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    ON ALL COUNTS...

    I cant believe it took the jury 9 days of deliberating to convict this guy. Did you see him shaking after they found him guilty. His life has gotta suck right now!
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    If they put him in General Population, he will soon completely understand how that little girl felt when he forcibly molested of her. And I can't tell you how happy that would make me. Worthless piece of SH*T.
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    What is more interesting is the voting poll on www.nbc739.com (our local NBC station in San Diego). The online poll shows that 1 out of 5 people feel the verdict is incorrect.

    I am not sure that they are arguing his guilt in the murder charge, rather the guilt on the kidnapping charge (which there was little to no proof).

    Personally, I may be getting some faith back in our legal system...

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    Yeah, I was watching it this morning as well. I saw him shaking like he was sitting on a block of ice.

    The jury took that long because they wanted to make a sure and rightful decision, they didn't want to rush it and be accused of making a guilty verdict just because it's what everyone wanted.

    Personally, I feel he's guilty to a point, because the prosecution was never able to establish that he was in fact in the house. No evidence was ever brought forth to make that a point. I feel, and so do many others I've spoken with at work, that someone else was involved and he's taking the fall.

    And, I'll probably get blasted for this, but Danielle's parents weren't exactly Mr. & Mrs. Brady. They should've taken more responsibility for their kids, rather than partake in their "alternate lifestyle". I know that before my wife and go to bed each night, we check on our children several times, rather than put them to bed and not bother with them until the next morning. But, obviously, smoking pot and trying to get a threesome going was more important.
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    Originally posted by Vince G.:
    Personally, I feel he's guilty to a point, because the prosecution was never able to establish that he was in fact in the house. No evidence was ever brought forth to make that a point. I feel, and so do many others I've spoken with at work, that someone else was involved and he's taking the fall.
    C’mon, Vince G.. This issue that you mention is a fallacious one, as it doesn’t have any bearing on determining the guilt or innocence of Westerfield. Not being able to prove that Westerfield was in the house is somewhat persuasive in providing some doubt of his guilt when taken by itself. But what about the rest of the solid, voluminous evidence against him? When all of this evidence is analyzed together, the odds of Westerfield being innocent are astronomical. I’d say we’d have a better chance of seeing Elvis, Adolf Hitler and Amelia Earhart sitting in front-row seats at a 2003 Van Halen reunion pay-per-view concert that takes place at a brand-new stadium on the planet Jupiter and includes DLR, Sammy and Gary each taking turns fronting the band. Yes, this is hyperbole on my part but you get my point.

    Here is just some of the key evidence:

    </font>
    • Westerfield bought Girl Scout cookies from Danielle just days before she vanished. </font>
    • DNA tests showed that drops of Danielle’s blood were on Westerfield’s jacket;</font>
    • Danielle’s blood, hair and fingerprints were found inside Westerfield’s motor home;</font>
    • Two days after Danielle vanished, Westerfield arrived in his motor home to drop off the bloodstained jacket, two comforters and two pillow covers at a dry cleaners; and</font>
    • Westerfield had illegal kiddie porn on his computer (How many people who are NOT pedophiles can say this?).
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    As I said, a couple of these items by themselves look innocuous and are not terribly persuasive other than to prove Westerfield and Danielle came in contact with one another. However, when all of this evidence is taken as a whole, there is absolutely no way this guy didn’t do it.
    I’d also add that if under your theory “that someone else was involved and (Westerfield’s) taking the fall”, then that doesn’t absolve Westerfield of any culpability in Danielle’s death. That is, if you’re saying that Westerfield had some role in the crime but was not alone in carrying it out. After all, he’s still not telling the authorities whom “else was involved,” if your theory is to be believed. Moreover, why wouldn’t Westerfield simply sell out his non-existent partner in crime to law enforcement authorities, especially when his life lies in the balance? For turning evidence on this imaginary partner, Westerfield could’ve probably convinced the prosecutors to only give him life in prison with the possibility for parole or even a 25-year sentence for his role in their heinous crime. But let’s not forget that there is virtually no other evidence linking anyone else to Danielle’s death, much less the mountain of evidence linking Westerfield that I listed above. At some point, the rule of Occam’s Razor, which basically says that simplest of two or more competing theories is nearly always the correct one, has to kick in. Westerfield did this crime alone and will rot in Hell because of it.

