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    Military Vehicle Illustrating New Combat Options

    A concept vehicle designed to illustrate potential technology options for improving survivability and mobility in future military combat vehicles will be shown publicly for the first time Sept. 13-15 at a military technology meeting in Virginia.

    The event, "Modern Day Marine Expo," will be held at the Marine Corps Air Facility in Quantico, Va.

    The concept vehicle, known as the ULTRA AP (Armored Patrol), was built to help the U.S. military evaluate multiple science and technology options including ballistic and mine protection that could benefit future vehicle design. The concept vehicle combines proven vehicle technologies with advanced materials and engineering concepts.

    Research and development for the ULTRA has been conducted by the Georgia Tech Research Institute (GTRI), which led a unique team of research engineers from both GTRI and the automotive industry. The research initiative has been sponsored by the Office of Naval Research (ONR).

    "By bringing together experienced commercial vehicle designers with experts in advanced materials and cutting-edge engineering, we are providing a test bed for evaluating technologies that can help the military develop true 'leap-ahead' concepts," said David Parekh, GTRI's deputy director. "By including persons with high-performance automotive engineering and NASCAR expertise as part of our team, we were able to root this advanced concepts project in real-world vehicle design."

    The ULTRA AP emphasizes high-output diesel power combined with advanced armor and a fully modern chassis. The design matches the best of modern commercial automotive technology with racing experience, explained Gary Caille, a GTRI principal research engineer.

    In the ULTRA AP, the GTRI/industry team has made improvements in two key areas by taking a systems approach to survivability and safety:

    Survivability: This factor involves a vehicle's ability to shield occupants from hostile action. The ULTRA AP will feature novel design concepts and research advances in lightweight and cost-effective armor to maximize capability and protection. The new armor was designed at GTRI in partnership with the Georgia Tech School of Materials Science and Engineering.

    The vehicle also incorporates a "blast bucket" designed to provide ballistic, blast and enhanced roll-over protection. New vehicle designs must incorporate dramatically increased resistance to explosions caused by mines and improvised explosive devices, Caille noted.

    Safety with Performance: The ULTRA design explored the use of on-board computers to integrate steering, suspension and brakes to provide an unparalleled level of mobility and safety, Caille added. The new vehicle's integrated chassis represents an advancement over the most advanced current production vehicles.

    The ULTRA AP project has been supported by the Office of Naval Research (ONR) as part of its mission of investigating and assessing new technologies for military use. By providing the ULTRA AP concept vehicle for the U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Army to study, ONR expects to spur innovative thinking and gather feedback on the ideas being demonstrated.

    In developing the ULTRA AP, GTRI brought together a group of industry professionals that included Scott Badenoch, an auto industry advanced development and racing professional; Tom Moore, former Chrysler vice president of Liberty Operations, the company's advanced engineering center; Walt Wynbelt, former program executive officer with the U.S. Army Tank Automotive and Armaments Command, and Dave McLellan, the former Corvette chief engineer for General Motors.

    The ULTRA project is linked directly to "e-safety," an emerging automotive concept that combines computers and advanced technologies to make driving safer, McLellan noted.

    In e-safety, night driving systems and stability control add security, while radar systems already available in Europe actually slow vehicles automatically under certain conditions.


    A concept vehicle designed to illustrate potential technology options for improving survivability and mobility in future military combat vehicles will be shown publicly for the first time Sept. 13-15 at a military technology meeting in Virginia.

    The event, "Modern Day Marine Expo," will be held at the Marine Corps Air Facility in Quantico, Va.

    The concept vehicle, known as the ULTRA AP (Armored Patrol), was built to help the U.S. military evaluate multiple science and technology options including ballistic and mine protection that could benefit future vehicle design. The concept vehicle combines proven vehicle technologies with advanced materials and engineering concepts.

    Research and development for the ULTRA has been conducted by the Georgia Tech Research Institute (GTRI), which led a unique team of research engineers from both GTRI and the automotive industry. The research initiative has been sponsored by the Office of Naval Research (ONR).

