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    So seeing how this topic is getting a lot of attention in the news, I thought I would address it here. What does everyone think of the topic of "Human Cloning" ?

    I for one, must admit to a certain amount of curiousity regarding this. But at the same time I am fearing there could be horrible end results. After all it took the scientists who created "Dolly" 277 tries to get a decent, functioning, cloned sheep. And even then, apparently "Dolly" has had some health issues.

    This science is certainly FAR from being perfected and that's what makes it scary. Additionally I fear it could be used in very ugly ways and for the wrong reasons.

    After all, just because we CAN do something, doesn't always mean we SHOULD


    This brings up another point, that's somewhat theological in nature: If science is someday able to clone a human being down to the most minor physical attributes and variations that made that human being unique, does that mean that the "Cloned" human being will have the same soul as the original human? If not, then a NEW soul? And if a new soul would reside in this "Cloned human being" then could we not argue that this being is not a TRUE duplicate of the original person????

    Any thoughts on this subject of cloning???
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    morally, i don't think that cloning is a good idea. sure, it may work out, but a clone is an EXACT replica of the original person. more exact than identical twins. what's the point of having two of the same person. if there was another wayne gretzky in the next generation of hockey players, it would take away from the exitement of the game with original players.

    plus, i had this conversation in a biology class a while ago.
    i believe that the only way to clone a human being is to take the cell nucleus from a blastula cell. this means that the cell is from an embryo that is very young, only about a week after fertilization. the reason is because after this blastula stage, the cells of the embryo begin to be assigned certain tasks (ie. blood cells, bone cells, muscle cells), and thus would not be able to duplicate into a human being, only a certain part of the human. i'll have to go back and look at my notes, but you can't just go and take a piece of hair or dead skin or mosquito blood (jurassic park) and be able to clone a human, it would have to be from the blastula. just a point i thought i'd add. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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    There are lots of variables here. Do you mean cloning the whole person, or just organs? I think cloning whole people is very, very wrong. People need homes parents, not labs and scientists. I could go on and on about this. Plus, it brings up a whole issue about human rights. Is a cloned person entitled to the same human rights as naturally born people? I say yes.

    Cloning of specific organs may be helpful for people who need transplants. There is a serious shortage of people who needs donor organs. But I'm still kind of on the fence about this one.

    As far as the soul... I think absolutely not. They cannot have the same soul. It brings up the subject of nature vs. nurture. What causes us to be the way we are? Our environment or inherited traits? Personally, I think it's a little of both. We learn a lot from our parents by just watching them during childhood. But we also inherit certain traits such as a tendency toward alcoholism and certain gestures and reactions.

    This is a really deep issue....
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    blastula or not, BAD idea. Even if I werent religious at all, I wouldnt agree with this. Humans have a pretty big bad streak in us by nature....eventually, I guarentee it will turn back around and bite us in the collective arse. It will be used the wrong way at some point, and it will be too late to do anything about it. We aint god and should never ever try to be. Heck, we aint even all that great at being human.
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    good point. it will come back and bite us in the ass. no doubt.

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    Interesting replies here. Porn*Chick, I guess I was referring more to actual complete Human cloning as opposed to specific organs. I would be more in favor of cloning specific organs the an entire human being, most certainly. Though still a bit sketchy, I think cloning specific organs is less problamatic and morally not nearly as controversial....

    As far as the human soul, I'm enclined to agree, I don't see how a cloned human could have the same soul as the original: OR maybe I could go a little further and question if the cloned human would have any soul at ALL!!!!

    Think about it: If religion suggests to us that God makes us in his image, then plants our seed into the human woman to give birth too, couldn't we argue that a human being CLONED by MAN would NOT have God's input in there? and therefore the clone would have NO SOUL?????


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    I could only see cloning organs to be a good idea, but I don't think science has come far enough to make those organs fully function.

    I heard Michael Jackson wanted to be cloned. Two Michael Jacksons is a scary thought! [img]smilies/scared.gif[/img]
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BrokenCombs:

    As far as the human soul, I'm enclined to agree, I don't see how a cloned human could have the same soul as the original: OR maybe I could go a little further and question if the cloned human would have any soul at ALL!!!!