    Originally posted by Vince G.:
    And, I'll probably get blasted for this, but Danielle's parents weren't exactly Mr. & Mrs. Brady. They should've taken more responsibility for their kids, rather than partake in their "alternate lifestyle". I know that before my wife and go to bed each night, we check on our children several times, rather than put them to bed and not bother with them until the next morning. But, obviously, smoking pot and trying to get a threesome going was more important.
    I won’t blast you for this opinion. I find the type of behavior and parenting exhibited by the Van Dam’s disgusting and abhorrent, but it still doesn’t give some douche bag like Westerfield the right to kill their child. I’m very much in opposition to the blame-the-victim mentality that permeates our society today. Being bad parents is irresponsible and they should shoulder some responsibility for contributing on some level – no matter how large or small – to the abduction and death of their child. Hey, if you act like and/or associate with low lifes (which they did briefly with Westerfield), bad things are more apt to occur. But it doesn’t make Westerfield any less of a piece of shit for doing what he did.

    I hope the bastard gets the death penalty, though I’m inclined to believe that since he’s in a state like California, which is known for its off-the-wall legal decisions and its misplace compassion, Westerfield will receive life in prison without parole. Either way, there is no way this son of a bitch is going to ever be a free man ever again, which is a very good thing. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
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    Romeo, I'm not saying he's not guilty at all. It's kinda hard to dispute DNA and someone else's blood in your mobile home, house, garage, what have you. I'm just saying that I'm not alone in the fact or theory that he did have some sort of help in this matter. Right now, out here in San Diego, there are a lot of people that are divided in the verdict. I, for one, do think he did it, but there has been NO evidence, at all, that proved he was in fact in their house. The prosecution was never able to prove that point. Thus, unless he grew wings that night and flew into her bedroom, he had to have had some assistance in this. Fuck the death penalty. I'm all for that, but I wish he would be released into general population once he reaches prison, but it won't happen. As a father, that would make me feel much better rather than knowing he's sitting on death row, using his appeals and wasting the taxpayer's money taking up space in a cell. Let someone shank his ass, so he get a taste of what he put that little girl through.
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    Originally posted by Vince G.:
    Romeo, I'm not saying he's not guilty at all. It's kinda hard to dispute DNA and someone else's blood in your mobile home, house, garage, what have you. I'm just saying that I'm not alone in the fact or theory that he did have some sort of help in this matter. Right now, out here in San Diego, there are a lot of people that are divided in the verdict. I, for one, do think he did it, but there has been NO evidence, at all, that proved he was in fact in their house. The prosecution was never able to prove that point. Thus, unless he grew wings that night and flew into her bedroom, he had to have had some assistance in this. Fuck the death penalty. I'm all for that, but I wish he would be released into general population once he reaches prison, but it won't happen. As a father, that would make me feel much better rather than knowing he's sitting on death row, using his appeals and wasting the taxpayer's money taking up space in a cell. Let someone shank his ass, so he get a taste of what he put that little girl through.
    Overall, we are in agreement –- Westerfield was obviously involved in this murder and should suffer painfully because of it. But I'm still dumbfounded by this idea expressed by you (and others in San Diego, apparently) that because there was no physical evidence that he was in the Van Dam's house that he must of have had help with the abduction. That's a giant leap in logic IMO -– and I think it’s this type of faulty logic that resulted in the jury taking as long as they did before they came up with the right and just verdict.

    First, I don't know what physical evidence you would expect someone to leave who isn't bleeding and consciously doesn't touch virtually anything in the house. Isn't it even more likely that Westerfield was careful not to leave any physical evidence of consequence behind when he abducted Danielle, who didn’t resist because she recognized him? Or that he left some minor physical evidence in the house but it was not recovered because it was destroyed (ex. fingerprints were smudged by others in the house) or was simply missed by forensic examiners? Second, where is the physical evidence from this so-called accomplice(s)? This whole theory espoused by you and other San Diego residents is based on the fact that no physical evidence exists in the Van Dam house against Westerfield but you then manufacture an accomplice or accomplices with ZERO physical evidence they even exist at all, much less were in the Van Dam house themselves. IMO, that’s simply ridiculous and nonsensical.

    Some things are just the way they seem -– i.e. Westerfield did this heinous crime all by himself -– without anyone needing to resort to intellectual gymnastics so they can accept this spurious theory. To me, critical thinking and the analyses of all the other damning evidence in the case makes this whole point about the lack of physical evidence against Westerfield in the Van Dam house moot. But if you want to believe that Westerfield is willing to face the death penalty and let this so-called accomplice(s) roam the streets freely without facing the law, too, then I have a bridge I’d like to sell you. It would have to be one of the first times someone was convicted of murder and could face the death penalty but refused to rat out their accomplice(s), which could result in them receiving a lighter punishment (ex. avoiding the death penalty). After all, cowardly people who murder children simply aren’t known for their honor -- but they are usually known for their self-preservation skills.
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    Originally posted by Vince G.:
    But, obviously, smoking pot and trying to get a threesome going was more important.
    There is a time for all of that.....
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    Here is just some of the key evidence:

