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    www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,7217,00.html


    I know you lovers of cold hard facts, science, and common sense will like this article. Hopefully this will help dispell the hysteria propagated by left wing extremist(commies) and individuals who do not respect the Constitution of this here United States of America.

    [ April 18, 2001 at 03:17 AM: Message edited by: Van Gully ]
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    Damn man, you like to stir the stink stick!

    I personally believe we have some good gun control laws already in place. They just aren't followed through properly. A few loopholes may need to be addressed such as the ease of getting a gun like at gun shows versus the sporting goods store,etc but overall the laws are there.

    Criminals will always be able to get the guns no matter what laws are created. It's the honest people who get screwed by intrusive laws. Crooks get their name somehow and being a lawabiding citizen is not one of them.

    I do question the "sporting" aspect of owning a fully automatic weapon however. They are strictly designed for killing people and should be banned. Deer sausage is made at the meat market not in the woods. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

    Your local police station probably is the biggest pusher of guns into your community. What do you think happens to those confiscated guns?

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    BRA-VO VG!!!!!!!

    If there's anything that makes my blood boil (besides this excrutiatingly long wait for new VH), it's these liberal wankers and their piss-on-the-Constitution agendas. Yeah, if we eliminate all the guns, we'll suddenly be in a Nirvana-like society, where all are loved and cherished by their brother.

    WAKE UP!!! The problem is not the guns, it's crime. Okay, let's just say for the sake of the argument that we eliminate all guns. No more killings at school, right? WRONG! The same kid who smuggles a 9mm into class can just as easily (if not easier) sneak a knife into his backpack. Think you can't kill someone just as easy with a blade as you can a bullet? Think again--it happened to a friend of mine. Stabbed 11 times in the back and neck before anyone could stop the assailant.

    So what's to stop the liberals from then trying to eliminate all KNIVES? Don't think this couldn't happen. It's going to be kinda hard eating steak with a spoon. But, by golly, if that means more lives are saved...wait a minute. Says here a kid just got pummeled by another kid with a baseball bat. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS! BAN ALL BASEBALL! IT"S A KILLER!

    Sounds a little far fetched, but so did the idea of banning all firearms just 20 years ago. And now, we inch closer and closer to it every day. It's already happened in other countries, folks. Don't let it happen here.

    Sorry about the spit-spewing rant, but this issue gets me going to no end. And, for the record, I own one firearm--a little .410 shotgun I hunted squirrels and rabbits with when I was a kid. So please don't go thinking I've a got a Branch Jaybirdian thing cookin' here...

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    There are good arguments on both sides, so here's my 12 cents worth (2 cents adjusted for inflation [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] ).

    The existing gun control laws arent being enforced, and there are all kinds of loopholes you can use to get around them. Want to buy a handgun, but dont want to wait the 3 days? Buy it from a pawn shop, or a gun show, or private individual. I may be wrong here, but in my opinion, anyone who needs a handgun RIGHT NOW doesnt need one at all.
    The original intent of the writers od the Constitution was to protect people's right to defend their home (at the time, remember, the British could basically walk in and shoot everyone down with no cause). Also, back then you had to use a muzzle-loading gun, which meant you had to stop after each shot and reload it. I fully believe there is NO reason for Joe Citizen to need a fully-automatic AK-47 (and dont tell me its for sport...give the deer an automatic weapon to fight back with...THAT'S sporting [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] ).
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jaybird:
    The same kid who smuggles a 9mm into class can just as easily (if not easier) sneak a knife into his backpack. Think you can't kill someone just as easy with a blade as you can a bullet?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Now if that's not some flawed thinking, I don't know what is. The killing power of a knife and a handgun are not equal. Do I need to explain that? It seems rather obvious.

    Gun control will happen, one way or another. Handgun manufacturers are facing tough times right now, both in image and in business. Perhaps the consumer will do what the government is unwilling to.

    There's no sound arguement for handgun ownership, other than as a collector or sport shooter. Every arguement that people will propose in this thread in favor of handguns will be based on bravado or fear, even though that will be denied.

    The gun lobby speaks of respect for the Constitution, but it isn't the Constitution that they worship. It's the gun, and the power that it represents. The Constitution is just a tool for them, and they use it as such. They have no respect for its ability to reflect the will of society, or the adaptability that was so wisely written into it.

    To deny any of those things is to be less than honest with yourself. Go ahead, make my day.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Limecuda:
    Damn man, you like to stir the stink stick!

