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    A year ago, I got a call from a lady that was from the National Vaccine Compensation Program. I advocate for a lot of families of kids with disabilities and she asked me to help her set up a child in the city I live in. He was 7 years old, severely brain damaged from a vaccine, and is now a millionaire because of it. He will have round the clock care for the rest of his life.
    Today I got an email:

    More Vaccines for California Kids Defeated for First Time



    An historic action was taken this week by the California
    Legislature
    by defeating two bills that would have added six new shots to the
    already
    overcrowded childhood immunization schedule (currently 39 doses of
    various
    vaccines by the age of two years old). The action on Wednesday was the
    first
    time in the history of California that legislation adding new vaccines
    to
    the mandatory childhood immunization list have been defeated. The two
    new
    required immunizations were for Hepatitis A and Prevnar, a vaccine that
    has
    been falsely promoted as an ear ache preventative vaccine. If these two
    vaccines were added to the Childhood Immunization Schedule, it would
    have
    required two doses of Hep A and four doses of Prevnar.
    Both bills passed the State Assembly without opposition and on
    nearly
    unanimous votes. Although strongly supported by the vaccine
    manufacturers
    and the public health community before the Senate Health and Human
    Services
    Committee on Wednesday, it was the testimony of two parents, a mother
    whose
    baby was killed by vaccines, and the father of a vaccine induced
    autistic
    son whose testimony before the committee resulted in the bills failing
    passage. It was a classic case of David vs. Goliath (or in this case
    David
    and Dawn vs. Goliath )!
    The Committee also voted to hold hearings on the bills to
    ascertain if
    there was any justification to subject millions of children in
    California to
    these six new shots, and to establish a scientifically based process to
    review the process and approval of any new vaccine mandates before
    bills are
    introduced to require their use. The Committee has placed a moratorium
    on
    adding any new vaccines until that process has been completed.
    Opposition
    testimony centered on the facts that:
    1. There are over 300 new vaccines in the pipeline;
    2. California children are already subjected to 39 doses of
    vaccines
    by the age of two years old;
    3. That vaccines contain mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum, MSG,
    live
    viruses, killed bacteria, and other potent toxic agents;
    4. That there has never been a single safety study on the
    interaction
    of any of these vaccines or any long term safety studies;
    5. That the need to mandate that all of California's children be
    vaccinated with Hep. A vaccine was unfounded and unnecessary; and
    6. That Prevnar has only been in use for less than one year,
    resulting
    in large numbers of adverse reactions including death.
    * * *

    Anyone here have that many (39) vaccines growing up? I didn't. The government wants to prevent epidemics but are they really preventing one, when California has the highest incidence of autism in the country?
    (A majority of people believe vaccines are the cause) I am on several lists and receive info on vaccines daily but this is a good news bad news post.

    Thought I'd it post it here for discussion or just FYI [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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    um, let me mention that vaccines contain the viruses and bacteria so the body develops antibodies for them, that's how they are vaccines (know you know that) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

    um, i'm taking a liberal approach, in that i think that the vaccines are important,however 39 before they turn two is too much, too fast. i think it shows. i don't know how people become autistic, i thought that it was a birth thing. maybe you can explain that one angel. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

    i know that i didn't have that many vaccines growing up, but i got a meningitis and hep B vaccine this year. and measles, and tetanus 3 years ago.

    i think that if the 39 vaccines were spread out over ten years, i think that they would be most beneficial. quite simply though, 39 over two years is pretty unsafe.

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    Yeah, that doesn't sound particularly safe to me either. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

    Thanks for the info though, Angel. Very good food for thought for those of us without children as well. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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    ANGEL4U my girlfriend actually told me something about this the other day. She is advocator/organizer for a non-profit that helps the low income.

    Sound brutal. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]
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    What are all those vaccines for? Sounds like some of those politicians own stock in the drug companies.

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    Maybe they'll just add Ritalin to the list of needed injections-get 'em started on it right away. They toss out prescriptions for that crap like it's candy.

