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    Default DvD Audio & SACD what's it all about?

    Now that I finally have the 7.1 home entertainment system
    (actually I'm currently waiting on the center speaker to complete 5.1, but my receiver can do up to 7.1)
    I am interested in those nifty audio formats.
    I don't have a player for SACD but thought this thread could accommodate both.

    Has anybody purchased either or bought any discs that they could recommend that take advantage of this/these formats and really sound great with the 5.1.

    I did a google but it was a bunch of techno mumble jumble.

    Anybody?
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    I have some SACDs and DVD player that plays them, but the rest of my system isn't true surround sound (I still have an old Pro Logic Dolby Surround receiver), so unfortunately I don't hear much of a difference.
    Aren't the VH remasters SACDs? I'm thinking they are, but I might be wrong.
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    SACD vs. DVD-Audio

    Yeah if you don't have the digital processor and the right combo of speakers you certainly won't hear the benefit of either SACD or DvD Audio.

    As far as the VH catalog I'm not sure, that's kinda why I started this thread to get the discsuuion going for any audiophile here at the links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P1
    I have some SACDs and DVD player that plays them, but the rest of my system isn't true surround sound (I still have an old Pro Logic Dolby Surround receiver), so unfortunately I don't hear much of a difference.
    Aren't the VH remasters SACDs? I'm thinking they are, but I might be wrong.
    The VH remasters are HDCD (High Definition Compatible Digital) - the master tape is transferred to a digital encoder/decoder at 20 bits and it's compatible with CD/DVD players.

    I think DVD-A is going to outlast SACDs - more options for different formats on one DVD. I've been creating DVD-A on my computer (2 channel, 24 bit, 192 kHz format only - I need to invest more time to do 5.1 properly), and I've noticed a substantial difference between my DVD-A and the original source tape or CD. As well, I use Izotope Ozone 3 to tweak the songs before finalizing my project. Save money and get Ozone 3 if you're doing home recordings.

    The format a person chooses to invest in is a matter of personal taste. You hear a new format and you go "WOW, I've never heard the cymbals to be so crisp... there's a bass playing in that song!"

    It's the same with lossy compression - I hate the mp3 format - I thought it was great when I used it for archiving my collection of 70 CDs onto 15 CDs. Now, I use wma pro 9.1.
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    Best Buy has a few of each,
    Borders has none, at least I couldn't find 'em
    amazon.com, I could find any links
    google had a bunch of places in NY willing to sell'em but I don't know who I'm buying from.
    I'm gettting the impression not many bands are going thru the trouble of recording in a 5.1 or > typr foirmat. Must cast bank.

    I found one site listeing the Eagles Hotel CAlifornia as it's best seller as it apperntly sounds the best in 5.1 or

    Sammy has his recent live one? But I already got it? Would it sound that much beter to warrant spending another 20 dollar bill?

    Anybody have any suggestions of which DvD audio to buy first?
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    I have two DVD-As, Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" and Fleetwood Mac's "Say You Will".

    But I don't have all the hi-tech crap. I guess there's a difference over a regular CD. For ME I don't think all those formats are worth it if you have to have all this special equipment.

    Plus I'd rather just listen to the CD in the CD player rather than stick a DVD-A into the DVD player.

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    Hey Mas, good to hear from ya,
    it's true you'll hear no difference if your not running the signal thru one of these nifty receivers.
    but it's not really "all this special equipment" anymore.
    It's more like standard equipment
    in that you can purchase these surround sound systems
    for just a few hundred bucks.

    I had this 20+-year-old Sony receiver
    with four speakers plugged in to it.
    It died severall months ago.

    I replaced it with a $300 Sony.
    Added a sub and a center speaker—and WOW,
    It's so frickin awesome.
    I wish I had done this sooner.

    I watched a concert on DVD last night,
    it was mastered in 5.1
    and the sound made me feel like I was right there in the middle of the crowd.
    It sounded really cool.

    I willing to bet your copy of Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours"
    will sound really great in a system that's dialed in.
    It's like hearing in 3D,
    but without the funky glasses
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    Atleast all the "classic" recordings by Bob Dylan and the Rolling Stones have been released as SACD versions.

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    Currently listening to Tom Petty & Heartbreakers: Live on the Soundstage.
    It's a PBS produced HiDefinition video with 5.1 sound.
    Sounds really good.

    This is what VH needs to do, IMO.
    That's record a live performance on a soundstage up-close and personal.
    Much like they did on the Jon Stewart show.
    Not sure it needs to be in Hi-Def but imagine VanHalen in 5.1?
    I like that idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabot


    Currently listening to Tom Petty & Heartbreakers: Live on the Soundstage.
    It's a PBS produced HiDefinition video with 5.1 sound.
    Sounds really good.

    This is what VH needs to do, IMO.
    That's record a live performance on a soundstage up-close and personal.
    Much like they did on the Jon Stewart show.
    Not sure it needs to be in Hi-Def but imagine VanHalen in 5.1?
    I like that idea
    Unfortunately there isn't such thing as Hi-Def DVD yet. But it will be here later this year. Probably around December '05. If it shows up as widescreen on your widescreen TV it just means that it is 16x9 anamorphic widescreen. But that's still pretty damn good too!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabot
    Now that I finally have the 7.1 home entertainment system
    (actually I'm currently waiting on the center speaker to complete 5.1, but my receiver can do up to 7.1)
    I am interested in those nifty audio formats.
    I don't have a player for SACD but thought this thread could accommodate both.

    Has anybody purchased either or bought any discs that they could recommend that take advantage of this/these formats and really sound great with the 5.1.

    I did a google but it was a bunch of techno mumble jumble.

    Anybody?