    "By bringing together experienced commercial vehicle designers with experts in advanced materials and cutting-edge engineering, we are providing a test bed for evaluating technologies that can help the military develop true 'leap-ahead' concepts," said David Parekh, GTRI's deputy director. "By including persons with high-performance automotive engineering and NASCAR expertise as part of our team, we were able to root this advanced concepts project in real-world vehicle design."

    The ULTRA AP emphasizes high-output diesel power combined with advanced armor and a fully modern chassis. The design matches the best of modern commercial automotive technology with racing experience, explained Gary Caille, a GTRI principal research engineer.

    In the ULTRA AP, the GTRI/industry team has made improvements in two key areas by taking a systems approach to survivability and safety:

    Survivability: This factor involves a vehicle's ability to shield occupants from hostile action. The ULTRA AP will feature novel design concepts and research advances in lightweight and cost-effective armor to maximize capability and protection. The new armor was designed at GTRI in partnership with the Georgia Tech School of Materials Science and Engineering.

    The vehicle also incorporates a "blast bucket" designed to provide ballistic, blast and enhanced roll-over protection. New vehicle designs must incorporate dramatically increased resistance to explosions caused by mines and improvised explosive devices, Caille noted.

    Safety with Performance: The ULTRA design explored the use of on-board computers to integrate steering, suspension and brakes to provide an unparalleled level of mobility and safety, Caille added. The new vehicle's integrated chassis represents an advancement over the most advanced current production vehicles.

    The ULTRA AP project has been supported by the Office of Naval Research (ONR) as part of its mission of investigating and assessing new technologies for military use. By providing the ULTRA AP concept vehicle for the U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Army to study, ONR expects to spur innovative thinking and gather feedback on the ideas being demonstrated.

    In developing the ULTRA AP, GTRI brought together a group of industry professionals that included Scott Badenoch, an auto industry advanced development and racing professional; Tom Moore, former Chrysler vice president of Liberty Operations, the company's advanced engineering center; Walt Wynbelt, former program executive officer with the U.S. Army Tank Automotive and Armaments Command, and Dave McLellan, the former Corvette chief engineer for General Motors.

    The ULTRA project is linked directly to "e-safety," an emerging automotive concept that combines computers and advanced technologies to make driving safer, McLellan noted.

    In e-safety, night driving systems and stability control add security, while radar systems already available in Europe actually slow vehicles automatically under certain conditions.

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    looks kinda dumb. Like somethin you would see in terminator or some sci-fi movie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Timmy
    Expect this to be in every soccer moms driveway in about one year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Timmy
    Expect this to be in every soccer moms driveway in about one year.
    Or the next flavour-of-the-month Rap video, but with 30" bling-bling wheels...
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    Nice to know we have enough money left over to design and build this kinda shit......
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    Great. Another army vehicle that doesn't float.

    Oh, and we need a light tank and we have to look at next-gen helicopters. The HummV -uparmored - is just fine.
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    Hummers with a bolt on package aren't just fine. It's pushing the chassis past its design--a field-expedient lash up because we didn't anticipate the need. Kinda sad, because that need first came to light in Bosnia.

    A light tank isn't exactly in demand. There's just no role for one. Too light to fight other tanks, too heavy to fight anything else. The M8 AGS was a fine piece of equipment, but when it came down to it the system was a luxury rather than a need. A year or so ago the contractor was asked to prepare the remaining prototypes for use in Iraq. No idea if they ever managed to get them refurbished and shipped, but I haven't heard anything of it since. You'd think that if it had been employed the airborne mafia would have made a big stink about it.

    For whatever it's worth, a patrol vehicle really is what we need right now. Strykers aren't ideal for that. We've become an army of occupation, and it's not at all surprising to discover that we're not entirely well equipped for that task. If this is something that our troops need and that will make them safer and more effective in their de facto role, then I'm all for it. Of course, it won't be procured until we no longer need it, but that's a whole other problem.

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    We need something to replace the Sheridon, something fast and light that can tear up cities. The M1 is the best tank-on-tank fighter in the biz but you can't take it everywhere and it won't go down narrow alleys. We need a small tank frame that we can swap out weapon systems with, you know, Pimafyable. We need a MOUT-mobile, something that can even be remotely operated in a pinch and whip down narrow streets with 40mm HE rounds with a 203 launcher, that could be swapped out with a single cannon or a turret with a Vulcan or other goodies.

