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    Could the U.S. government Have Prevented the Sept. 11 Terrorist Attack?
    4/3 Hard News by Bob Makin

    Could the U.S. government Have Prevented the Sept. 11 Terrorist Attack?
    If So, Why Didn’t They?

    “On the surface, selling arms to a country that sponsors terrorism, of course, clearly, you’d have to argue it’s wrong, but it’s the exceptions sometimes that prove the rule.”
    George Bush on “Good Morning, America” 1/28/87

    Apparently in June 2001, German intelligence, the BND, warned the CIA and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists are “planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture, according to the Sept. 14 issue of the Frankfurter Allgerneine Zeitung.
    The International Campaign Demanding Inquiry into 9-11 reports that an Iranian man phoned U.S. law enforcement to warn of an imminent attack on the World Trade Center in the week of Sept. 9. German police confirmed the call but state that U.S. Secret Service would not reveal any further information.
    On Sept. 13, Reuters reported that in August, the FBI arrested an Islamic militant linked to Osama bin Laden in Boston. French intelligence sources confirm that the man is a key of bin Laden’s network. The FBI learned that he had been taking flying lessons. At the time of his arrest, the man was in possession of technical information on Boeing aircraft and flight manuals.
    In a Sept. 15 MS-NBC Russian President Vladmir Putin said thatin August he ordered Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government “in the strongest possible terms” of imminent attacks on airports and government buildings.
    From Sept 26 to 28, CNN reported that on Sept. 11, employees of Odigo Inc. in Israel, one of the world’s largest instant messaging companies with offices in New York, received threats of an imminent attack on the World Trade Center two hours before the first plane hit. Yet, according to the International Campaign Demanding an Inquiry into 9-11, law enforcement authorities have remained silent about any investigation.
    The International Campaign Demandin an Inquiry into 9-11 also would like to know why FAA and DOD standard intercept regulations were violated on Sept. 11.
    “I don’t buy it,” said Walter Burien, a one-time tenant of the World Trade Center on “Radio Free America” on Nov. 11. “I was one of the first tenants in the World Trade Center back in 1979. Back then, it was known to all the tenants of the WTC that the WTC was a ‘no fly’ one. If you came within 12 miles of the WTC, flying outside of a pattern where you were supposed to be, you were warned to back off. If you came within five miles, they would treaten to shoot you down. If you came within three miles, they could shoot you down… I had a friend who was flying a small plane who got warned away and they almost blew him out of the sky 20 years ago because he was showing somebody a close view of the towers. I can see the first tower getting hit by surprise, but 15 minutes later the second tower also gets it? I don’t buy it.”
    Yet on Sept. 11, for 35 minutes, from 8:15 a.m. until 9:05 a.m., with it widely known within the FAA and the military that four planes have been simultaneously hijacked and taken off course, no one notifies the President o the United States, the Campaign points out based on sources at CNN, ABC, MS-NBC, The Los Angeles Times and the New York Times. It was not until 9:30 a.m. that any Air Force planes were scrambled to intercept, but by then it was too late. This means that the National Command Authority waited 75 minutes before scrambling aircraft, even thought it was known that the hijackings had occurred.
    This blunder, perhaps one of the worst in military history, seems even more unbelievable when one considers the fact that dozens of Air Force and Air National Guard bases are located within 10 to 30 minutes intercept time of both the World Trade Center targets. It is a fact that most of these installations have at the ready fighter jets, such as F-16s to be scrambled on a moment’s notice for intercepting troubled or problem aircraft. It is also a fact that air defense units did receive alerts from Air Traffic Controllers and non-corrupt FAA officials on a number of aircraft across the East Coast that had broken communications and deviated radically from established flight paths on the morning of Sept. 11. Yet, standard intercept procedures for dealing with these kind of situations as outlined in the FAA’s “Procedures for Handling Airspace Matters” – effective as of July 7, 2001, were completely ignored.
    Why? Could the U.S. Government have allowed terror on its own people for political reasons? The International Campaign Demanding Inquiry into 9-11 wants to find out. The precedents reported in the mainstream media are frightening:
     ABC News.com report a story in May 2001 about how the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff have in the past actually designed a plan to commit domestic terror on Americans to whip them into war hysteria and to support war efforts by the government (see http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/D...efs_010501.html)
     The National Security Archive has a PDF version of the Operation Northwoods plan, which author James Barnford has said “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government” (see www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430).
    To find out more about the International Campaign Demanding Inquiry into 9-11, send an email to findtruth40@hotmail.com and activist kit will be sent to you. The kit containts details about how the United States Government may have known about the World Trade Center attack but may have not done anything about it for political and economic reasons.
    The Campaign has distributed more than 10,000 activist kits demanding an investigation and has organized an online 9/11 investigation petition at www.petitiononline.com/11601TFS/petition.html

