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    I keep reading Sammy's interviews about last years Van halen expierience. First off I can't understand why everyone is so up in arms about this.

    Sam and Ed have always had totally different styles and personalitys when it comes to recording. Sam likes to get in the studio and get it done, Ed is a perfectionist who always wants to do a little better. Since these two are at total opposite ends of the spectrum, They have been going on like this for years ever since the first 5150 record.

    The two of them broke up the band becasue of this very reason in 96
    2004 was not much different. Sam and Ed can try and compromise but when it comes down to it, neither one will compromise long term

    Sam is a guy who talks out his feelings,He isn't trying to bury Ed. But when Sam gets frustrated he tells the world about it, He is a straight shooter and says what he feels. It is a miracle he kept quiet for so long, He had a couple of starts and stops, (He let a little out in the middle of the tour, when he was interviewed while drinking in Cabo) but he held his tongue so as to not ruin another shot at Van Halen

    Ed is frustrated as well, Ed wanted to keep going with the tour and when Sam said they agreed to the 80 dates and needed a rest. It pissed Ed off, which is why the two of them were at each others throats at that last concert. Ed also knows that Sam was his best attempt at keeping the music going

    Alex and Sam are the businessmen of the group and they buried the hatchet for a couple of reasons
    1) the music and the need of both to try and make music again
    2) The rights to Cabo Wabo name in the US

    Sam and Al made the agreement, Ed and Mike went along with it. Which explains the ticket prices and Sam bitching about them. The ticket prices had to be high in order for the brothers to make the money they wanted for both the tour and the cabo wabo name buyout. Of course Sam could have pitched in his own money in order to keep prices for the fans lower on the name buyout. But he doesent think that was or shouold have been an option.

    After the frustation of the tour Sam didnt want to go on and Ed feels Sam did it for just the business aspects. Sam feels like Ed needs to get help as he isn't fun at be around most of the time

    Sam and Alex are still friends so don't count out seeing another Van Halen tour somewhere down the line

    As far as seeing Roth down the road. the possibility now exists and could be either stronger or weaker depending on Dave himself. Ed is not going to change, Ed also realizes that Dave is Dave.

    Depending on Dave taking over for Stern the people may well demand another tour from the original band. If Dave is real sucessful the reunion will need to happen, On the flip side if Dave becomes real successful again will his ego allow him not to make the other three members of Van Halen not be his backups? As neither Ed or Al will allow that to happen and in fact fear it. Mike will be involved if there is a reunion of the original band. It does not matter what he thinks of Roth. If the offer is there Mike's bass will be packed.

    No one knows the future of this band even the five people involved. But make no mistake, Van Halen is a business and stranger things have happened than Al and Sam and Dave all in a room talking about how they could have a Summer 2006 Stadium tour with both versions of Van Halen as well as Sam and the Wabo's going out on tour toghether next summer.

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    That was a really well written post. So much of what you said is dead on. It really could have been posted though in any of half a dozen threads going right now. Still, nicely written.

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    VH NOTES

    With a dazzling display of technical flash, flamboyant showmanship and rock thrills, Van Halen II was released in March, 1979. Within a month the 10-song collection reached the Top 20. Van Halen show from the rookie ranks into the major leagues with their potent mix of "Big Rock" energy and canny pop songwriting. Later that year, Van Halen set off on a massive world tour, featuring a 22-ton, 10,000 watt sound system. Before it was all over, the quartet had become the premier heavy rock heroes of the new decade.

    The group first formed in 1974 around the talents of two Dutch-born brothers, Alex and Edward Van Halen, and a vocalist named David Lee Roth, who had been diagnosed as hyperactive at the tender age of six. They were joined by bassis Michael Anthony. By 1977, Van Halen had built a small but fanatical following on the LA club scene, when they were spotted by Warner Bros. Chairman Mo Ostin and producer Ted Templeman.