    </font>
    • DNA tests showed that drops of Danielle’s blood were on Westerfield’s jacket;</font>
    • Danielle’s blood, hair and fingerprints were found inside Westerfield’s motor home;</font>
    • Two days after Danielle vanished, Westerfield arrived in his motor home to drop off the bloodstained jacket, two comforters and two pillow covers at a dry cleaners; and</font>
    • Westerfield had illegal kiddie porn on his computer (How many people who are NOT pedophiles can say this?).
      </font>
    As I said, a couple of these items by themselves look innocuous and are not terribly persuasive other than to prove Westerfield and Danielle came in contact with one another. However, when all of this evidence is taken as a whole, there is absolutely no way this guy didn’t do it.
    I’d also add that if under your theory “that someone else was involved and (Westerfield’s) taking the fall”, then that doesn’t absolve Westerfield of any culpability in Danielle’s death. That is, if you’re saying that Westerfield had some role in the crime but was not alone in carrying it out. After all, he’s still not telling the authorities whom “else was involved,” if your theory is to be believed. Moreover, why wouldn’t Westerfield simply sell out his non-existent partner in crime to law enforcement authorities, especially when his life lies in the balance? For turning evidence on this imaginary partner, Westerfield could’ve probably convinced the prosecutors to only give him life in prison with the possibility for parole or even a 25-year sentence for his role in their heinous crime. But let’s not forget that there is virtually no other evidence linking anyone else to Danielle’s death, much less the mountain of evidence linking Westerfield that I listed above. At some point, the rule of Occam’s Razor, which basically says that simplest of two or more competing theories is nearly always the correct one, has to kick in. Westerfield did this crime alone and will rot in Hell because of it.
    Wow.

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    There is a lot of talk here about the evidence of whether Westfield was in the house, but in fact that may be irrelevant to the issue. Danielle may have been called from outside and she may have left the home herself, for all anyone knows. It does not change any of the charges. As I understand it (keep in mind I am NOT an attorney), in CA, to be in “possession” of a minor without that minor’s legal guardians consent (the parents in this case) can constitute kidnapping. Based on that, you can make some logical deductions.

    Did Westerfield murder Danielle? Most everyone is in agreement with a “yes.”

    Did he kidnap Danielle? If he did indeed murder Danielle, then it can be presumed that at some time, if even for a moment, that he was in possession of Danielle when she was alive. Even if the &lt;I&gt;Vince G. conspiracy theory&lt;/I&gt; is correct (there were others involved), Westerfield still was in possession of Danielle, without guardian consent, at some time.

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    The sad truth here is that these parents did put their daughter in harms way. The wife ran into the
    CREEP at bar while she was out looking for men and women to bring home for their orgy. They danced together. Somehow it was made known to him that this would be a good night for him to get to the little girl. Perhaps he was invited to the love fest, went home to freshen up, was on his way to the party (all hot and horney) and ran into lil Danielle, who was looking for Mommy or Daddy...Maybe she needed a drink of water or heard a noise...who knows? But I do believe that if the mother and father were not doing what they were doing, Mr Evil would not have found his way to poor lil Danielle. Perhaps he was a time bomb ticking and lil Danielle was sacrificed in order to save countless others from facing this devil.
    It's not their fault but I think it could have been prevented if they were not living the lifestyle they were living. If I were them, I'd be living in shame and remorse for the rest of my life!
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    Originally posted by theodore templeman:
    Wow.

    Didn't OJ Simpson teach you anything?
    I assume that since you quoted my post this response is directed at me. But I can’t figure what point you are trying to make? Whether that jury convicted or acquitted Westerfield, I would’ve still held the position that all the evidence showed he was obviously guilty – a point I thought I made abundantly clear by using sound logic and reasoning in my earlier posts in this thread.

    So are you saying that you believe the conspiracy theory about O.J. as well as the theory being espoused by Vince G. about Westerfield? Or are you implying that despite all the damning evidence, the jury may have acquitted Westerfield, like they did O.J.? If it’s the first point that you are trying to make, then I have to question your sanity and judgment. If it’s the latter point that you are trying to make, then I admit that I also feared that the jury would let the bastard walk. After all, did they really need a week and a half to make this obvious decision?

    Overall, the only thing the O.J. case taught me is that off-the-wall theories may be persuasive to juries that are motivated by race, comprised of mental midgets and utilize some ridiculous form of jury nullification. Thankfully, the jury in the Westerfield case didn't fall for the idiocy presented in court by the defense attorneys, as they made the right decision. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
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    shit like this makes me not want to have kids because of all these freaks

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