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    Default taking opinions from FoMoCo enthusiasts...

    i mentioned earlier that one of my cars is a 1966 Mustang GT, numbers correct, unrestored. it's a factory GT (not some shitty clone) with the Challenger A code 289/225 higher compression plant.

    note that this is a driver, and not some lame trailer queen that never sees pavement. i only put maybe 2k miles a year on it, but a lot of those are hard.

    anyway.. everything (you can see) under the hood is original or period correct. however, what you can't see is, over the years, i've had just about everything done to the motor that the Ford dealer offered in '66, which is one helluva lot. bigger pistons, heads, covers, hotter cam, headers, exhaust, etc. etc.

    i even slapped on an 8" Detroit Locker and swapped out the rear cogs for 3.5:1. she wears non-stock shoes, 225/60/R15s (dual red line radials) over 15X7 styled steel wheels. (yes, those are non-stock tire/wheel sizes, but i had to trade off handling for the period correct sizes. besides, very few people can immediately tell the diff) the result is, for a 2900 lb car, it moves off the line with some authority.

    anyway, back to the subject at hand...

    the time has come to replace the carb/intake set up. the only non-original or period correct item on the motor (except for the Pertronix electronic ignition hidden under the distributor cap) is the holley carb. it's simply worn out and i've been meaning to replace it for sometime, but just never got around to it. now that spring has sprung, and a great car show is comng up in a few weeks, i'm hot to do it right.

    so. i've been toying with what carb/intake set up to choose...

    i wanna keep it period correct, so that leaves out slapping on a holley 4bbl mated to a weiand dual-plane intake or some similar configuration. yeah, i could rattle can Ford blue the intake, and fool some of the people some of the time... but that's not my style--tires/wheels not withstanding.

    in 1966, Ford offered several after-market carb/intake upgrades. my choices are:

    1. Basic:
    autoflite 4100 4bbl with a Cobra high-rise intake manifold. no frills, simple upgrade.

    2. Sexy:
    dual quad set-up (staged, not synched) a serious street/race option. nice wow factor.

    3. Hot:
    autoflite Tri-Po (3 X 2bbl) all those carbs and the extra-long oval air cleaner just looks bitch. she's starting to drip like a ripe peach.

    4. Pornographic:
    Weber 8 stack (4 X 2bbl) money shot, baby! open up and give me eight on the half-shell.

    my basic instinct is to go with the weber, cause i love the feel of having my arthritic spine stuffed into my seat when i juice the gas. but--aside from the price, which is just a cunt hair under $3 large--the streetability of the weber set up is absolutely horrible. that's really more of a pure racing set up. in fact, even the venerable Shelby GT 350 of the same year (arguably the finest overall production muscle car ever manufactured) didn't run webers.

    what about the Tri-Po? well.. the Tri-Po definitely offers more HP than the stock set up, and twice the sex appeal. plus, the Tri-Po setup offers excellent streetability, meaning it drives well whether your cruising or mashing the pedal to the floor. but, the fact is, all those moving parts are problematic. Tri-Pos are notoriously temperamental and, in reality, really don't deliver a significant HP advantage over the dual-quads. result is you got something that looks really great, but doesn't reliably deliver. and, it's kinda expensive, at just under $2k.

    dual quads. a sensible stree/race set-up. by staging the carbs, instead of synching them, i'll get good idle and streetability. however, when i decide to get a little deeper into the pedal, there's plenty of breadth and depth. and the dual quad set up is fairly reliable. less moving parts than the Tri-Po translates to fewer operating problems. about $1500 for the whole set up.

    and finally, back to basics, the autoflite 4100 and cobra intake. at $800 this is the most sensible and economic alternative. the re-manufactured, re-engineered 4100s are incredibly reliable and offer excellent response from idle to wide-open. but, one big problem is the cobra high-rise intake. shelby and his engineers designed this thing to win on the Trans-Am circuit--that's a road race circuit, not a street drag. as a result, the cobra intake is designed to perform best at high revs--where the Tran-Am races took place--and under-perform off the line. so, since i don't do any sustained racing, the cobra intake really isn't a very good choice. besides, economy and sensibility have never been my strong suits.

    so... i'm fairly convinced the dual-quad set up is the right one for my application.

    opinions/feeback...?

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    Okay I don't know shit about your question, sorry, but I just wanted to say that you're lucky as hell to own such an awesome car!!

    My dream car is a Mustang Fastback, probably like the '69.
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    Our tastes coincide even in cars !

    Mustang is the legend. The Van Halen of automobile industry

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    It's all about the pornography, dude! More power!

    Post some pics of your car. I'd like to see it.
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    I would like to see some pictures as well! I would say the dual quads would be the best...Unless you are racing OR showing the little beaute. The Weber would be THE shit, but headaches galore keeping the tempermental bitch calibrated would be a nightmare.