    I've seen the results of kids on Ritalin. I have no degree in medicine or psychology, but I have eyes and ears, and those kids are TERRIBLY fucked up by that shit, and it ought to be outlawed.

    California will probably start including it in their shipments of FlintSTONED vitamins.
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    Ihave always made my own decisions about which vaccines my kids have gotten... some of which I have refused to let them have (the new Chicken pox vaccine is one of them. Ijust felt it was too new and that we didn't have enough research on it to know what the side effects may be). I think a vaccine for ear aches is ridiculous. My kids never had a problem with ear aches and have never needed a vaccine for them. I think parents should research vaccines before just turning the decision over to a dr. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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    laner, most families with autistic children believe it was brought on by specifically the MMR...though the Pertussis has a part, also. Sure vaccines are good for some things, but what's wrong with letting the body develop it's own natural immunity? Chicken Pox, ear infection, roto-virus, just to name a few should be trashed, MMR-they should go back to the way they did this before, separate all three, and space out the innoculations. When they combined the MMR into one shot, autism increased dramatically, and to this day, is higher than ever (maybe because they developed more vaccines to mess with the brain.)
    Also, someone mentioned about higher ups having stock in the drug companies, I deleted that article, but yes, some do.

    I just got this today:

    Cleric to Chair MMR Inquiry

    [By Fraser Nelson.] http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,...222983,00.html

    A clergyman is to head an inquiry into whether separate measles,
    mumps
    and rubella vaccines should be offered in Scotland as an alternative to
    the
    combined MMR injection.
    The Very Rev Graham Forbes, Provost of St Mary’s Cathedral, Edinburgh,
    will
    lead a review group set up by the Scottish Executive to address fears
    that
    there is a link between MMR and autism.
    His main task will be to consider whether MMR should be given by
    a
    different system to the combined vaccine, including whether Scotland
    should
    be the only country in the UK to offer single vaccines under licence.
    This
    could lead to a two-tier system with English parents bringing their
    children
    to Scottish private clinics and paying about 250 for single vaccines.
    At
    present, some British parents have their children vaccinated by a
    French
    clinic at a cost of 300.
    Mr Forbes will be asked to present his findings in a dossier of
    easily
    understandable evidence. “We plan to make our report transparent and
    accessible. This is why it is not being chaired by a scientist,” an
    Executive spokesman said. “So far, the research has been conducted by
    clinicians and epidemiologists.”
    Mr Forbes, 50, who speaks fluent Russian, has been Provosot for
    11
    years and is a member of the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission.
    Susan Deacon, the Health Minister, said yesterday that her
    objective
    was to persuade parents that there was no danger in the MMR vaccine and
    no
    need to change the current system. Although MMR take-up runs at 90 per
    cent
    in Scotland, against 88 per cent in England, it has fallen sharply —
    causing
    great concern among MSPs. Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd
    * * *

    The UK has a high rate of autism, also.
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    Man, that's something Angel. Talk about giving your kids shots! 39 does seem outrageous.

    I have a friend who has three children. One of them, their second child appeared normal at birth and seemed to be developing normally. She received a vaccination (parents believe it was the single dose MMR) and suddenly she changed...they've now diagnosed her as autistic, and she's in classes for children with special needs. Their doctor contends that most children with autism don't present with obvious symptoms until right about the time that theier daughter did, and refuses to accept or aknowledge the cause and effect relationship between her symptoms and the vaccination. I think it should be examined...

    BUT...(having worked in the pharmaceutical business for 8 years), some argue that it hasn't been proven safe in children. My question is this: Who, or what parent in their right mind would allow their child to be part of a clinical trial to examine if vaccines can contribute to or cause autism? Not many...that'd be my guess. YET...any parent who allows their child to receive all of those vaccines without checking into them is in fact ALLOWING their child to be a guiney pig...and most aren't even aware of it, believing that if the doctors endorse it or the government endorses it as necessary for my child to be healthy, then it must be...when in fact it isn't medically necessary and may cause harm.

    Good for your porn*chick in actively participating in your child's vaccination program.
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    to think that there are studies going on with kids today that we don't know about is scary.
    anyway, i don't know enough about how autism is caused and what actually happens to really say anything. this is really food for thought though.