    Templeman produced Van Halen's first album in a little less than three weeks. The LP, released in 1978, went on to multi-Platinum status. As opening act for Journey, Montrose and Black Sabbath, the band consistently stole the show. At one Anaheim CA appearance, they parachuted onto teh stage in front of 62,000 screaming fans.

    Early in 1979, Van Halen returned to the studio with Templeman, emerging six days later with Van Halen II. Guitar Player Magazine named the young axeman Edward Van Halen Best Guitarist of the Year for his work on the album (an award he won for the next four years). Fans expressed their approval by buying three million copies of Van Halen II.

    Returning to the studio in 1980 with producer Templeman, they recorded Women and Children First in two and a half weeks. Women and Children First was Van Halen's third album and third multi-million seller. The album raced into the Top 5, where it remained for more than two months and became a certified Platinum seller.

    My point here being that these classics were each recorded in record time compared to now. A then and now comparison.

    I guess we all know what happened. I just wanted to remind everyone of this band's legendary greatness.
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    Not to piss in your cheerios but almost all of the songs for VH, VHII and WACF were written and performed for years before the band was signed so the recording process was not a big deal. VH now has to write the tunes while they record them. I think it would be a good idea to take 6 months and just sit down and write songs, get Sam and Ed in a room and have them just go nuts, then start recording or do it the way FUCK was done. Write some music, demo it, demo it again a little different, give the tape to Sammy to write lyrics to, record it, listen back and then start fine tuning it. You'll never get records recorded as fast as the old days.

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    Ya Ol' Pisser!!!



    All I'm sayin is that the band created some great music back in the day. The potential was/is there. They know how, was my point.
    As far as recording now, we all know the hurdles they've got in front of them.
    RIP - Classic Van Halen

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabowabo49

    Sam is a guy who talks out his feelings,He isn't trying to bury Ed. But when Sam gets frustrated he tells the world about it, He is a straight shooter and says what he feels. It is a miracle he kept quiet for so long,
    Sam is trying to bury, Ed dont you think he isnt. Sam is all about Sam and doing what he feels best for him. Ed says he wanted to do a whole albulm, Sam shoots back saying it took Ed too long, Sam wanted the payday. As of this minute, I dont recall anywhere where it says Sammy Hagar has refused a paycheck from the Van Halen tour. Straight shooter? this dude is more wishy- washy than Charlie Brown, first it was about the fans thats why they wanted to get back on the road only recording 3 songs, then it was because Ed was too slow, please dont insult our intelligence. Sam wanted the bread. The only miracle here is that Sammy kept his fat pie hole shut this long. Sammy is and will always be the king of the positive spin as long as it is best for Sam. By the way, is it funny to anyone else that 9 has been so quiet lately?
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    As much as people would like to put the finger on Ed and his problems, people outside the band have said that Sam is very difficult to work with.

    Andy Johns, said that Sam would not allow him to work with him on his vocals therefore Ted Templemen was brought in and worked exclusively with Sam. You know who else likes Ted.....Dave. I don't believe anybody can say that DLR is a workaholic.

    The producer for the movie Twister had issues with Sam as well along with Glen Ballard.

    Bruce Fairborn had problems with Sammy as well.

    However you never hear of a producer ripping on Eddie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown5150Sound
    By the way, is it funny to anyone else that 9 has been so quiet lately?
    Interesting, to say the least.

    Where is that 9 anyways???????
    RIP - Classic Van Halen

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    It looks like he lurks here. The last activity for his user name is 7/22/05.

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    Well written, but SAMMY DOESN'T NEED TO BASH EDDIE, he can speak his mind, but when it comes to reallity, Sammy is just tierd of being asked the same quiestion everyday, and the problem in his "beautiful" life is, he will be asked the same QUESTION for the rest of his life.
    "I could call it anything, but the only word I can think of is Brown. It's just a warm sound. Warm, big, majestic" - Eddie Van Halen on his Tone

    "Van Halen is definitely a ladies band, and Ive got the Polaroids to prove it". - David Lee Roth

    WOLFGANG did the IMPOSSIBLE, he brought back VAN HALEN, DEAL WITH IT.

 

 

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