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    A light tank would be the last thing I'd want to have in an urban environment. There aren't many inbetweens in that sort of setting. TUSK is nice, but you've still got that long barrel and an inability to make use of the weapon. The lesson that has always come out of tanks in MOUT is that tanks suffer there. HAPCs are a much better approach. Have a look at what the Israelis and Jordanians have done.

    Sheridans needed to go. The reason why their replacement wasn't fielded is that light tanks simply aren't effective. There's no role for them anymore.

    Our development cycles are too long, and we're not terribly good at anticipating our future needs. In that sense, it is a lot like 1944. We didn't have a clear concept on what we needed, and the doctrines that we imagined we'd be implementing are far different than those that we're executing. If the folks in charge can get a vehicle that's needed fielded quickly enough so that the need still exists when it's in service, I'll be impressed. They're working hard towards that end on some different projects, and it's good to see a bit of agility in the process.

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    The Sheridans were essential in the early hours of Operation Just Cause, where they were used to clear barricades and roadblocks durring the initial assault on the Commandoncia. The Sheridans also made for great instant roadblocks when we needed to head off escaping vehicles. Sure it's a small tank but it's a tank none the less.

    The Army needs to look at a modular weapons system based on a light tank frame. Engine and armor technology continue to advance and the Army could explore these advances cheaply with a light tank. The French and other European countries have light tanks that are effective, the fact that we are hanging everything on the M1 shows a dangerous shortsightedness. The M1 is the best tank in the world, this has been proven twice now but it can't do everything and isn't needed everywhere. I don't think the best idea is to stick a variety of weapons on our various APCs (Bradleys and Strikers) as we do now. A 21st century light tank would be low profile and have the option of unmanned operation to reduce the threat to the crew, plus it would be fast. The Striker is fast, but it's big and it doesn't shoot anything cool.
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    It's Stryker, not Striker.

    One could easily say that the M3s in the Philippines were essential to our troops holding out as long as they did in 1942, but that doesn't demonstrate a need or role for a light tank now, either.

    What you're talking about with modular armor has been done with the M8 AGS. Great little (relatively) vehicle that nobody could justify purchasing. The French and other Europeans? I'm not 100% sure, but I'd be willing to bet that there isn't a single AMX-13 left in French service. It dates from the 1950s, and has no place on the modern battlefield--any modern battlefield. The Germans have their Wiesel, but that's more of a tracked weapons platform than a tank in any meaningful sense of the word. It weighs 6,000lbs... tracks does not a tank make, eh?

    There's hasn't been light tank introduced since the Scimitar in the 1970s. I don't believe it, or the Scorpion it was derived from, are in service with any modern army any longer. About the closest you'll come is the 105mm armed CV90, but that's described as being a tank destroyer--which is rather ambitious.

    The Army has been struggling with the FCS concept for quite a long time. When the Fulda Gap scenario went off the books, all of the long-term planning that had been based on it went out the window. The only thing they know is that they want it to be smaller than today's MBTs, and to have a significantly reduced crew and logistical tail. There's quite a bit of resistance to reducing the crew beyond three, and even three is quite rightly criticized by those that have been there and done that.

    Part of the problem revolves around the fact that new weapons technologies are near at hand. Rail guns and particularly active defenses will shape future AFVs. If the Army commits too early to an FCS concept that doesn't incorporate these, they'll have shot their wad and be stuck with something that isn't up to par. If they wait... well, the M1 is going to be it. I'd wager it'll still be our primary platform until 2020, as surprising as that would be even as of five years ago.

    The odds of spending any money (and any tank, light or otherwise takes gobs of it) to develop some vehicle of marginal utility born out of sentiment aren't real high. If they wanted to get serious about MOUT, they'd take what is left of the M60 fleet and create HAPCs out of them. Those armies in the world that have fought in MOUT and expect to do so again are doing that with old MBTs, because that is the type of vehicle that is effective in an urban environment.

 

 

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