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    "Star Wars: Episode II" - A Review by 'Ali' (Very Positive, Frequent Minor Spoilers)

    By all accounts, Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace was a disappointment. Sure the mind-blowing effects were there; weird aliens roamed the screen; the action sequences were dazzling; Duel of the Fates a revelation in film music. Was all that enough? For many, the answer was no. Oh yes sir, just like Lucas promised us all those years ago, we did at last see what the Jedi did in their prime. And we realised that they led pretty damn boring lives. The sense of fun was gone, the feeling of a boy’s own adventure that would make Mark Twain blush was non-existent.

    All this is now a thing of the past with Attack of the Clones. Unless Lucas et al somehow manage to fuck this up royally, this film will be remembered as the true Episode I to the Star Wars saga.

    The story is simple, yet intriguing and grabbing at the same time. It has been ten years since the events of the Naboo conflict. The heroes have all gone their separate ways. Queen Amidala is now a senator to her planet and no longer the reigning monarch. Jar Jar Binks represents the Gungans in the Senate. Palpatine has tried (or has he really???) to reform the Republic, but to no avail. And Obi Wan and Anakin Skywalker have been off in many different adventures and the training of the latter Jedi is still going on, though the padawan is plagued by nightmares about his mother. In the meantime, a once venerable Jedi Master called Count Dooku has left the Jedi Order after the death of Qui Gon Jinn and the Battle of Naboo and, backed by a myriad of corporate forces (some of whom familiar), has taken up the mantle of the leader of a separatist movement including hundreds of star systems whose sole intention is to secede from the Republic: an action that will spell a cert ain doom to the Republic. As the film starts, Padme is on her way to Coruscant (the entire planet is one big city: thank you Mr. Exposition) to vote on a new kind of army that the Republic wants to create in order to deal with a possible armed uprising. The action kicks off the film as there is an assassination attempt at her in which her decoy is killed and which, to the disagreement of all the Jedi and the Chancellor, she believes was organised by Dooku. Chancellor Palpatine decides that the Jedi should provide her with some bodyguards and Obi Wan and Anakin are assigned to the task because of their history with Padme. A second unsuccessful assassination attempt on Padme leads to a massive chase through Coruscant’s heavy traffic and just as the Jedi manage to corner the would-be assassin, she herself is killed by a toxic dart whose origins lead to an obscure planet called Kamino. The Jedi Council to order Anakin to take Padme to Naboo and stay with her until further notice while Ob i Wan is given the assignment to track the origins of this dart. Not all is well though it seems, as Anakin’s nightmares of his mother continues, Obi Wan is suddenly given the responsibility of finding out why there is a massive clone army in Kamino waiting for action that seems to have been, unknowingly to them, ordered by a fictitious leader of the Jedi in the first place…..

    The difference between the second prequel and its lacklustre predecessor is the return to a sense of adventure. The second main asset of the second prequel is the introduction of a new theme in to the Star Wars series: that of the Chandleresque detective story. I will come back to that later but let’s go deal with the feeling of adventure for the time being. In TPM, the characters did not live through adventure till the last scenes of the Battle of Naboo. The two Jedi went to seek the council of, or just plain visited, all sorts of boring parties in different parts of the universe. Attack of the Clones opens with a literal and proverbial bang and it does not let go. After some necessary exposition, the flick throws at us a what promises to be an amazing chase sequence that separates the main characters who each go off in their own different adventures. They are not trying to negotiate a tax deal this time around, they are all in a real sense of danger.

    In an interesting and necessary twist, we are introduced to a completely new villain this time around. The death of Maul in the first prequel obviously foresaw this but it is nevertheless not a traditional Star Wars approach. An obviously very influential new villain in the person of Count Dooku is now the main baddie of the flick and his possible ties with the Sith are not revealed either way until the very end of the movie. Lucas and his co-writer Jonathan Hales do not introduce his character to us until the last third of the film, instead focusing on cryptic dialogue about him between the characters. We hear about this Count Dooku character but his intentions and identity is a complete mystery till later on. It is an interesting approach to tackle a main baddie in any flick and in this film, it pays off delightfully. Once we are introduced to the capabilities of his evil ways and the overall plans in which he and his master plays our heores like the pawns in a che ss game that they are, we cannot let go off him. Christopher Lee is going to be a delight to watch in this role, I am sure.

