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    Someone recently told me that Roth made a ton of money in 2004 because VH played several of the old songs that he helped write. I am curious if anyone out there (and I'm sure there is) knows and can share how the royalties framework is typically set up. I thought Royalties were only paid on material that is released in recorded form, not on live performances.

    I'm not looking to start a thread of speculation...I'd like to hear from someone who actually KNOWS how this works. Perhaps 9 is familiar with it? Brett? Anyone?
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    I don't believe royalties are paid from playing songs live. I think that only happens when songs are broadcast, or sold (which can happen in conjunction with a live show, obviously). Dave probably made some cash from the sales of BOBW.

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    Royalties ARE also paid for live performances. And in a tier system for the income of a gig. VH was charging ridiculous prices for their shows, hence probably the top of the tier for payouts. Right down to the smallest clubs, royalties are paid for the performance of live material (to the 3 major mechanical rights organizations, BMI/ASCAP/SESAC, and usually in a group dispersal type payment) by the owners of the club.
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    A friend who owns a bar was recently visited by an ASCAP rep for not paying his yearly ASCAP fees. Any establishment that has live music (cover songs played) , HAS to pay ASCAP a yearly fee. If memory serves me right, it was about $1500 per year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blfrd
    A friend who owns a bar was recently visited by an ASCAP rep for not paying his yearly ASCAP fees. Any establishment that has live music (cover songs played) , HAS to pay ASCAP a yearly fee. If memory serves me right, it was about $1500 per year.

    Strip clubs pay too! I wonder how they can afford it?

    If it is $1500, and I do believe that is about right, figure a bar that has 2 nights of live music and plays an average of 20 songs per night, and just say 50 weeks per year,comes to 2000 songs played. That's cheaper than Itunes! The music industry is so screwed!

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    Thanks for the info...for anyone interested, this guy wrote a pretty good article on the topic.

    http://www.woodpecker.com/writing/es...-politics.html
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    Here's another excellent article from Steve Albini on how much a statndard record contracts suck:

    http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

    It's shocking how little a new artist who sells a million records will get paid.

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    Dave absolutely got money from the tour, for the old songs the band played.

    And yes, clubs are required to pay ASCAP fees for all of us who have gone in there and thrown out even one cover tune in a set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett
    Dave absolutely got money from the tour, for the old songs the band played.

    And yes, clubs are required to pay ASCAP fees for all of us who have gone in there and thrown out even one cover tune in a set.
    I thought that if a performer was one of the people who originally wrote the songs, they didn't have to pay anyone else to play it live.

    'Cause that would mean Dave is paying out some serious bucks to the other guys for every show he plays, especially since he plays nearly exclusively VH songs.

    Now is Dave was the only one who was credited for writing the old tunes, then he'd obviously get paid.
    But they all are listed on the credits, and I thought that meant that all four of them could start their own band and play VH tunes, and not pay anything to anyone.
    If not, then that means that Dave has been getting paid for every tour since he's been gone. And Sammy too, in 1998.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacfanweb
    I thought that if a performer was one of the people who originally wrote the songs, they didn't have to pay anyone else to play it live.

    'Cause that would mean Dave is paying out some serious bucks to the other guys for every show he plays, especially since he plays nearly exclusively VH songs.

    Now is Dave was the only one who was credited for writing the old tunes, then he'd obviously get paid.
    But they all are listed on the credits, and I thought that meant that all four of them could start their own band and play VH tunes, and not pay anything to anyone.
    If not, then that means that Dave has been getting paid for every tour since he's been gone. And Sammy too, in 1998.
    That's my way of thinking as well. A band can do any song it wishes during a live performance with no financial obligations to the songwriters. If a band wishes to commercially release someone else's song(s) the orginal songwriter(s) must be compensated. Taking it one step further I believe they must even receive permission before being able to record someone else's music.

    At least I'm pretty sure that's the way it is.

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