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    I'm pretty sure other people here know this but I just found this out now. This unreleased song from VH III is actually not from VH III at all. It was originally supposed to be a song with Dave from the 96 sessions and it was going to be called Blood from a Stone. Here's a section of an interview with one of DLR's past guitarists. I found it at www.vhnd.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvH_316_5150
    I'm pretty sure other people here know this but I just found this out now. This unreleased song from VH III is actually not from VH III at all. It was originally supposed to be a song with Dave from the 96 sessions and it was going to be called Blood from a Stone. Here's a section of an interview with one of DLR's past guitarists. I found it at www.vhnd.com

    "It will be interesting for Dave's fans to hear what he passed on. Recently we heard a VH song from the 1996 sessions with Dave, but with Gary's vocals. The Dave version was called Blood From A Stone, with Gary it became That's Why I Love You."
    So Gary turned it gay.

    Rumor has there are a few 5150 tracks like that as well (three maybe, what ultimately became "Summer Nights," "Get Up," & "Good Enough?").
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    Wow, thats pretty cool trivia. I think its pretty friggin' interesting to read stuff like this. Like how Can't Get This Stuff No More was original gonna be a Balance track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
    So Gary turned it gay.
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    Sorry, Nick...in this case you are mistaken. Cherone did not make it "gay"...he simply made it incomplete and incomprehensible.

    Beside the fact that it was a half-baked demo to begin with...Ed obviously improved with a superior lyricist, resulting in "Up For Breakfast", don't ya think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
    So Gary turned it gay.

    Rumor has there are a few 5150 tracks like that as well (three maybe, what ultimately became "Summer Nights," "Get Up," & "Good Enough?").

    Actually the unreleased song Act Like it Hurts has tonnes of material that was released during the Sammy years. It has parts of Get Up and the intro to the solo in Amsterdam. And it has parts of Up for Breakfast
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    I believe the VH encyclopedia says that Dave worked on three tracks at the beginning of the 5150 sessions, but not which ones or if they were re-worked at all into something else.
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    Interesting, I'd never heard that TWILY was originally presented to Dave in '96. Speaking of the songs they did for BOV1, I think it's funny that people say they're better than anything done with Sammy when the music for CGTSNM was a leftover from Balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Halen
    Interesting, I'd never heard that TWILY was originally presented to Dave in '96. Speaking of the songs they did for BOV1, I think it's funny that people say they're better than anything done with Sammy when the music for CGTSNM was a leftover from Balance.
    Ed kind of confuses me. He says he's got gobs upon gobs of tape of stuff laying around 5150, but CGTSNM is a leftover, so is TWILY, Right Now and others are on Valerie's movies, "Crossing Over" is the melody to "Love Walks In" over and over, "Dirty Water Dog" is "Stompin' 8H," the TOTW riff is the end of "Jump," and I'm sure there's more I'm missing that I can't think of.

    If he has all these new ideas, why does he keep rehashing older stuff? Is he working his way up? Or are the new ideas basically a completely different direction that the fans would perceive as a diluted representation of the actual VH?
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    I think the "10 albums worth of material" line is just so much hype
    or self delusion. He may have 10 hours worth of jams, but as any
    writer gtrist will tell you, they have a vernacular of riffs and licks that
    they kick and carry around for years (sometimes) before they find a
    home. It's unrealistic to think people write an entire new album everytime
    from point zero. How the material surfaces or is ultimately treated has
    a lot to do with (in Ed's case) the singer he's working with at the time
    and how they respond to it. Sometimes an artist looses interest in his own
    ideas only to return to them later.

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    mistere,

    I think that's a pretty good assessment of it all. I just find it odd that for all the stuff he claims to write, he keeps borrowing from stuff he's done in the past. I give him credit, he writes masterpieces. Kinda makes you want to listen closely to some of the older stuff and see if a riff or lick winds up on the next album (if any) and vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk5
    mistere,

    I think that's a pretty good assessment of it all. I just find it odd that for all the stuff he claims to write, he keeps borrowing from stuff he's done in the past. I give him credit, he writes masterpieces. Kinda makes you want to listen closely to some of the older stuff and see if a riff or lick winds up on the next album (if any) and vice versa.
    It is indeed a solid point...there was a phrase attributed to a description of Mozart, which stated: "Good artists borrow, great artists steal".

    Have you ever noticed how the riff to "Black and Blue" resembles AC/DC's "Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution"? Or that "Best of Both Worlds" is actually Kool and the Gang's "Celebrate"?

    Jimmy Page used to reuse his riffs all the time...hell all guitar players do it (me included). Take a song, learn it, then play it backward...viola: something new!

    I agree, the "riff listening game" is cool, and much fun. It's neat to listen to things and find something old, yet new at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig

    Or that "Best of Both Worlds" is actually Kool and the Gang's "Celebrate"?
    I've always thought that! Thank god I'm not just insane and imagining it all along.
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    Yeah, I knew there was a reason I didn't like that song.

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    AC/DC's Highway to Hell also uses the same chord patterns as Best of Both Worlds. About this whole talk about re-using riffs, I would prefer to call it Recycling. I'm sure he doesn't sit there and go well I used this riff in Hear About it Later so I'm gonna use it again in Sucker in a Three Piece. He just plays what fits with the song for that time and it just so happens that he used it in a previous song. But for songs like Jump and Top of the World I think that was something that was at least a little thought out.
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