    I wish I had more time to answer this question but I'm just about to head out the door and thought I would give you my thoughts. I work in audio/video as a profession and consumer electronics is my HUGE hobby. I have a DVD/SACD player and bought it for one sole reason. SACD is far superior to DVD-Audio in both the human ear and by specs. I have a few SACD discs and as long as you have a 5.1 capable receiver with 5.1 analog inputs you are golden. Your SACD player should have 5.1 analog outputs that will go directly to your receiver. If you need help with this, reply and I'll hit you up with some pictures and more info later.
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    I'm a DVD-A fan. I own two Frank Zappa DVD-A's and both sound amazing in surround sound. DTS is doing very cool things with sound. It's worth upgrading for.

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    Thanks evans5150, I think many of us here LOVE music and would also love to learn how to get the most bang out of our system. That's why I created this thread. I see this as a place to learn about A/V gadgets and also to review which systems work best. Perhaps an occasional review of a high end disc either in SACD or DVD-A.

    My Sony STR-DE697 is hooked to:
    two Bose 201 series up front,
    two Bose 141 series in back,
    the Bose VCS-10 center
    and a Sony 100 watt powered sub.

    I have a Sony DVP-NS315 DVD/CD player (connected via coaxial)
    and the Sony CDP-CX455 CD player (connected via RCA).

    As far as the HiDef, it's only something that's mentioned on the liner notes as how it was origianlly recorded. If for anything else, it tells me only the finest glass, cameras and sound recording systems were employed in production. Visually it's moot as I don't have a HiDef TV.

    When ya've got sometime, I'd love to learn more and I'm sure others will add to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabot
    Thanks evans5150, I think many of us here LOVE music and would also love to learn how to get the most bang out of our system. That's why I created this thread. I see this as a place to learn about A/V gadgets and also to review which systems work best. Perhaps an occasional review of a high end disc either in SACD or DVD-A.

    My Sony STR-DE697 is hooked to:
    two Bose 201 series up front,
    two Bose 141 series in back,
    the Bose VCS-10 center
    and a Sony 100 watt powered sub.

    I have a Sony DVP-NS315 DVD/CD player (connected via coaxial)
    and the Sony CDP-CX455 CD player (connected via RCA).

    As far as the HiDef, it's only something that's mentioned on the liner notes as how it was origianlly recorded. If for anything else, it tells me only the finest glass, cameras and sound recording systems were employed in production. Visually it's moot as I don't have a HiDef TV.

    When ya've got sometime, I'd love to learn more and I'm sure others will add to this thread.

    Thanks

    Cabot,

    Great setup you have there! I am a Sony man myself. I call it the Volkswagon of electronics. Sony, just like VW, is a very reliable brand. It works and usually out-performs all others in its $ class without too many bells and whistles too get lost on the consumer. I personally own the following:

    Sony Receiver (STR-DE845, 5.1 with 100w per channel)
    Technics Speakers (2 front with 12 inch woofers, 2 rear and center: I have no sub because I listen to a LOT more music than watch movies and I like my front speakers to re-create the bass) Soon to be upgraded to Paradigm brand 5.1 surround with a sub AND 2 eight inch woofers in each front channel.
    Sony DVD/SACD player (DVP-NS775V)
    Sony 200 CD Changer
    Sony 46inch Hi-Def Widescreen TV

    About the Hi-Def stuff...here is a quick bit of information. Yes..having a DVD that was originally shot in Hi-Def will look slightly better when watched on a Hi-Def television. Hi-Def means it was originally shot in either 720p or 1080i. Unfortunately, the highest in terms of lines that can be displayed by DVD is 480p (only with a progressive scan capable DVD player run through a digital television). The common misconception is that digital and hi-def are the same thing. They are very different. A digital television is a platform. Hi-Definition is a format. Having a digital television means that in 99% of the time you can watch Hi-Def on that set if you have the right setup. Digital TV's made before 1997 (very few) might not be capable. No one really needs to worry about this.

    When it comes down to the Tom Petty DVD you have, it will most likely look better on my TV than one that was shot using digital cameras in 4:3 format using 480i. Again...something shot in 1080i (hi-def) and played back on a progressive scan DVD player is being DOWN-CONVERTED to 480p.

    I really wish that I could find a definitive website that would tell me if a concert DVD is 16x9 anamorphic (which means it is enhanced to fill up the screen on 16x9 televisions). I really enjoy these concert DVD's the most. A couple that I have include:

    Clapton's Crossroads Guitar Festival (Another person in another thread on here told me it WASN'T Anamorphic and I bought it anyways only to find out it WAS!! A pleasant surprise!)
    Godsmack: Changes
    Godsmack: Live
    The Band: The Last Waltz
    Steely Dan: Two Against Nature

    Amd I'll soon be adding the Tom Petty DVD. Can you tell me if it says 16x9 anamorphic anywhere in the specs? Thanks.

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    TP specs = spect Ratio 4X3

    Good info about the Hi-Def stuff,
    you boiled down and spoke easy with what can be very tecnical.
    Makes a lot os sense about downgrading the format.

    I'm surprised you not running a sub, I think it alls that all too important foundation. I like how I can turn it down or even just tell the receiver not to use it all with a simple push of a button.

    I debated getting the STR-DE845, mine too is 100 watts/channel but yours is defintely a better amp. I had read the reivews and the 697 was alraedy three times the amp of what I was replacing. So again dollar for dollar Sony the one.
    BTW I replaces a 22 year old Sony receiver.

    I've ruled out buying some DVD over another simply on its sound mix. If it's a sound fest compared to an older film that only has Dolby 2.0 It's an easy choice.

    I only regret that I hadn't upgraded sooner.

    Do they make a DVD player that reads the following:
    DVD, CD, video cd, mp3 and SACD?
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