    I prefer to be thought of as thought provoking. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

    I personally believe we have some good gun control laws already in place. They just aren't followed through properly. A few loopholes may need to be addressed such as the ease of getting a gun like at gun shows versus the sporting goods store,etc but overall the laws are there.

    Keep going I agree with you so far.

    Criminals will always be able to get the guns no matter what laws are created. It's the honest people who get screwed by intrusive laws. Crooks get their name somehow and being a lawabiding citizen is not one of them.

    Damn straight!! Keep preaching the word my man!

    I do question the "sporting" aspect of owning a fully automatic weapon however. They are strictly designed for killing people and should be banned. Deer sausage is made at the meat market not in the woods. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

    That would be, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, a Class 3 liscense or a Dealer's liscense. So, not just anyone can buy an a fully automatic weapon. It is so sporting if you take it to a range and do competition shooting. Semi-automatic weapons are responsible for the least amount of gun violence. It's just that they look cool and menacing so the politicians parade them out and say "look what we took off the street." When if fact handguns and other firearms are used more in the commission of crimes than semi-automatics. This is just hyperbole and intentional misrepresentation of the facts by the nutty gun control lobby.

    Your local police station probably is the biggest pusher of guns into your community. What do you think happens to those confiscated guns?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Interesting, I've never really thought about what they do with confiscated guns.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MikeL:
    Now if that's not some flawed thinking, I don't know what is. The killing power of a knife and a handgun are not equal. Do I need to explain that? It seems rather obvious.

    No they don't have the same killing power. But to use left wing extremist thinking: One killing/murder, by any instument of death, is one too many. Thus, shouldn't knifes also be banned or severly regulated? Like you are so fond of pointing out to me Mike; you can't have it one way and not the other.

    Gun control will happen, one way or another. Handgun manufacturers are facing tough times right now, both in image and in business. Perhaps the consumer will do what the government is unwilling to.

    Never. The U.S.A. loves guns. All markets flucuate.

    There's no sound arguement for handgun ownership, other than as a collector or sport shooter. Every arguement that people will propose in this thread in favor of handguns will be based on bravado or fear, even though that will be denied.

    Collector, sport shooter, hunting, and last but certainly not least, self/home defense. Fear, uh? Like the left wing extremist don't use fear as a tactic. PLEASE!!! This is an example of a left wing extremist typical fear mongering pabulum puking rhetoric: " Our children are dying in the streets left and right(my dog too), the criminals are using guns to rob us blind; stealing my Medicare and Social Security check!! Please, please Uncle Sugar protect us from ourselves because we are to stupid to do it ourselves." Fear, fear, fear. Both sides use it and there's nothing wrong with doing so. As long as you can support your arguement.

    The gun lobby speaks of respect for the Constitution, but it isn't the Constitution that they worship. It's the gun, and the power that it represents. The Constitution is just a tool for them, and they use it as such. They have no respect for its ability to reflect the will of society, or the adaptability that was so wisely written into it.

    First of all, I'm speaking for myself here, I do not worship a inanimate object like a gun, nor the Constitution. I respect firearms and I respect and follow the Constitution. Of course I respect it's ability to reflect the will of society. And the vast majority society wants guns. It's a few crazed extremist with big mouths that try(and not doing such a hot job at it, I might add)to give an impression that many people want guns banned. This is simple not the case. The only people who want this are hardlined, pro-totalitarian goverment types.

    To deny any of those things is to be less than honest with yourself. Go ahead, make my day.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    As you can see I'm very honest with myself. I fear criminals being the only ones with guns and I fear a goverment who wants to take our guns. It can only lead to one thing. TROUBLE! Why don't you be honest with yourself, Mike, and us that what you would like to see is a Socialist totalitarian goverment to take care of your every need and placate your every fear.

    [ April 18, 2001 at 09:32 AM: Message edited by: Van Gully ]
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MikeL:


    There's no sound arguement for handgun ownership, other than as a collector or sport shooter. Every arguement that people will propose in this thread in favor of handguns will be based on bravado or fear, even though that will be denied.
    [/QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    Hell Yeah! And while we're at it, let's get rid of all other personal liberties, starting with the right the loose legged whores have of murdering their unborn children. One liberty is to be protected while the other is not?

    The argument that guns have greater killing power is undeniable. But that's saying guns are the cause of the violence and not just a tool. Fifty years ago, it was fairly common (my mother told me this) for high-schoolers to drive to school with their deer rifles and shotguns mounted in racks in their pick-up window for the whole damn world to see. No such problems as today. Why? I think parents actually gave a damn back then, instead of letting their kids run on auto-pilot like most brats do today. Kids back then were actually taught right from wrong and the value of a human life. What an amazing concept, huh?

