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    As of today(Saturday) the Dutch have totally legalized homosexual unions. They have the same rights as heterosexuals. Great! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Now I'm sure someone here in the States is going to point at this and say, wow see how open minded and fair the Dutch are. Why can't it be like this in the U.S.A.? Answer: Because we have higher moral standards and a vast majority of Americans would not support such an idea.

    The Dutch also have: Nationally legalized brothels, decriminalised euthanasia, and the selling of marijuana and hashish are permitted. What's next? Legalised beastiality? Isn't this the same place where the majority of child porn is produced? I think I saw that on a documentry one time. Not sure but I could be wrong on that and if I am I apologize ahead of time.

    Only thing else I can say is WTF!!!!

    The Dutch claim to be opened minded. I say don't confuse open mindedness with a lack of moral standards or conviction. This is a country being overrun with sodomites.
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    you asked me previously how i called you a gay basher, and there's your answer. [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by laner:
    you asked me previously how i called you a gay basher, and there's your answer. [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I'm not bashing. I'm expressing my great dislike for that type of life style along with other life styles(drug users, murders, child molesters) which are detrimental to the health(morally and physically) and welfare of individuals and society. laner if you support this type of life style then explain your reasons why. But don't say I'm bashing.
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    i support the homosexual lifestyle, as should you. to think that they should have lesser rights as you and me is appaling. don't ever call homosexuality a morality issue. you'd be singing a different tune if you were gay. i can tell that you are a very religious person. catholic right?
    as for drug use, wake up. it's alive and well here. mary jane use is only permitted in cafes over there. it's not rampant everywhere as you were led to believe.
    ditto with prostitution. there is a red light district in amsterdam where it is only permitted. although they have different laws over there, don't think that they have lost touch with morality. i don't support prostitution, but you've blown it out of proportion again.
    euthenasia. how did kevorkian get away with his shit for so long (in the united states, i might add)? i also feel that if people are in misery, and want to die without the ability to kill themselves, then they should have that option. you'd rather have a loved one live in pain then die?
    i agree with you on child molestation, though. that shit's gotta stop.
    people who are into beastiality just have sex addiction issues. they need serious help. the day that a country legalizes beastiality is when i take your side on moral issues.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by laner:
    i support the homosexual lifestyle, as should you.

    Uh, No. And I never will. Now don't get me wrong I don't hate homosexuals per se. I just hate their lifestyle. An anus is a exit not an entrance.

    to think that they should have lesser rights as you and me is appaling. don't ever call homosexuality a morality issue.

    It is very much so a morality issue. If it should not be a morality issue like you say then it should not be a political issue either. But then the gays wouldn't like that idea would they, laner? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

    you'd be singing a different tune if you were gay.
    Whatever. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

    i can tell that you are a very religious person. catholic right?
    Yes and Yes(well I'm a wayward Catholic now, but that's another topic)

    as for drug use, wake up. it's alive and well here.
    So, this means I should just accept it and not fight it and the destruction it brings?

    mary jane use is only permitted in cafes over there. it's not rampant everywhere as you were led to believe.
    ditto with prostitution. there is a red light district in amsterdam where it is only permitted. although they have different laws over there, don't think that they have lost touch with morality. i don't support prostitution, but you've blown it out of proportion again.


    How? Everything I said was true. Not one word was false. I guess your perception of what is blown out of proportion and what I think is blown out of proportion are different.


    euthenasia. how did kevorkian get away with his shit for so long (in the united states, i might add)? i also feel that if people are in misery, and want to die without the ability to kill themselves, then they should have that option. you'd rather have a loved one live in pain then die?

    This is a tough one. I don't believe in suicide. To me it represents the complete lack(loss) of faith(in GOD, man, and yourself). The other reason is I can see people abusing this if it ever became a law. A way to hide murders; someone who really isn't in much pain but just wants to end it instead of getting help, etc.

    i agree with you on child molestation, though. that shit's gotta stop.

