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    Made by European company Airbus, the A380 is set to challenge the Boeing 747's long dominance of the jumbo jet market.

    Airbus says dozens of airports are being updated to cope with the huge plane and extra passengers although its American rival Boeing says few are ready now.

    The U.S. company also has embarked on a midsize long-range aircraft it is calling the 787 Dreamliner. Boeing is also looking at further modifying its aging 747 to take 450 passengers.

    Boeing scored two victories this week in its trans-Atlantic battle with Airbus with announcements of major purchases by Air Canada and Air India.

    On Monday, Air Canada's parent company said it had made firm orders for 18 Boeing 777 jets and 14 of the company's 787 Dreamliner jets in a deal worth $5 billion at list prices.

    As part of a plan to overhaul Air Canada's fleet, parent ACE Aviation Holdings said it also had options to buy a further 18 more 777 jets and 46 more 787s. (Full story)

    And the board of India's state-owned international airline, Air India, has approved an order to purchase 50 Boeing aircraft worth $8 billion, Boeing executives in Mumbai confirmed to CNN.

    The Boeing planes included in the deal are eight 777-200LR ultra long-range models, 15 777-300ER long-range aircraft with 350 seats and 27 787 long-range aircraft with 250 seats. (Full story)

    Meanwhile, China signed contracts on April 21 to buy five Airbus A380s and 25 other Airbus jetliners in a series of deals totaling more than $3.2 billion. (Full story)

    Thirteen companies have placed firm orders for 149 of the A380t, which comes with a catalogue price of between $263 million and $286 million (200 million and 218 million euros).

    France, Britain, Germany and Spain all invested heavily in the 10-year, 10-billion-plus euro ($13-billion-plus) program to build the A380.

    Although the project has run some $1.4 billion over budget, Airbus believes it will recoup its costs in 2008 and be an extremely profitable flagship product for decades to come.

    Airbus chief Noel Forgeard told CNN in January the aircraft had already nearly covered its costs. The A380 was originally unveiled at a star-studded event on January 18 in France. (Full story)

    In a typical passenger layout, the jet has 555 seats and four aisles, with a range of up to 15,000 kilometers (8,000 nautical miles).

    UPS and FedEx have ordered a freight version which is to be unveiled at a later date and will be able to carry cargos of 150 tons over 10,400 kilometers.

    Some passenger planes will have cocktail bars, double beds and massage parlors, while Airbus has suggested that selected jets may even have jacuzzis and mini-casinos.

    According to Airbus, the A380 has about a 13 percent lower fuel burn than the 747 and is the first long-haul aircraft to consume less than 3 liters of fuel per passenger over 100 km -- said to be as efficient as an average family car.

    Carbon fiber components and fuel-efficient technology also mean the cost per passenger should be up to 20 percent less than on a 747, raising the possibility of cheaper tickets, Airbus said.

    CNN's Richard Quest contributed to this report.



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    So what do you think about his guys? Would Boeing rush into developing even more capacious/endurable jet, or follow the market's reaction to this first?

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    amazing plane, I remember reading about it years ago and wondered if it would ever fly.

    but the few times I have flown on airbus planes... they flew like buses. not very smooth rides compared to boeing, but could have just been my dumb luck
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    Gotta be careful up there - can't be sacrificing durability for economy...

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    Now this is a topic I can really get into. (hence the nickname jetguy!)

    I have followed this project along from day one and it is quite impressive. Every time a new piece of this plane was shipped to the assembly plant it was huge news. When the fuselage was being shipped via river and canal from Hamburg Germany to France it was wreaking havoc. They typically only moved it at night when they could close bridges and move overhead wires etc. There is a picture of the rear section of the fuselage being moved by river and a picture of the center section being moved by truck. Massive! The first link is a picture of it taking off today.

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    The thing that I think is gonna ground this bird, esp here in the USA, is that it's so big, that major US airports are gonna have to change parking spaces at the gate. The jet requires 4 jetways for passengers to get into and off of the titanic aircraft. Plus, there is a issue of taxiways. Most taxiway at some US major airports are to small to handle this jet. So, either alot of airports are not gonna accept this plane at the their airport, PERIOD, or the US gov't and airports are gonna have to cough up some serious money to change gates, parking and taxiway to handle this A380.

    Can't remember the specs, but this jet is several feet wider than the current (newest) 747-400. And most 747-400's are so wide, that they themselves just barlely feet most taxiways and US majors.

    We shall see I guess. Personally, it's a cool plane, but I think it's a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Halen
    The thing that I think is gonna ground this bird, esp here in the USA, is that it's so big, that major US airports are gonna have to change parking spaces at the gate. The jet requires 4 jetways for passengers to get into and off of the titanic aircraft. Plus, there is a issue of taxiways. Most taxiway at some US major airports are to small to handle this jet. So, either alot of airports are not gonna accept this plane at the their airport, PERIOD, or the US gov't and airports are gonna have to cough up some serious money to change gates, parking and taxiway to handle this A380.

    Can't remember the specs, but this jet is several feet wider than the current (newest) 747-400. And most 747-400's are so wide, that they themselves just barlely feet most taxiways and US majors.