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    I guess my line of thinking is this... all the pondering of this line of discussion, still doesn't change the fact that thousands died.

    I believe we had warnings. But were they any more sound then others we've had prior to and since 9/11, and how do you know which to take seriously, and which not. It's a tough "game" to play, and it's not any fun, no matter what happens.
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    This fuckin' "copy and paste" conspiracy nut needs to get a damn life!! [img]graemlins/irked.gif[/img]
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    I figure that the problem wasn't that the feds wanted someone to commit an act of terror against us, I think they were just overconfident that nothing like that would ever happen on US soil.
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    Agreed.

    What concerns me now is that as time passes and no additional terrorist activity occurs on the US, that we are gradually withdrawing or relaxing some of our security precautions. It's one thing to do that (though I strongly disagree with it), it's another to announce it to the media! [img]graemlins/scared.gif[/img] Why don't we just call all the sleeper cells located here in the US, and send them engraved invitations!

    The way I see it, these terrorists tried to attack the WTC Towers once before. They attacked successfully, but the objective of their mission failed (that being to bring the towers down). They waited more then five years before they tried again. Difference was, they researched more, they planned more... and they were successful.

    It is extremely niave to think that because there hasn't been a terrorist strike here in the US since 9/11 in almost seven months, that it isn't going to happen! Relaxing security is a foolish move and will only result in bad things. [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]

    We've lived very sheltered existances here in the US. If you travel to other countries there are armed soldiers at all aiports, at customs, in the parking lots, security check points. Some say that it makes Americans uncomfortable, hence the desire to withdraw obvious military presence. I say, leave them there! Let them stand as alert warnings to US citizens AND anyone who would threaten to harm us.

    [ April 09, 2002 at 09:17 AM: Message edited by: LA ]</p>
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    Originally posted by LA:
    Some say that it makes Americans uncomfortable, hence the desire to withdraw obvious military presence. I say, leave them there! Let them stand as alert warnings to US citizens AND anyone who would threaten to harm us.
    Indefinately? Those National Guard troops have careers and families to attend to. The police working 72-hour work weeks can't be at their sharpest anymore.

    Terrorism can't be stopped or prevented. We live in an open society, and there are risks associated with that. There will always be a vulnerability and ways to circumvent security.

    Those troops weren't there to prevent or interfere with another terrorist attack. They were deployed to give people a peace of mind and a sense of security.

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    I really don't know for how long... Guess I need to think that one through a bit more. Perhaps we don't need the military in the airport, but we certainly need airport security who would command some level of respect.

    Still though relaxing securities that, had they been in place initially... might have prevented this from happening... IMO is a huge mistake.
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    Nobody here is a little ummm curious about reports of French Intelligence stating that a CIA station chief, Larry Mitchell met with Bin Laden in Dubai with Bin Laden 7 WEEKS prior to 9-11, and did not arrest him?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html
    (German Trans.) http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html
    (US Wash Times Artcl: www.washtimes.com Report: bin Laden treated at US
    hospital Elizabeth Bryant UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL Published10/31/2001)
    On a related note : In the summer of 2001 Pakistani ISI Chief General
    Ahmad (see above) orders an aide to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammed
    Atta, who was according to the FBI, the lead terrorist in the suicide
    hijackings. Ahmad recently resigned after the transfer was disclosed in
    India and confirmed by the FBI. [Source: The Times of India, October 11,2001.]

    [ April 10, 2002 at 12:08 PM: Message edited by: DLR'sCock ]</p>

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    DLR'sCock,

    I see the merit in what you are doing, but unfortuately it is falling on deaf ears.

    Everytime something gets posted that holds a varying degree of clout , merit or shit, there are always the Van Gully's who come here and blindly call you, FORD or myself communists or other names.