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    My boy is almost 10 months old and has had 6 shots...all the standard stuff...39...NO WAY IN THE WORLD!!!

    Someone mentioned Ritalin...I'm an elementary age teacher, so lemme tell you about Ritalin...It is pure crap...It is a multi-billion dollar business and kids don't need it...

    I see Ritalin used on kids, mostly boys, which is EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT, who are just...BOYS...Rambunctious, goofy, immature, loud, and rough...This is BOYHOOD, not a disease which requires drugs!!

    If the body can't develop natural immunities, it will eventually be destroyed because its immune system cannot fight disease. Sound familiar? It should, because there is a large and growing number of RESPECTED scientists who believe that AIDS is caused by drugs because drugs and lack of nutrition and sleep destroy the immune system.

    Here's something scary about AZT...AZT used to be used in either cancer or leukemia treatment. It was TAKEN OFF SHELVES because AZT stops cell growth...not JUST the cancerous cells...I have read and heard of numerous stories where people have gone OFF the "cocktail" and resumed normal lives...WITHOUT HIV! Most notably, Magic Johnson...NO DETECTABLE HIV IN HIS BODY!!

    I am so glad to see the parents, and non-parents, concerned about this...I always come back to two thoughts when discussing drugs and kids...#1-Where is the money going and how much is there? #2-When did these new maladies come about that need all these drugs? The last 10 years? 20? Kids are being stuffed full of so much unnecessary crap and I will not be surprised when it IS conclusively revealed that a vaccine caused childhood illness...again...
    Can't stop...addicted to the shindig...

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    Angel- It seems almost overwhelmingly apparent that MMR is the cause of the drastic increase in pre-teen autism due to the lead.

    Sacto, on the other side of the coin with Ridilin (which I also think is the MOST over prescribed thing in the entire world) I have a brother who is 18 that is what we thought was a complete moron. Last year, he was thought to have ADD and tried ridilin....he was a completely different person, like night/day. All in a sudden his synaps's were bridged making his concentration remarkably more focused. Its like he is in the same room now when your talking to him. Its a bridge drug for the synap's and neurons in the brain. Some folks is just short on that I guess, and this drug helps him. So I guess it keeps your synaps's from sinnin and your Neurons from...neuronating?? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] LOL [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

    Anywhoo, it works for him, but its still completely overprescribed. I know some folks whose kid is slightly ADD and they give him coffee in the morning to level him out since it has the opposite effect on kids. Seems to work ok, and it keeps him off of prescriptions.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SactoFan:

    If the body can't develop natural immunities, it will eventually be destroyed because its immune system cannot fight disease.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I've always been under the impression that live vaccines use a weakened version of a virus (that may not be the right term) to teach the immune system how to fight it.

    I remember going through basic training, and getting an awful lot of immunizations. A lot of us felt like shit for a few days afterwards. I'm glad I seperated from the military prior to being innoculated against anthrax. While I doubt the Pentagon would spend millions without good reason, the early stages of that program were an absolute cluster fuck.

    I've never been big on things like flu shots, either. When I have gotten them, I always get a mild case of the flu. I'm a young, healthy guy and I don't have to worry about complications stemming from the flu killing me. I think we're just encouraging stronger, more potent versions of viruses to develope. The evolution of previously non-lethal viruses in a very scary thought.

    I'm all in favor of some things like polio being wiped out by vaccinations, but we don't need to try that with everything. Take chicken pox. Most everyone gets it once. It's not terribly threatening, and vaccinating against it seems like a waste of resources.

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    no shit. definately.
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    Medical costs per year in the US is greater than all the military and Pentagon spending COMBINED, which is roughly a trillion dollars. Yet among western industrialized nations, we are listed 17th (in terms of healthiness and lifespan) by the WHO. That means something is sorely lacking in our medical fields. Specifically, people are customers, not patients.