    We shall see I guess. Personally, it's a cool plane, but I think it's a waste.

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    Completely agree with everything you have said. The launch of this bird is similar to when the 747 first arrived. The upstairs dome had a cocktail bar or a piano lounge. It was touted as the luxurious way to fly. After a short time airlines realized that they needed to put some rather expensive seats up there in order to increase their profit. They talk about the A380 having room for a casino or a spa or an endless number of options however this jet is only going to be viable on major routes where the airports have made the retrofits to their gates to accomodate it. It is going to take a long time to deplane from this beast if they don't have 2 to 3 doors being used. Realistically they are talking about 2 doors being used on each level. Currently there isn't an airport out there that can accomodate that. It will be interesting to see. Boeing opted not to get into this fight, deciding that this idea would not "fly."
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    This isn't something that airlines would want to use out of very many airports, so it's not as though it'll require many changes at most airports--it won't be landing at most airports. It's the ultimate hub and spoke people mover. Get people to the hubs on the smaller aircraft, get them on the A380, get them to another hub, disperse them with smaller aircraft.

    Boeing is heading the other direction with their 7E7. Longer direct flights.

    As a passenger, I vastly prefer Boeing's products and the business model they suggest for the 7E7. All of the A319/320s I've been on have a horrible resonance when not at cruise. I don't care too much for connection after connection, either. I'd much rather plop my ass down in a nice seat, have the stewardess keep me full of wine, and get off at my destination.

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    But a flight duration of this one is just increadible! I mean, Seatle to London without landing !! Plus, with 555 passengers aboard, I think it is worth it.

    BTW wasn't 7E7 planned as the next word in superjets history?

    Edited: been posting while you been replying MikeL . Thanks for the info
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL

    As a passenger, I vastly prefer Boeing's products and the business model they suggest for the 7E7. All of the A319/320s I've been on have a horrible resonance when not at cruise.
    You are bang on about those A319's and A320's. Now on the other hand... once you hit the A330 or A340 you are in a whole different world. Those babies make you forget you are even off the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishar McLeud
    But a flight duration of this one is just increadible! I mean, Seatle to London without landing.
    That's nothing new. A 747 did nearly the same flight in February on just three engines, which was a boo-boo.

    BTW wasn't 7E7 planned as the next word in superjets history?
    Superjets? I wouldn't call it that, and I don't think it was ever envisioned as that. More efficient, lower life-cycle costs, and longer range than the current equivalents. Boeing has been on the ropes, and needs the 7E7 to sell well. So far it's selling, but not the way they would like it to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetguy5150
    however this jet is only going to be viable on major routes where the airports have made the retrofits to their gates to accomodate it.
    That's a great point. It's not like we 're going to see A-380's flying from LGA to MCO. This behemoth will load up and fly halfway around the world with 555 people onboard. I imagine only the top tier international airports worldwide (Category X in the US) will end up with this aircraft flying into them.

    I can't wait! Although, I imagine Denver will be only a viable divert airport. I can't see a market in Denver for that many people to fly non-stop anywhere.
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    I saw this thing take-off on the news this morning...
    It's bloody huge!!!!
    I don't enjoy flying on the best of days.
    How do they keep something that big in the air?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Gibson
    I saw this thing take-off on the news this morning...
    It's bloody huge!!!!
    I don't enjoy flying on the best of days.
    How do they keep something that big in the air?
    There are 4 basic forces that are in play on an aircraft durning flight. They are:
    1. Lift
    2. Gravity (weight)
    3. Thrust (forward movement)
    4. Drag.
    Brian, to really see and understand how the 4 basic principles of flight affect an airplane, I would like to tell you to do a google search on, "Bernoulli's Principle and Newton's Laws, do get the true understanding of how it all works.

    But to break it down, thrust or forward movement causes air to flow over the airfoils of a plane, (wings, horizontaltail surfaces) Over the wing, the top side and low side of a plane's wing have different pressures applied to them. Depending on the angle of attack of a planes wing, high pressure on the underside of the wing is greater than the low pressure that is coming over the top of the wing. The higher pressure will basically create the lift. And other factors that come into play as far as lift are:
    1. Speed of the wing through the air
    2. Wing area
    3. And density of the air.

    So, with all of this in mind, no matter how big the plane, or weight, as long as there is enough thrust (engine power), and the proper wing area to support the plane's size and weight, any plane will fly. Trust me, when a plane is built, such as the A 380, the powerplants (engines) they choose are more than enough to keep the plane's 4 basic forces, in a balance.

    Please research this. I think you'll find aeronautical physics really cool. And it's not that hard to learn. It's just a pain trying to explain it in ENGLISH!

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    What I find most amazing about these new plane launches is that they spent billions on this one and until this morning they are really not 100% sure it is going to fly! I mean, they are 99.99999% sure but over the years it is all computer modeling etc. that puts this airplane together. The physics all work and the engineers know what they are doing and they can test the design over and over ad nauseum....but....until they rev that baby up and send her down the runway for the first time, they are not 100% sure. That is why the test pilots are all wearing flight suits and parachutes. I just find this incredible.
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