged my schedule.
    Anyhow, i've just watched the 95 Balance tour in Toronto, and i realize now what a great show i must have missed.
    It is easily the tightest of heard VH play live. MA is on his game,AVH is awesome, Sammy is showing signs of the good life and has put on a few pounds, but he still goes hard, and EVH looks and plays better than he ever has, and i suspect better than he ever will again.
    It's in his eyes. The sheer joy you can see of playing straight, and playing guitar as good as anyone ever has.
    In videos like RHRN, he has a bit of a lost (fucked up) look on his face.
    But he's all there in 95, and it makes me realize a few things.

    1) EVH has aged far more than 10 years, and i suspect that guy in the 95 video is gone.

    2) The 04 tour wasn't as good as i'd previously thought. But i still believe that it was one of the better shows with less than a month to go in that tour.

    3) Sammy looked very silly in the red pajamas he wore on stage that night. (Actually i realized that when i first saw him last year, but i haven't had the opportunity to bring it up.)

    4) My daughter grew far more in those 10 years than anyone in this band did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke
    I saw VH in 04 in Edmonton, and i was pretty impressed. I hadn't seen them since the 5150 tour. I've followed in here that the rest of the shows varied throughout the tour.
    Back in 95, i had tickets for the "Balance" tour, but then my daughter was born and that rearranged my schedule.
    Anyhow, i've just watched the 95 Balance tour in Toronto, and i realize now what a great show i must have missed.
    It is easily the tightest of heard VH play live. MA is on his game,AVH is awesome, Sammy is showing signs of the good life and has put on a few pounds, but he still goes hard, and EVH looks and plays better than he ever has, and i suspect better than he ever will again.
    It's in his eyes. The sheer joy you can see of playing straight, and playing guitar as good as anyone ever has.
    In videos like RHRN, he has a bit of a lost (fucked up) look on his face.
    But he's all there in 95, and it makes me realize a few things.

    1) EVH has aged far more than 10 years, and i suspect that guy in the 95 video is gone.

    2) The 04 tour wasn't as good as i'd previously thought. But i still believe that it was one of the better shows with less than a month to go in that tour.

    3) Sammy looked very silly in the red pajamas he wore on stage that night. (Actually i realized that when i first saw him last year, but i haven't had the opportunity to bring it up.)

    4) My daughter grew far more in those 10 years than anyone in this band did.
    I agree with everything you just said except the fact that Eddie i dont think played very well at all in the 'o4 tour. I think he was cocky and didnt try too hard, which effected his performance. I do think the Toronto 1995 show is the best VH show in their history.
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    yes...the t.o. show is freakin great....
    didn't ed have the bad hip too...

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    You guys are right. The Toronto show was GREAT.
    I actually have a whole bunch of 95 dvds and I have to say that Ed was real tight that whole tour. I mean his guitar was RAZOR freakin sharp and he never missed a note.
    I loved the Balance tour. He had that big majestic sound.
    I loved Seventh Seal on that tour.
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    people will laugh but i think ed's playing on the III tour was even better than the balance tour. ed was on even more then, than on the balance tour imo

    his playing sucked ass at times last tour, and at times he flashed his brilliance. his playing last tour was more inconsistent, so it depends on whether or not you caught him on a good or bad night. i saw all good shows on the west coast, and a couple even better than others.

    from boots i saw and heard on the III tour, i'd give ed a 9.5 even a 10 at times

    last tour i'd give him a 7

    he never did blow me away for an entire show, something was missing

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    Just for grins...

    ...take a peak at a 1998 vid with Gary. I know, I know... but try and put the vocals aside and LISTEN to the band. If memory serves me... they were just absolutely smokin' on 5-24-98 in Philly.

    Also, check out CD's from 7-3-98 San Diego and 9-2-98 Grand Rapids, MI... the three of them sounded untouchable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spanked55
    Just for grins...

    ...take a peak at a 1998 vid with Gary. I know, I know... but try and put the vocals aside and LISTEN to the band. If memory serves me... they were just absolutely smokin' on 5-24-98 in Philly.

    Also, check out CD's from 7-3-98 San Diego and 9-2-98 Grand Rapids, MI... the three of them sounded untouchable.
    I've heard good things about the III tour as well, and thanks i'll check these out.
    Not to turn this into a bash Ed thing but, it would seem his best playing in the post 1984 era is when he's sober. So if he's sober 95-98, when do we presume he fell off?
    I've stuck up for his 04 playing, but after seeing this 95 stuff...........
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    ed was the best before most of us saw him live.. just listen to shows from 75-77 if you can get them.. la grange, sweet emotion, eruption.. III tour stuff was at best OK by previous standards

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    Just another opinion, but I think the Toronto PPV is rather stale. Is VH a technically impressive band, absolutely. But the Toronto PPV shows that they just don't RAWK as much as they used to. The drop off in energy level at a VH show has dropped dramatically over the years.