    Hopefully someday these people will allow themselves to sit down and consider what has happened and what is being said instead of blindly dismissing it.

    IMO...keep it up. If you get one person to see what may or may not be going on, then you've done something that GWB could never do...and that make a difference. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
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    Nobody here is curious as to why all of these warnings didn't click in anyone's heads(and just send up the fighter planes immediately?????) when Four large commercial jet airplanes were hijacked at the same time????

    August 11 or 12 – US Navy Lt. Delmart “Mike” Vreeland, jailed in Toronto
    on U.S. fraud charges and claiming to be an officer in U.S. Naval
    intelligence, writes details of the pending WTC attacks and seals them
    in an envelope which he gives to Canadian authorities. (His warning in a
    sealed envelope opened on 9/14, is now held by Ottawa Govt.) [Source:
    The Toronto Star, Oct. 23, 2001; Toronto Superior Court Records]
    September 14, 2001 – Canadian jailers open the sealed envelope from Mike
    Vreeland in Toronto and see that is describes attacks against the WTC
    and Pentagon. The U.S. Navy subsequently states that Vreeland was
    discharged as a seaman in 1986 for unsatisfactory performance and has
    never worked in intelligence. [Source: The Toronto Star, Oct. 23, 2001;
    Toronto Superior Court records]

    June 2001 – German intelligence, the BND, warns the CIA and Israel that
    Middle Eastern terrorists are “planning to hijack commercial aircraft to
    use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli
    culture.” [Source: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, September 14, 2001.]

    Summer 2001 – An Iranian man phones U.S. law enforcement to warn of an
    imminent attack on the World Trade Center in the week of September 9th.
    German police confirm the calls but state that the U.S. Secret Service
    would not reveal any further information. [Source: German news agency
    “online.de”, September 14, 2001, translation retrieved from online.ie in
    Ireland.] http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html

    August 2001 – The FBI arrests an Islamic militant linked to bin Laden in
    Boston. French intelligence sources confirm that the man is a key member
    of bin Laden’s network and the FBI learns that he has been taking flying
    lessons. At the time of his arrest the man is in possession of technical
    information on Boeing aircraft and flight manuals. [Source: Reuters,
    September 13.]

    August 2001 – Russian President Vladimir Putin orders Russian
    intelligence to warn the U.S. government “in the strongest possible
    terms” of imminent attacks on airports and government buildings.
    [Source: MS-NBC interview with Putin, September 15.]

    September 11, 2001 – Employees of Odigo, Inc. in Israel, one of the
    world’s largest instant messaging companies, with offices in New York,
    receive threat warnings of an imminent attack on the WTC less than two
    hours before the first plane hits the WTC. Law enforcement authorities
    have gone silent about any investigation of this [Source: CNN’s Daniel
    Sieberg, 9/28/01; Newsbytes, Brian McWilliams, 9/27/01; Ha’aretz,9/26/01.].

    Come on guys, isn't it fucking odd that with all of these warnings known and documented, and then FOUR(or more) Planes are hijacked at the exact same time and the military waits over an hour to send fighters in the air, only after the planes hit their targets??? That's a bit more than negligence and over confidence, don't you??? You can simply chalk it up to that????

    "Oh gee uh, yeah we were wanred numerous times, but I couldn't put two and two together until it was too late..."

    oh ok...

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    I could give a damn less what the cowardly Socialist French have to say on this matter.

    The French are about as helpful as a hole in the head when it comes to promoting freedom and democracy.
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    One more thing...

    If the French are so shit hot on the intel, then why are synagogues being fire bombed, in their country, by the Dirty Goat Fuckers?
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    The french are refusing to turn over documentation that is essential to bring the death sentence to the sole 9/11 terrorist currently in custody. That much I did see/hear on the news.

    DLR's Cock, I say good for you for brining the information to this forum... Like Pete says... if you open the eyes of one person, or trigger one person to speculate about something they'd have not considered, then you've accomplished something major.

    It is intriguing that allegedly Bin Laden was in the presence of someone from our government who could have brought him in... but we don't know if there were pre-arranged circumstances. That kind of stuff happens all the time, sad but true. Look at the Iran Contra thing. The Reagan Bush Administration dealt with terrorists and provided them with guns...

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