    The veteran characters from The Phantom Menace also get slightly more to work with. Anakin has developed from his whiny annoying self of TPM into a very, very troubled young man. He manages to take his first step into the wider world of "The Dark Side" in a sequence that is surprisingly macabre yet touching knowing what has happened before and is to happen afterwards to this very character in the centre of the saga. Padme is still feisty and idealistic but this time it is obviously more believable. Her character develops much more than it did previously as the story takes her from her picturesque home to the nadir of the galaxy. The love story angle, one so blatantly pushed to its limits in the trailer for the flick, is quite well handled yet very different to the one in Empire Strikes Back. Anakin wants her and wants her bad whereas Padme does not want to give in to her feelings straight away: she knows that the couple have too big responsibilities to throw their li ves away. In a very Joseph Campbellesque twist, the two travel to hell (with its fiery sun, rocky surface, demon like, ugly inhabitants, the planet Geonosis where the climax of the film takes place is pretty much as close to Hell as anything seen before in Star Wars without naming the fucking place "Inferno") and come through as lovers that will never be split up. Obviously we know what Padme does not but this additional sense of hindsight and "schadenfreude" is what adds to the pleasure of watching this doomed romance. (Pretentious? Moi?)

    Obi Wan and the other Jedi also get do some serious and this time, interesting, Jedi work. Yoda probes the dark side (no pun intended), Mace does some serious conferring with Obi Wan and they both get to whoop some serious ass alongside with about two hundred other Jedi. Obi Wan is, however, the main Jedi in the centre of the flick and this is where the previously mentioned notion of a detective story comes back. This part of the story line is really enjoyable juicy stuff. When Obi Wan is puzzled about the origins of the weapon that kills the first assassin, he takes it to an old contact of his, an ex-mercenary now running an intergalactic seedy burger joint of sorts. Having found out where the thing was made, he now has to locate the planet, and so on, and so on. The story of Obi Wan is truly a very original sequence and I cannot wait to see Macgregor flex his acting muscles tackling the seedy underworld of Coruscant or trying to get to the bottom of the clone conundrum.

    As you could briefly see in the trailer, Jar Jar is not a thing of the past in this flick, though his role has been seriously reduced to that of a background character. Although his actions lead to a major step in the road to the rise of the Empire, he is nevertheless seen for only about ten-fifteen minutes. He does have some silly lines but he is a silly character. Making him spurt out lines that would suit Iago is not necessarily the best way to approach his character, one thinks.

    Two words. Jango Fett. He is a relentless bounty hunter who gives two Jedi Masters a run for their money, has an army of clones based on his essence and is the father to one Boba Fett – though in a very unconventional way. Interestingly enough, he is not a totally evil character. He is a mercenary and clearly wants to have some kind of a family, some kind of a future after he is gone. He gets more screen time than Maul did and rightfully so, he is a very interesting character on his own without the cool gadgets and things he comes with.

    Finally, the action set pieces are going to be as awesome as ever. There is the aforementioned assassination attempts and the chase sequence, three duels, two aerial battles, one massive land battle, three massive monsters – you name it this film has it. This is definetely the most action packed of all the Star Wars films yet. And don’t even get me started on the clones. When they eventually attack, this film is going to look so amazing that any other name except for Attack of the Clones will seem utterly inappropriate…

    This script delivers: it delivers all the things that Lucas promised to with The Phantom Menace but failed. An old fashioned and sometimes cheesy adventure and love story, it was an immensely enjoyable read and I can not wait to see it on the big screen! Well done George, you have, at last, excelled yourself!!!!

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    This gives me hope... I didn't like the trailers I have seen b/c they focused too much on the love story. And limiting Jar Jar to a background character can only be a good thing!

    I hope this review is on the money....

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    WOW, if this is everything the reviewer says it is, this will kick ass the way it is supposed too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

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    Star Wars topics are fun. I just realized a rather careless error in the story line.

    Think back to The Empire Strikes Back...Luke is lounging in the snow after escaping the clutches of the snow beast from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. The ghost of Jacob Marley....OOPS (right actor, wrong movie)....Obi Wan's ghost appears and tells Luke to go to Dagobah, seek Yoda "The Jedi Master that instructed me".

    Now, consider the Phantom Menace. Obi Wan was being taught by whom? Yep-Quaalude Jim, not Yoda. Did Lucas make a little goof? He was so careful to make sure that virtually everything in the original trilogy could be traced back to these new movies, but he let an error like that slip?

    Anyway, as for the review, comparing Lucas to Raymond Chandler just might be accurate; after all, Episode One could have EASILY been called "The Big Sleep".
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    Originally posted by AbeVanHalen:
    Star Wars topics are fun. I just realized a rather careless error in the story line.

