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    Holdsworth's influence on Ed is well known. Is there any specific Holdsworth album/track that Ed has made reference to that he dug?

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    Ed says that Holdsworth's work with Brand X stood out.

    There was a re-release of Brand X under Bill Bruford, I think it's a "Best Of.."
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    I kinda think that Ed digs him more than he was a big influence.

    Ed doesn't really seem to stray too far, out there, compared to a player like Holdsworth. The only outside solo I can think of is from Big Fat Money.

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    I don't know, I thought the solo from Unchained was kind of not really what someone would have expected in that song.
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    You can hear the Holdsworth influence starting on "Fair Warning", "Push Comes To Shove" is a great example. 1984 had "Top Jimmy" and "Good Girl Gone Bad", the latter being a heavy Holdsworth feel, especially in the intro, the chord voicings. From there on, Ed morphed it fully into his style to the point where it's hard to pick out.

    You have to understand this, Ed and Holdsworth have one huge thing in common that is reflected in their playing:

    Both their fathers played jazz horns. Ed's played the clarinette and Alans played the saxaphone.

    It took me five years to figure this out and I did so by accident. Long story follows.

    When I first read that Ed was in to Holdsworth I ran down to the record store and bought I.O.U.. I listen to it for hours on end, hoping to find a key to Ed's approach to soloing. I found that by parroting Holdsworth that I could get closer than I ever had before. So I was happy, for the mostr part. The problem was that Holdsworth and Van Halen seemed to be too similar, like they were hearing the same things in their head. They both have an off-key leggato that made little sense, it was cool but wierd.
    Then a few years later I worked at a record store and I was playing "Benny Goodman - Live at Carnegie Hall". About half way through Goodman is just blowing the roof off the place, the band is boogying and that's when it hit me. Goodman was the Van Halen of clarinettists, Ed's father, Jan, was a bigtime jazz clarinettist too. Holdsworth's father played alto-sax, similar to the clarinette. BINGO!!

    I always recommend Benny Goodman "Live At Carnegie Hall" to guitarists who want the secret key to all things Van Halen because it's all there. The squeals and bends and dives we love from Eddie are all right there in a recording from 1929. Goodman works his reed instrument like he's possessed, it squeals and vibratos in ways that Van Halen fans will recognize in an instant.

    Ed liked Holdsworth because it resonated in his subconscious. Allan was just ahead of Edward but because they drew from the same origins he was able to quickly adapt.

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    Thanks everyone for their feedback on this, especially Axxman300. Stoked to listen to your recommendation. Essentially, that was what I was after, the not so obvious inspiration to Edwards playing.

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    Its funny about the clarinet analogy because when I hear Jan playing on Big Bad Bill, I can picture Eddie playing that on guitar.

    Holdsworth a big influence on Eddie from FW to 1984. For some reason after 1984, Eddie started shedding his influence and its almost been removed.

    I wonder if Allan balking at Eddie producing his album, caused a rift between the two?

    Drop Dead Legs is another good example of the Holdsworth influence.

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    ive only heard one holdsworth song fred and me or something, and when I heard it i thought about eddie almost immediately...great fing playing.

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    Fantastic post, Axxman300.

    Truely fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic
    Fantastic post, Axxman300.

    Truely fantastic.
    Thanks.

    I figure I'll save variac and others the time I spent (months) getting my hands on Holdsworth solos and disecting them. I bought Jean Luc Ponte because Holdworth solos on a bunch of the tracks, I bought IOU and Metal Fatigue and spent hours. I could hear what I think Ed was hearing and I think that Holdsworth's off-center approach to the solo was incorperated into the Van Halen technique. I think that Holdsworth gave Ed a way to transform what he was hearing in his head into his own style of playing.

    The thing is that it wasn't guitar, it was clarinette.

    That Goodman album swings too. You can hear the basic elements of Van Halen (sure, you have to stretch) in those Goodman songs. The swing-shuffle beat that make up "Full Bug", "Hot For Teacher" and "I'm The One" are drawn directly from that era. Remember, Alex grew up listening to this stuff too. That's why he and Ed are so dynamic on stage, they read eachother perfectly.
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