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    Default Why do so many teens have a total disregard of human life?

    Teen killed in baseball bat attack
    Thursday, April 14, 2005 Posted: 10:01 AM EDT (1401 GMT)

    PALMDALE, California (AP) -- A 13-year-old pitcher was accused of clubbing a teenage friend to death with a baseball bat, moments after the friend apparently teased him at a concession stand following his baseball team's first loss of the season.

    The teen suspect, whose name was not released, was arrested Wednesday for investigation of murder and was being held at Antelope Valley Juvenile Hall as authorities prepared to take the case to prosecutors.

    He is suspected of killing Jeremy Rourke, 15, after the Tuesday night Pony League game in the desert city of Palmdale about 40 miles northeast of Los Angeles.

    The boys had no history of fighting, said Tony Trevino, coach of the Dodgers, which had just defeated the suspect's team, the Angels, when the clubbing took place.

    "That's what's so shocking and so appalling," he said. "What happened? What did we miss as a community? What did we miss as parents?"

    At the playing field Wednesday night, a family friend read a statement from Rourke's parents, who urged people not to demonize their son's attacker.

    He "is not a monster. He's a good boy who made a bad mistake. This is a mistake that will haunt both families for the rest of our lives," the statement said.

    The suspect was the starting pitcher when his team was beaten for the first time in eight games by the Dodgers, a team that went into the game with a 1-6 record.

    Deputies declined to provide further details of the attack. It occurred during a regular weekday night game that attracts children and their parents in this community of 116,000.

    Ryan Gosporra, 15, said the incident began when Rourke cut in front of the suspect in the snack bar line. Neither he nor Trevino saw the attack that occurred after the last game of the night with about 40 people at the field.

    But Trevino, 50, said witnesses told him the two boys teased each other before the suspect pulled a bat from his bag and hit Rourke in the knees, then the head.

    After the attack, Trevino saw the suspect standing against a fence with his parents. "He looked scared. He was in shock," the coach said.

    League officials said play would be suspended at the field for several days.

    "We're really in a state of shock over this whole thing," league President Ken Curtis said. Rourke's father is a past president of the league.

    A memorial was held at Highland High School, where Rourke attended classes. Students shared memories, and a bundle of pink and black balloons was released in honor of him.

    "He's just a funny kid. He liked to make people smile," Gosporra said. "You could be in the worst mood, and he would make you laugh."

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    This is so complicated it's not funny.

    First of all, teens in general do NOT have the same concept of life and death that adults do. Plain and simple. Intellectually, they understand life and death, but not emotionally. And most teens act off emotions, not intellect. That's why they do a lot of "stupid" dangerous things that adults don't do. I know I had no concept of the finality of death until I was maybe 21. I'd had people that were relatively close die before then and didn't get that upset. There was a maturity process in there that changed the way I felt.

    Second, our society has done a GREAT job desensitizing kids. We are exposing our kids to things that they simply cannot emotionally keep up with. I know the argument about the cartoons when we were growing up, etc., but I can't help but believe that the barrage of violence on TV, video games, computer games, etc. is having an impact. It's pushing reality even further back in their heads. And it makes it worse that the news does nothing but glorify real violence for ratings.

    Third, our society is becoming a me me me me at all costs society, with an instant gratification and entitlement mentality. Deflect any blame or accountability, do what you have to do to get what you want RIGHT NOW. It encourages emotional reactions vs. rational decisions. And parents are refusing to accept the responsibility to teach their kids different.

    Add them all up, and you get a parent hitting an umpire, or a kid grabbing a bat and braining his best friend.

    Shit, I'm barely even scraping the surface of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IED
    our society has done a GREAT job desensitizing kids. We are exposing our kids to things that they simply cannot emotionally keep up with.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IED
    This is so complicated it's not funny.

    First of all, teens in general do NOT have the same concept of life and death that adults do. Plain and simple. Intellectually, they understand life and death, but not emotionally. And most teens act off emotions, not intellect. That's why they do a lot of "stupid" dangerous things that adults don't do. I know I had no concept of the finality of death until I was maybe 21. I'd had people that were relatively close die before then and didn't get that upset. There was a maturity process in there that changed the way I felt.

    Second, our society has done a GREAT job desensitizing kids. We are exposing our kids to things that they simply cannot emotionally keep up with. I know the argument about the cartoons when we were growing up, etc., but I can't help but believe that the barrage of violence on TV, video games, computer games, etc. is having an impact. It's pushing reality even further back in their heads. And it makes it worse that the news does nothing but glorify real violence for ratings.

    Third, our society is becoming a me me me me at all costs society, with an instant gratification and entitlement mentality. Deflect any blame or accountability, do what you have to do to get what you want RIGHT NOW. It encourages emotional reactions vs. rational decisions. And parents are refusing to accept the responsibility to teach their kids different.

    Add them all up, and you get a parent hitting an umpire, or a kid grabbing a bat and braining his best friend.

    Shit, I'm barely even scraping the surface of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IED
    This is so complicated it's not funny.

    First of all, teens in general do NOT have the same concept of life and death that adults do. Plain and simple. Intellectually, they understand life and death, but not emotionally. And most teens act off emotions, not intellect. That's why they do a lot of "stupid" dangerous things that adults don't do. I know I had no concept of the finality of death until I was maybe 21. I'd had people that were relatively close die before then and didn't get that upset. There was a maturity process in there that changed the way I felt.

    Second, our society has done a GREAT job desensitizing kids. We are exposing our kids to things that they simply cannot emotionally keep up with. I know the argument about the cartoons when we were growing up, etc., but I can't help but believe that the barrage of violence on TV, video games, computer games, etc. is having an impact. It's pushing reality even further back in their heads. And it makes it worse that the news does nothing but glorify real violence for ratings.