    Think back to The Empire Strikes Back...Luke is lounging in the snow after escaping the clutches of the snow beast from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. The ghost of Jacob Marley....OOPS (right actor, wrong movie)....Obi Wan's ghost appears and tells Luke to go to Dagobah, seek Yoda "The Jedi Master that instructed me".

    Now, consider the Phantom Menace. Obi Wan was being taught by whom? Yep-Quaalude Jim, not Yoda. Did Lucas make a little goof? He was so careful to make sure that virtually everything in the original trilogy could be traced back to these new movies, but he let an error like that slip?

    I argued this same point with another geek and he was relentless in saying that Lucas did right by this.
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    Well, then, I guess he wasn't that MUCH of a geek!
    Um....wait a minute....I'm not helping my cause here...



    So, how could Lucas have done right with that? It seems to me to be a glaring error.
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    Maybe in episode III, after annakin becomes darth vader or whenever that happens, obi-wan has to go to Yoda for retraining...

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    May can't come soon enough for me. I actually watched a George Lucas personal biography on A@E last night and it was a very interesting piece. He was a big car nut when he was young and actually came very close to dying when he was crashed into by another car. It's amazing what a twist of fate that turned out to be because he got a second chance at life and look what happened-pretty unbelievable.
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    Originally posted by AbeVanHalen:
    Now, consider the Phantom Menace. Obi Wan was being taught by whom? Yep-Quaalude Jim, not Yoda. Did Lucas make a little goof? He was so careful to make sure that virtually everything in the original trilogy could be traced back to these new movies, but he let an error like that slip?
    Here's my take on it. I'm not a Star wars "geek" and have only seen the movies:

    In the Star Wars universe, potential Jedi Knights are discovered as infants/toddlers and are immediately put under supervision and training by Yoda and the Jedi Council. (Remember when 10-year-old Anakin was before the council in TFM? Didn't Yoda or Mace Windu say something like, "The boy is too old"?) Anyway, as the Jedi trainee grows into his teens/twenties, he is made a padawan to a "veteran" Jedi Knight to get some "real world" experience. After gaining the experience and wisdom he needs, he is declared a full Jedi Knight by the Council and goes on his own or gets an apprentice of his own...
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    Originally posted by ScottRoberts:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by AbeVanHalen:
    Now, consider the Phantom Menace. Obi Wan was being taught by whom? Yep-Quaalude Jim, not Yoda. Did Lucas make a little goof? He was so careful to make sure that virtually everything in the original trilogy could be traced back to these new movies, but he let an error like that slip?
    Here's my take on it. I'm not a Star wars "geek" and have only seen the movies:

    In the Star Wars universe, potential Jedi Knights are discovered as infants/toddlers and are immediately put under supervision and training by Yoda and the Jedi Council. (Remember when 10-year-old Anakin was before the council in TFM? Didn't Yoda or Mace Windu say something like, "The boy is too old"?) Anyway, as the Jedi trainee grows into his teens/twenties, he is made a padawan to a "veteran" Jedi Knight to get some "real world" experience. After gaining the experience and wisdom he needs, he is declared a full Jedi Knight by the Council and goes on his own or gets an apprentice of his own...
    </font>[/QUOTE]Good summary, Scott! Are you sure you're not a SW "geek"?
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    Originally posted by ScottRoberts:
    In the Star Wars universe, potential Jedi Knights are discovered as infants/toddlers and are immediately put under supervision and training by Yoda and the Jedi Council. (Remember when 10-year-old Anakin was before the council in TFM? Didn't Yoda or Mace Windu say something like, "The boy is too old"?) Anyway, as the Jedi trainee grows into his teens/twenties, he is made a padawan to a "veteran" Jedi Knight to get some "real world" experience. After gaining the experience and wisdom he needs, he is declared a full Jedi Knight by the Council and goes on his own or gets an apprentice of his own...
    That theory works better than mine!

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    this was taken off of star-wars.com about yoda:

    Yoda served an important role in the Jedi Council. When young Padawans began their first foray into Jedi training, they did so under Yoda's guidance. Many of the Republic's greatest Jedi trained under Yoda when they were children. Once the Jedi hopefuls grew older, approaching their teenage years, they would then be paired to an elder Jedi Knight or Master to continue training one-on-one.
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    God I hope this is cool. I have been trying very hard to get my son into Star Wars. He is almost 5. So the attention span isn't all there, but I was 5 when the first SW came out. He is lucky because he is into the video games. We will sit and play Rogue Squadron hours at a time.

    I am very excited, TPM was a letdown. Can wait to see it on the big screen.
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    Darth Maul was a decent villian, but they tried to make him look like me, with extra horns.

    I hope the next bad guy is a little more original.

 

 

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