    I don't have a problem with strict, and I mean strict, gun-control laws, ones that are actually enforced. Make it hard to own a weapon, I don't care. But it will be resisted, I guarantee you. Just look at Great Britain, Australia, and Canada. Their firearms rights are virtually non-existent at this point.
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    Ya' beat me to the punch, VG. Great reply!

    Look folks, I'm not an extremist. I don't want to splatter Bambi everywhere with an Uzi (though I am pro-hunting, but that's a WHOLE other issue), nor do I want to hand .38 specials to anyone who walks by. I don't have a gunrack in the back window of my pickup or a snubnose revolver strapped to my ankle. And I certainly don't have a bumper sticker that says, "They can take my guns when they pry 'em from my cold, dead fingers."

    I'm just a concerned American who wants the right to protect himself in his own home. Stricter enforcement of laws? You betcha.
    But don't crumple up the Constitution and tell me it doesn't work anymore. You do that,and the very cornerstone of American society is destroyed.

    And Mike, I made the gun/knife comparison to show that it wouldn't just stop with guns. After they get a head of steam going, it'll be next to impossible to slow them down.

    Next thing you know--they'll be coming into your house and taking whatever they feel is dangerous to you and society.

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    Other countries who have or had banned guns: Nazi Germany, U.S.S.R., North Korea, China, and the entire Soviet Block. I guess so-called gun control advocates forgot about these countries and the horrors they thrust upon their on people and the world.
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    Brian, you're only concerned about your own liberties. You've shown time and time again that that is true. I agree with most of what you said other than the civil liberties stuff.


    Jaybird, I'm not talking about crumpling up the Constitution. I'm saying it should evolve, just as it was intended to. To freeze the document in time is the equivalent of killing it. Our forefathers couldn't envision the future, and that is why they gave us the power of amendment. They also made amendments difficult to enact, so that the power wouldn't be misused.

    Gully, you're the one peddling FUD. Evil governments, black helicopters, and jack boots. Your imagination consistently gets the better of your common sense.

    I'm saying that there is a very limited place in society for handguns. I've got no issues with long guns, as they have legitimate uses. Handguns are only designed to mame or kill another person. Is that all a knife is good for? You'd be daft to think that, Gully. There's no slippery slope but the one you've created in your own imagination.

    The gun lobby lumps all firearms together, because they fear common sense. They know that handguns have no purpose other than killing people, so they act like one gun is equal to any other gun. What non-sense.

    And Gully, what the hell are you talking about when you say that handguns are used in more crimes than semi-automatics? You know more about weapons than to make a statement that stupid.

    If the majority of people in society wanted guns, most people would own them.

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    oh brother. well i'm a left wing extremist wanker apparently, but VG, you knew that already. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
    i'm happy with the canadian system of gun control. BBB, you can't say that the gun rights aren't existant because many people own guns in canada. it's just that you need to register them and the waiting periods are longer etc...
    i should mention that the number of canada's gun crimes are considerably less than that of the american one's per capita. i don't know how it compares to the rest of the world, but i do know that the american numbers are of the highest. i think that self defence is important, but to argue that the system in place right now is in good shape is for sure looking the other way on the issue.

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    Spirited discussion, differing viewpoints, heart-felt opinions...

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    Just one little note here and I'm out. Much of this arguement and what has been said just makes me furious but I'n NOT getting into it.

    Mike, you say that there is no sporting aspect that makes sense to you with the semi auto? No, you dont hunt with it, but I dont think hunting is the limit to firearm sport. Do fishermen enjoy many types of rods and reels? Or do the serious enthusiasts just stop with whatever is on sale at Kmart? Do Van Halen bootleggers enjoy the rare trade, or the newest cd burn program to aid the hobby? Or are they happy with just getting their hands on the demo cd? Coin collectors...do they just stick to the state quarters that are coming out now and become satisfied that they are "true" collectors because they have all 50 states?

    I'm not going to get into the touchier issues you guys are going after, but I just wanted to show that guns and ammo can be just as much sport as anything else. This sport just has some more interesting dangers and requires a little more respect.
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    i know what you're saying, but bustin out your uzi is not for sport. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
    i couldn't imagine collecting automatic assault weapons for sport. IMO, of course. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
    seen, if it makes you furious, time for a beer at AD and a couple porn movies [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

 

 

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