    I would love to see those pics!!!

    While I love the 'Stangs, my car of choice has always been the Merc. Cougar. I have owned no less than 4 of them, 2 '67s and 2 '68s, but that was before kids. God I would love to have another one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishar McLeud
    Our tastes coincide even in cars !

    Mustang is the legend. The Van Halen of automobile industry
    Agreed The class of all sports cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishar McLeud
    Mustang is the legend. The Van Halen of automobile industry
    Yup.

    I can't wait to get my 2006. I've got my $11,000 down and ready to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousDooDoo
    i mentioned earlier that one of my cars is a 1966 Mustang GT, numbers correct, unrestored. it's a factory GT (not some shitty clone) with the Challenger A code 289/225 higher compression plant.



    opinions/feeback...?
    Yeah... I HATE YOU!!!

    Just kidding.

    It must be an awsome ride, man. I envy you. I've got my 2006 on the way very soon so I can't wait for that. This is MY first Mustang and my families 6th.

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    Well let me be the voice of reason and tell you to sell the Ford and buy a Mopar. To put it simple.......Mopar rules.

    To answer your question, I'd probably go with the single 4 bbl carb. You do not drive it much so why hassle with having to keep multiple carbs tuned. Also being such a small motor you do not want to over-carb the engine. Big carbs do nothing if the motor can not breath. I get the impression the heads and manifolds are basically stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janthraxx
    Okay I don't know shit about your question, sorry, but I just wanted to say that you're lucky as hell to own such an awesome car!!

    My dream car is a Mustang Fastback, probably like the '69.
    if the '69 mustang is your favorite, you'd positively flip over my nephew's Mach 1 428 CJ. it's a completely stock show car, so he rarely drives it... which is a damn shame. these cars are not so rare as to be museum pieces. they're meant to be driven, in my book.

    actually, design-wise, i like the '70 Mach 1 a little more than the '69. Ford recessed the hood latches to be flush-mounted, and i think it's a cleaner look. but they got rid of the side scoops, which was stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executionor
    I would like to see some pictures as well! I would say the dual quads would be the best...Unless you are racing OR showing the little beaute. The Weber would be THE shit, but headaches galore keeping the tempermental bitch calibrated would be a nightmare.

    I would love to see those pics!!!

    While I love the 'Stangs, my car of choice has always been the Merc. Cougar. I have owned no less than 4 of them, 2 '67s and 2 '68s, but that was before kids. God I would love to have another one.
    the weber eight stack would be killer, but you're right.. trying to drive it on the street would be a total nightmare. even in '66, the Ford dealer's advertisement said, "It should be used only for competition events--not recommended for general street usage."

    but... it will add more than 40 hp over a stock 4bbl...

    oh... decisions... decisions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limecuda
    Well let me be the voice of reason and tell you to sell the Ford and buy a Mopar. To put it simple.......Mopar rules.

    To answer your question, I'd probably go with the single 4 bbl carb. You do not drive it much so why hassle with having to keep multiple carbs tuned. Also being such a small motor you do not want to over-carb the engine. Big carbs do nothing if the motor can not breath. I get the impression the heads and manifolds are basically stock.
    mopar rules..? dude. there's a reason why old mopars are scarce. even "in the day" nobody wanted them!

    hahaha.. just teasing you, bro. actually, i really dig on the old mopars. so totally American. big fucking cars with even bigger fucking engines! completely anti-european. fuck you and your puny peugeot, frenchy!!

    you're definitely right about over-carbing a stock small block. but mine is far from stock.

    i mentioned the engine in my mustang has been up-graded to just about every available Ford dealer option available at the time of production. in 1966, one of the upgrades Ford offered the "Engine Performance Kit" which upgraded the cam, heads, valves and pistons with cobra replacements. i've done the same thing with my engine, albeit to more modern standards and parts. and i topped it off with shelby tri-Y headers and flowmaster dual exhaust system. so it breathes quite well and, as a result, can handle pretty much whatever carb/intake system i wanna throw on top of the mill.

    but you've definitely hit on the one major draw-back with the multi-carb set up. they're a bitch to keep running right... or at least that's been the knock on them. however, a lot of the parts manufacturers today are claiming the new systems are far, far more reliable than in the days of old. i was hoping somebody around here may have tried one out and could give me some feedback from personal experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeoHalen
    It's all about the pornography, dude! More power!

    Post some pics of your car. I'd like to see it.
    about the pix.

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    [QUOTE=SeriousDooDoo]if the '69 mustang is your favorite, you'd positively flip over my nephew's Mach 1 428 CJ.[QUOTE]


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    [QUOTE=Wolfgang Slinger]
    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousDooDoo
    if the '69 mustang is your favorite, you'd positively flip over my nephew's Mach 1 428 CJ.[\QUOTE]


    I echo that sentiment! So lucky!
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