    Consider the American farmer raising livestock. They have animals that need to be raised in as good as health as possible, with as close to a 100% success rate as possible. If they were to have a veterinarian system akin to that of our doctors, the medical costs would be MULTIPLES of their return values for selling off livestock and/or their products (milk, eggs, etc). But farmers' vet costs are rather low, yet they put out consistently healthy product. The extent of their care is predominantly PREVENTATIVE, because once a disease or problem starts (ie mad cow disease), it is not financially feasible to attempt to cure the disease; the entire affected or at risk population gets slaughtered with NO return. Their preventative medicine is mostly in the form of nutrition; farm animals are fed foods that promote good health, and help fight disease.

    The same mindset works with humans, but the medical industry and the AMA will consistently tell you otherwise. I had a doctor tell me point blank that multivitamins and other dietary supplements are a big ripoff. (once I began a regimented diet of such supplements, my health has improved greatly.) This is the same doctor who INSISTED that I MUST take the name-brand synthetic thyroid hormone, as the generic is 'much less effective'. Within 4 years of this, there was a class action settlement against the pharmaceutical company for forcing this myth on the world. Even AFTER the court reached its decision, the doctor STILL insisted on ONLY prescribing the name brand and would NOT allow the (equally effective) generic form. Needless to say, I found a new doctor. It's all about money-these 'caring' doctors do anything they can to milk the system for more cash, whether it be for them personally or for the industry in general. It's a vile fraternity; and whenever I see these egomaniacal assholes wearing lab coats at the supermarket, or they introduce themselves as "Doctor So-and-so" when on the golf course or wherever, I make it QUITE obvious how offensive they are.

    Vaccinations are a scary field, because now the government will deny your child an education if they don't have all of them, AND prosecute you for willful neglect! While this doesn't apply to me, there ARE religions that forbid certain vaccines, and by enforcing such laws, they are crossing over the church vs state boundary. And these aren't the 'major' vaccines either, just some of the ridiculous ones like CA is trying to push on people. The tie-ins between the government and the health care system are bad to begin with, and they are getting worse. And we all know how efficient our gov't is: $250 for a toilet seat, and it takes 18 months for delivery. That is the effect they have on our health care system. Given the OPTION to choose, people will select the simplest, most direct, and least expensive form of medical care they can find. Instead, the AMA and FDA do their best to ensure that the opposite occurs.

    The 10,000 year old system of traditional Chinese medicine only pays doctors when people are HEALTHY, not the other way around. And it makes sense that way! My old doctor was careful to keep me just sick enough to need constant care (read: $$), whereas I should require a checkup for my condition ONCE a year AT BEST (read: far LESS $$).

    Ever wonder why the word 'Hippocratic' is SOOOO close to 'hypocrite'?

    If people were simply educated as to how various nutrients affect health, and they acted on that knowledge, you would see the US medical industry panic. While under CONSTANT care from doctors, I was sick nearly ALL the time. Now that I avoid them except for absolute necessity, but have been supplementing my diet with vitamins/minerals, I am generally healthy. I don't think that's a coincidence. And by the way--those RDA figures you read concerning various nutrients are FALSE. It's yet ANOTHER set of lies from the federal government concerning our health.

    ***THEORY***

    I can't prove this by any means, but I honestly think the #1 cause of long-term health problems is our excessive consumption of MILK. Milk is designed for an infantile digestive system; in a state of nature, humans (and other animals) STOP consuming milk once they are weaned on solid food. We are not evolved to handle milk past a certain age. I think it is a primary cause of major, yet undetected by doctors, food allergies and nutrient absorption. This is a field that needs a LOT of study, because our FDA, RDA, AMA, school lunch programs, etc., keep telling us how 'milk does a body good'. I, for one, don't believe that for a second. Wheat products aren't too good for us that way either, yet bread and milk are supposed to be a MAJOR component in a healthy diet. The more we consume, the healthier we SHOULD be, but the opposite seems to be the case.

    ***end theory***

    There are people in remote places on Earth that manage to remain quite healthy and live LONG lives without the 'benefits' of our 'modern' medical knowledge. And they sure as hell ain't getting vaccinated 39 times! [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]
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