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    Child Population Dwindles in San Francisco By LISA LEFF, Associated Press Writer
    Tue May 24, 2:16 PM ET



    Anne Bakstad and Ed Cohen are starting to feel as if their family of four is an endangered species in San Francisco.

    Since the couple bought a house five years ago, more than a dozen families in their social circle have left the city for cheaper housing, better schools or both.

    The goodbyes are so frequent that Carina, age 4 1/2, wants to know when she is going to move, too. Eric, 2 1/2, misses Gus, his playmate from across the street.

    "When we get to know people through our kids, we think to ourselves, `Are they renters or owners? Where do they work?' You have to figure out how much time to invest in people," Bakstad said. "It makes you feel like, `Where is everyone going? Stay with us!'"

    A similar lament is being heard in San Francisco's half-empty classrooms, in parks where parents are losing ground to dog owners, and in the corridors of City Hall.

    San Francisco has the smallest share of small-fry of any major U.S. city. Just 14.5 percent of the city's population is 18 and under.

    It is no mystery why U.S. cities are losing children. The promise of safer streets, better schools and more space has drawn young families away from cities for as long as America has had suburbs.

    But kids are even more scarce in San Francisco than in expensive New York (24 percent) or in retirement havens such as Palm Beach, Fla., (19 percent), according to Census estimates.

    San Francisco's large gay population — estimated at 20 percent by the city Public Health Department — is thought to be one factor, though gays and lesbians in the city are increasingly raising families.

    Another reason San Francisco's children are disappearing: Family housing in the city is especially scarce and expensive. A two-bedroom, 1,000-square-foot starter home is considered a bargain at $760,000.

    A recent survey by the city controller found 40 percent of parents said they were considering pulling up stakes within the next year.

    Determined to change things, Mayor Gavin Newsom has put the kid crisis near the top of his agenda, appointing a 27-member policy council to develop plans for keeping families in the city.

    "It goes to the heart and soul of what I think a city is about — it's about generations, it's about renewal and it's about aspirations," said Newsom, 37. "To me, that's what children represent and that's what families represent and we just can't sit back idly and let it go away."

    Newsom has expanded health insurance for the poor to cover more people under 25, and created a tax credit for working families. And voters have approved measures to patch up San Francisco's public schools, which have seen enrollment drop from about 62,000 to 59,000 since 2000.

    One voter initiative approved up to $60 million annually to restore public school arts, physical education and other extras that state spending no longer covers. Another expanded the city's Children's Fund, guaranteeing about $30 million a year for after-school activities, child care subsidies and other programs.

    "We are at a crossroads here," said N'Tanya Lee, executive director of the nonprofit Coleman Advocates for Children and Youth. "We are moving toward a place where we could have an infrastructure of children's services and no children."

    Other cities are trying similar strategies. Seattle has created a children's fund, like the one in San Francisco. Leaders in Portland, Ore., are pushing developers to build affordable housing for families, a move Newsom has also tried.

    For families choosing to stay in San Francisco, life remains a series of trade-offs. They can enjoy world-class museums, natural beauty and an energy they say they cannot find in the suburbs.

    But most families need two or more incomes to keep their homes, and their children spend most of their days being cared for by others.

    "We have so many friends who are moving out and say how much easier life has been for them," Bakstad said. "If we can make it work in the city, we would love to stay. In a way, the jury is out."

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    Besides there's still plenty of Chinese babies to adopt!

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    From that article it sounds more like a shitty community, expensive housing, and crappy schools are the problem more than the gay community.

    Why did you feel it was a gay thing that was THE motivating factor?

    Geez.

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    Sounds to me like it's just too expensive to raise a family there.

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    The Bay Area housing costs are one reason I made $200,000 on my condo in 4 years...Everyone is moving here and riding Amtrak back to the Bay Area...

    Newsom can try all that commission crap he wants...Bottom line is the cost of housing...$760,000 is the AVERAGE cost for 1,000 square feet???
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    Quote Originally Posted by SactoFan
    The Bay Area housing costs are one reason I made $200,000 on my condo in 4 years...Everyone is moving here and riding Amtrak back to the Bay Area...

    Newsom can try all that commission crap he wants...Bottom line is the cost of housing...$760,000 is the AVERAGE cost for 1,000 square feet???

    That is crazy. Why would anyone want to live there?

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    I have a step brother that lives in Burlingame a suburb of SF, he payed $670,000 for a 1200 Square foot house. I was shocked at the prices of homes in the bay area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLO
    I have a step brother that lives in Burlingame a suburb of SF, he payed $670,000 for a 1200 Square foot house. I was shocked at the prices of homes in the bay area.


    I paid $147,000 for my 2600 sq ft BRAND NEW house just north of DFW.

    I don't see how people live there either (well for all of CA just about seems like)

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    Hmmmm......I swear I have met some kids before that had to be butthole babies.

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    Down my way, the average price of a home in Carmel is 1.2 million, that at an average of 1,500 square feet. If it's close to the ocean then it's an automatic 2 million.

    It's obscene and I suspect dirty pool between the county and realestate developers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BradS
    From that article it sounds more like a shitty community, expensive housing, and crappy schools are the problem more than the gay community.

    Why did you feel it was a gay thing that was THE motivating factor?

    Geez.
    BradS, that was part of the article. Do you think that gays have _nothing_ to do with the lack of procreation?

    "San Francisco's large gay population — estimated at 20 percent by the city Public Health Department — is thought to be one factor"

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