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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildman View Post
    Think of all of the pain, suffering, and death the galaxy experienced under Palpatine and Vader. What if all of that could be stopped by killing one person? What is you were the only one with the power and ability to kill that one person.

    Luke saw all of that coming about again because of Ben Solo. Luke was the last Jedi. It was his duty to keep the dark side at bay. No one else had his power and ability. The fate of the galaxy was in his hands, so he considered doing the one thing that would ensure Ben Solo would never be another Vader. He sensed Vader could be turned. He always sensed the good in Vader. He doesn't sense that in Ben. It could have ended right there. He didn't do it.

    Luke was a Jedi. He killed millions. Anakin was a Jedi. He killed billions, possibly. Maybe trillions. Ben was training to be a Jedi, and Luke could see a lot of death in his future. I see no problem with Luke seriously contemplating ending the life of the next Vader, or Palpatine. The fact he didn't do it proved he learned everything he needed.

    Since Luke entered the fight he has killed millions. He has lost friends and loved ones. He was never trained to not have attachments. At some point, all of that shit would have to wear down on someone. How could ot not? And since all of the galaxy's turmoil he has experienced is the result of Force users running amok, it makes complete since to me that Luke ended up where he did in TLJ.
    No because as a Jedi Luke would have to confront his nephew face to face,killing him would be the very last resort.

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    Killing people is killing people regardless of the situation. There were some innocent people just doing their jobs on that Death Star. But it was for the greater good of the Galaxy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raldo View Post
    Just finished reading 'Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader'.
    It's taken place right after 'Revenge of the Sith'.
    Very good book!! Fills in some detail between Episodes III and IV.
    That is a good book.

    Really delves into some of the psychological issues that come from being permanently encased in a suit and truly being "more machine than man."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post
    Killing people is killing people regardless of the situation. There were some innocent people just doing their jobs on that Death Star. But it was for the greater good of the Galaxy.
    Yeah, but that's kind of like saying there were innocent people at Auschwitz just doing their job.

    I get that its not that easy to walk away from something like that where you're basically giving yourself a death sentence for refusing to comply. But that's what Luke did in refusing to give in to Palpatine's overtures.

    And Finn did the same which could make his character more compelling if it was done right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post
    Killing people is killing people regardless of the situation. There were some innocent people just doing their jobs on that Death Star. But it was for the greater good of the Galaxy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post
    Killing people is killing people regardless of the situation. There were some innocent people just doing their jobs on that Death Star. But it was for the greater good of the Galaxy.
    Iíd disagree on that notion, killing someone in a war for independence is a far cry from killing someone for $50 in a register

    Innocent people often die in war, but Luke blowing up the Death Star is not murder, itís war, otherwise all our forefathers and soldiers amount to nothing more than murderers
    Thatís different than seeking out one person for confrontation with the thought of killing them to prevent a notion of how evil he would become


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildman View Post
    Think of all of the pain, suffering, and death the galaxy experienced under Palpatine and Vader. What if all of that could be stopped by killing one person? What is you were the only one with the power and ability to kill that one person.

    Luke saw all of that coming about again because of Ben Solo. Luke was the last Jedi. It was his duty to keep the dark side at bay. No one else had his power and ability. The fate of the galaxy was in his hands, so he considered doing the one thing that would ensure Ben Solo would never be another Vader. He sensed Vader could be turned. He always sensed the good in Vader. He doesn't sense that in Ben. It could have ended right there. He didn't do it.
    So Luke, who knew Kylo as little innocent-but-powerful Ben Solo before he trained him, couldn't see the good in him, but Rey, who only knows him by him torturing her and trying to kill her, sees the good in him after a couple of minutes alone with him. I'm sorry I just can't buy that.

    Again, the same thing happened at the end of Jedi. Luke had the opportunity to kill Vader and Palpatine, but he didn't. He stood triumphantly as a Jedi, essentially telling Palpatine that he would rather die a moral death than kill either of them and become that which he so despised.

    If he never had that moment, then your reasoning would make sense to where Luke is when we see him again. However, TLJ basically forgets the last 20 minutes of ROTJ and picks up Luke as a wandering Golden Boy unsure of his own abilities and his place in the universe.

    On top of that, he did it while Ben was sleeping. He was literally going to kill his nephew in cold blood while the kid slept. It seems with the case you laid out he should have followed through because that was the moral thing to do. Obviously even bastardized-TLJ-Luke disagrees with that philosophical equation, because he quickly realizes what a terrible thing that would be. My point is that Luke, based on everything he learned in ROTJ, would have never even considered it in the first place because he already learned that it isn't the answer in ROTJ.

    Since Luke entered the fight he has killed millions. He has lost friends and loved ones. He was never trained to not have attachments. At some point, all of that shit would have to wear down on someone. How could ot not? And since all of the galaxy's turmoil he has experienced is the result of Force users running amok, it makes complete since to me that Luke ended up where he did in TLJ.
    He killed bad people. Is he supposed to be upset about the storm troopers, tie fighter pilots, or Imperial lackeys he killed? If that's the case, the whole OT has to be looked at in an entirely different light. In that lense, all war is evil no matter which side you're on and no killing is ever justified. Not only does that completely ruin the message of the OT, but it destroys the entire Star Wars universe as every "war" in the "stars" should be looked at by the audience as a cascading, depressing narrative about the human condition that we are all inherently evil.

    If that's what Star Wars has become....well...fuck dat.
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