    Think about it: If religion suggests to us that God makes us in his image, then plants our seed into the human woman to give birth too, couldn't we argue that a human being CLONED by MAN would NOT have God's input in there? and therefore the clone would have NO SOUL?????


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    Interesting response, but what about those who would consider that God gave human the knowledge to clone, therefore may give a clone a soul. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. I really believe cloning whole people is wrong. I can already envision gov'ts cloning entire armies of "perfect soldiers" (we have the ability to isolate specific genes now). It's sick. I read an article about a woman who was so devastated by the death of her son in a car wreck that she is saving samples of his DNA for cloning. Would the clone be the same person INSIDE as her lost son? I doubt it.
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    Totally against human cloning. I believe for every action there is some kind of reaction and I know this has more negative consequences than positive. This is not natural. This is not God given. There will certainly be a price to pay for it.

    I do support genetic cloning of organs for transplantation. For the numerous amount of sufferers on long lists for matching hearts, lungs, livers, and kidneys, this could be so vital to the medical community. Time is precious for many of these people. I can see this being a major breakthrough.

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    There is just enough DNA
    To make someone who is the same
    If we get some time alone
    Just give us time, we're Humans Cloning?
    You break down, It'll break down, too
    We'll break the code if we have to
    Arrange the genes like business zoning
    That's what makes us Humans Cloning

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    Yeah! Some no life godless scientist
    The challenge he can not resist
    You wonder how new life is forming
    Wonder why we're Humans Cloning

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    Humans, Humans Cloning
    We're just Humans (That's what makes us)
    Humans Cloning (That's what makes us)
    We're just humans (That's what makes us)
    Humans Cloning (That's what makes us) We're just humans (That's what makes us)
    Humans Cloning (That's what makes us)
    Humans Cloning!
    We're just humans (That's what makes us)
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    No, I don't think it's a good idea. I think if we ever get too close to the ANSWER, that is when our time here will be up.

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    This is an issue we'll have to deal with, and moderate. Like any leap in science, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. I'm a little concerned about the way that we're dealing with the issue now--putting a complete ban on it. I don't think that's a realistic approach, and will eventually leave us in a position of trying to cope with scientists and countries that don't share our views. Better to take a guiding had in such issues than to pretend they don't exist, or that we can stop progress. I'm sure someone will get huffy about the word progress, but hopefully they'll read the spirit of the word rather than the letter. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

    All that said, I think that it comes down to two seperate and distinct issues: cloning technology to fix existing problems in existing people, and cloning technology to fix perceived problems in people who aren't people yet. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

    There'll have to be debate and work on just what is ethical. Can we cure cancer with this science, yet not baldness? Should only life-threatening afflictions be targeted, or will people demand cosmetic changes as well? How can we as a society decide these issues, and control the usage of the technology?

    Theology will have to adapt to this science, just as it has to every other advance that has changed how we view humanity. It'll play a critical role in forging peoples' opinions on the matter.

    What's a human soul? I think it's the sum of a person's experiences. Cloning a couple of people would certainly provide a way to find out for sure. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Even two people with the same exact DNA, having the same experiences would probably have distinctly different personalities. It's not only what we experience, but how we react to it.

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    Hey, maybe we can clone a race of supreme human beings, who will then taken over the world in the "Attack of the Clones." It would be like Nazi Germany with modern science. Oh cool. Just what we wanted. We can ALL look like Ken and Barbie, and we can all sound alike, and act alike, and think alike. Yay...yippee...sounds like a blast.

    Hey, just think of how easy it will be to cast movies. And choose models. And musicians. And leaders. Imagine needing only ONE chain of restaurants, one size of clothes, one type of shampoo and conditioner.

    Wow...it would be just like living in paradise.

    I guess nobody ever bothered to consider that the book "Frankenstein" may have demonstrated a little foresight. Just a little.
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    I'm against cloning but could we allow the original VH to be cloned so we could get some damn music!!!

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    It's funny...we have entire industries already making billions on selling "youth." Wrinkle cream, hair transplants, facelifts, boob jobs, "age defying make-up"...

    Cloning is an extension of the human obsession with immortality...To quote Oingo Boingo, "No one lives forever!"

    Only evil will come of it and, unfortunately, Mike is probably right...The genie is out of the bottle because right now, someone somewhere is experimenting with this very thing...
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