    Just my two cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMJ
    people will laugh but i think ed's playing on the III tour was even better than the balance tour. ed was on even more then, than on the balance tour imo

    his playing sucked ass at times last tour, and at times he flashed his brilliance. his playing last tour was more inconsistent, so it depends on whether or not you caught him on a good or bad night. i saw all good shows on the west coast, and a couple even better than others.

    from boots i saw and heard on the III tour, i'd give ed a 9.5 even a 10 at times

    last tour i'd give him a 7

    he never did blow me away for an entire show, something was missing

    I would have to agree with you bro, regarding the playing on the III tour.

    I'm sorry, the 2004 deal was awful in comparison...now for those of you that have the 2004 show as your first live experience, spare me the grief, as I do not mean to pee in your collective corn flakes...but I've honestly seen better.

    Yet there is normally an inherrant "focus" to Ed's playing, and that was simply not present during last year's shows.

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    I have been a VH fan since 1984. I think Ed was smoking all those years for sure and I loved the Dave years. I also loved the Sammy years because that is when I was going through high school back in the mid 80s and those were the anthems of my day for sure.
    For some reason I LOVED the Balance tour. I think Eds playing was razor sharp then also because his hip was really bad then and he could not move around as much so he focussed on his guitar more than jumping around.
    But you know what too? You are right. I have a recording of the Jones Beach 98 show they did and DAMN was Ed tight that night. He was also jumping around and having fun and he SMOKED on his Wolfie that night. I remember Humans Being and Ed did this little riff at the end of the song (was hoping he would do it during the 04 tour but no luck) to give it some new life and he just was hitting the notes perfectly.
    The 98 tour was also a good tour for Eds playing I think. He evolved to a less processed sound again in that tour too. Its pretty impressive when you can take away effects and still smoke on guitar. Sometimes when you have a heavy processed sound with all kinds of harmonizer and compression etc. its easier to hide mistakes.
    I still think Ed can play this good he just chooses to wing it most of the time and step out and expiriment during his live show a little more than he used to.
    My 2 cents.
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    I don't think Ed was poor in 04 cuz he was drunk. He was poor at times cuz he was lazy & unprepared. Ed has often said he "never plays his old songs except in concert" so that means he didn't play the older stuff for a good 5 years (1999-2003) prior to rehearsals and thats where he messed up. If you listen to the 3 new songs live (well, 2 after they dropped LTS) he was almost perfect just about every show.

    When he played "Panama" for example, he almost sounded like he does when they used to jam out a cover tune they don't reherse; making up notes here, missing notes there. 04 was more of a "jam" tour for Ed and it showed.

    Now, the drinking/attitude is the reason we have no band right now but thats a whole different thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel
    Just another opinion, but I think the Toronto PPV is rather stale. Is VH a technically impressive band, absolutely. But the Toronto PPV shows that they just don't RAWK as much as they used to. The drop off in energy level at a VH show has dropped dramatically over the years.

    Just my two cents.

    I totally agree with you on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericjt
    I don't think Ed was poor in 04 cuz he was drunk. He was poor at times cuz he was lazy & unprepared. Ed has often said he "never plays his old songs except in concert" so that means he didn't play the older stuff for a good 5 years (1999-2003) prior to rehearsals and thats where he messed up. If you listen to the 3 new songs live (well, 2 after they dropped LTS) he was almost perfect just about every show.

    When he played "Panama" for example, he almost sounded like he does when they used to jam out a cover tune they don't reherse; making up notes here, missing notes there. 04 was more of a "jam" tour for Ed and it showed.

    Now, the drinking/attitude is the reason we have no band right now but thats a whole different thread.
    OK...how does one justify asking people to pay for an unprepared performance?

    Sorry, even children in 5th grade prepare for shows in elementary school.

    I'm sorry, I will not get on the bandwagon that apologises for "poor little Eddie Van Halen".

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    i think the toronto ppv was awesome! the band were tight tight tight! i never got the chance to see them last year live got lots of boots but ya cant really tell how good or bad he was over some shitty boots... god dammed i miss this band
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