    Third, our society is becoming a me me me me at all costs society, with an instant gratification and entitlement mentality. Deflect any blame or accountability, do what you have to do to get what you want RIGHT NOW. It encourages emotional reactions vs. rational decisions. And parents are refusing to accept the responsibility to teach their kids different.

    Add them all up, and you get a parent hitting an umpire, or a kid grabbing a bat and braining his best friend.

    Shit, I'm barely even scraping the surface of this.
    See - it's not that complicated.

    They're just doing as they've been shown...

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    Alot of the blame, if not all, of the blame go to the teens parents.

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    Same sick words-violence and bitching on teens boards I (unfortunately) happen to browse. But! You have to keep in mind there was no such thing as Internet a decade ago, so people could not get info on events like this that fast, and then discuss it the way we do it now. And I wouldn't look too much into violent TV/video games thing, 15 years ago it would be Death Metal. I don't thing things got any worse since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EVH FANATIC
    Alot of the blame, if not all, of the blame go to the teens parents.
    Concur.

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    Like has been said already...it's not really the teens. It's what they've learned. It's the world at large that's the bigger problem.

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    I think the violence on screens has reduced significantly since the 80-ies, at least in movies. And there are minor restrictions for video games with violence, so 14-year-olds can't (or at least not supposed) to play GTA or DOOMIII or over shtick. I can't see how it's worse than Bugz Bunny beating the hell out of a piggy guy with a truck-size hammer.

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    Yes, it's very different.

    And I'm sorry dude, but TV is WAYYYYY more violent, and sexual, now than in the 80's or 90's. Not even close.

    But realize, I'm not saying that teens are going to go "ooh, I just saw this on Doom, I'll do it to this other poor kid walking down the street"...

    I'm talking about a general desensitization where right vs. wrong starts to require more thought. As I said, teens are more likely to act out of pure emotion, and if the societal values they should have are crammed back in there somewhere requiring someone to stop and think, you have this kind of shit happening. Because teens don't stop and think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishar McLeud
    I think the violence on screens has reduced significantly since the 80-ies, at least in movies. And there are minor restrictions for video games with violence, so 14-year-olds can't (or at least not supposed) to play GTA or DOOMIII or over shtick. I can't see how it's worse than Bugz Bunny beating the hell out of a piggy guy with a truck-size hammer.
    Those ratings mean nothing. There are so many parents that have no problem buying their kids the latest "shoot to kill" games and if you have kids they will always seem to find those kids for their friends. And to me, there's a BIG difference between a cartoon bunny and a cartoon duck squaring off than between two graphically detailed heavily armed combatants.
    When we played cops and robbers in the back yard, there was no blood, nobody died - we all picked up and went home afterwards. Now they play these games where the blood is depicted and if they start to lose they can get "energy points" or whatever and get back up to snuff. When we played we were aiming wildly and it was up to our imaginations whether we scored a hit or not - now the computer keeps track for 'em so enough play really improves their aim.
    Kinda debunks the whole evolution theory, if you ask me. We haven't evolved, unless you consider finding newer and better ways to kill each other evolved. To me, if we were evolved, the urge to harm one another would've evolved out of us through years of watching each other die. But I see kids today, including my own - anything they pick up, the first thing their imagination tells them is it's a gun, or a sword or some other kind of weapon. Took my kids bowling a couple of weeks ago - a seemingly innocent exercise, until a juggling clown showed up with balloons. And all the little kids there - did they ask for balloon animals or balloon hats - hell no, they all showed up with balloon swords and balloon guns (and shame on mr. juggler for indulging them). So while everyone else was trying to bowl a battle was raging between the children with their guns and swords. Disappoints me that no matter how much I try to steer my children away from guns and weapons and try to encourage them to let their imagination take them another direction, that it still always seems to come back to some form of weapon that's the first thing that grabs their imagination, whether it's LEGOS, a water bottle, a stick or a damn balloon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IED
    This is so complicated it's not funny.

    First of all, teens in general do NOT have the same concept of life and death that adults do. Plain and simple. Intellectually, they understand life and death, but not emotionally. And most teens act off emotions, not intellect. That's why they do a lot of "stupid" dangerous things that adults don't do. I know I had no concept of the finality of death until I was maybe 21. I'd had people that were relatively close die before then and didn't get that upset. There was a maturity process in there that changed the way I felt.

    Second, our society has done a GREAT job desensitizing kids. We are exposing our kids to things that they simply cannot emotionally keep up with. I know the argument about the cartoons when we were growing up, etc., but I can't help but believe that the barrage of violence on TV, video games, computer games, etc. is having an impact. It's pushing reality even further back in their heads. And it makes it worse that the news does nothing but glorify real violence for ratings.

    Third, our society is becoming a me me me me at all costs society, with an instant gratification and entitlement mentality. Deflect any blame or accountability, do what you have to do to get what you want RIGHT NOW. It encourages emotional reactions vs. rational decisions. And parents are refusing to accept the responsibility to teach their kids different.

    Add them all up, and you get a parent hitting an umpire, or a kid grabbing a bat and braining his best friend.

    Shit, I'm barely even scraping the surface of this.

    In my opinion, this is one of the best posts I have ever read, and I could not possible agree more. Your third point is especially right on target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007
    But I see kids today, including my own - anything they pick up, the first thing their imagination tells them is it's a gun, or a sword or some other kind of weapon. .
    We all played army and cowboys and indians as children. This behavior is definitely not unnatural. You sound like a responsible parent, so just instill in them the value of life and the difference between right and wrong.
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