    Glad to see you have some sense. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

    people who are into beastiality just have sex addiction issues. they need serious help. the day that a country legalizes beastiality is when i take your side on moral issues.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Your half way there now. A couple more steps and you'll be on my side. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

    Another reason I do not support the gay lifestyle is that they also have the highest infection rate for all veneral diseases, AIDS, and Hepatitis. If they're lifestyle is so great then why do they have this problem(s)? You can look it up at the Center for Disease Control(CDC). It's all there.

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    well, it seems our only issue here is homosexuality. everything else we basically agree on.
    i can easily explain the increased amount of STD's among gay people. they have anal sex. there are many infectious diseases up there. everyone knows that. gay people need to be just as careful as straight people when it comes to using protection. you can't not support gays because it's dirty. besides, not all gay people have sex (that way, anyway). you are either gay or you're not. you don't turn gay. it's not a choice people have. people should have the same rights as everyone else. gay, straight, black, white, green, purple. why do people draw the line there? since when did i say that the gay lifestyle is great? it's people like you who make their lifestyle such a shameful thing. they rarely feel good about themselves, because of the opression they face. many gay people are married to people of the opposite sex because they don't want to face people like you who say it is wrong, and they are not people. what a joke. you have to agree with that.
    the reason that it is a political issue is because gay bashers (yourself included) don't think that they should have the same rights as you and me. the reason you are a gay basher is that not only do you hate the gay thing, but it hurts you so much to see a law passed that makes gay marriages legal. everyones entitled to their own opinion, but it doesn't even affect you, so why should you care what other people do? it doesn't have a detrimental effect on you, let them get married like you and me can.

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    maybe one should actually go to amsterdam to actually see what its like....i know my buddy in the air force visted the red light district and said the women are clean and the brothels are sanctioned(controlled) by the government. btw im catholic what does that have to do with anything?
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    Hey Gully, you know that most of the things you railed against up there are legalized in some form in different parts of the US, right?

    Point is, if you don't like it, don't go there. But don't bitch about what they do just because you don't like it. What's the point of such whining?

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    i asked because many catholics are very hard line about anti-homosexuality.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MikeL:
    Hey Gully, you know that most of the things you railed against up there are legalized in some form in different parts of the US, right?

    Most things? The only thing we have legalized(that I mentioned in my initial post) anywhere in the U.S.A. is prostitution. And I do believe that is in Neveda. Thus, I don't think that constitutes "most."

    Point is, if you don't like it, don't go there. But don't bitch about what they do just because you don't like it. What's the point of such whining?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Just because something like this exists does not mean you should ignore it or accept it. This is the complacent attitude most people take. If it doesn't bother me(or my family) directly then why confront it? The answer: because eventually it will affect you and your family somewhere down the road. Whining? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] Whatever Mike. That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Down In Flames:
    Van Gully, where do you get off slandering other countries like this?

    The Mirriam-Webster Dictionary dfines slander as: a false report maliciously uttered and tending to injure the reputatation of a person.

    Now everything I stated(the facts about legalised homosexual marriages, assisted suicide etc.) about the Netherlands is true. Thus, it would not be slander. I apologized ahead of time about the child porn thing. I admitt it was careless of me to bring that subject up without first getting my ducks in a row. But trust me I will research this more throughly and get back to everyone on it. DIF I am merely expressing my point of view on these topics and I would be interested to hear yours. But you seem to want to turn this into a beat up Van Gully thread instead. That's ok, though, I forgive you. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] You let your emotions get the better of you. Argue logically not emotionally(well, if you back it up with some facts then I guess you can be emotionally about it) .


    When was the last time anyone started a thread demonizing the United States about our standards?

    None that I recall but I'm always up for a good debate.

    Oh, that's right. Never. It would seem posters from other countries have a bit more class than some of us...

    Again you want to turn this into a Van Gully is the bad guy thread. Try sticking to the topic that I posed in the beginning of this thread there, Mr. Moderator.

    If your "moral standards" are so high, then why not live and let live?

    Live and let live is not a high moral standard. It is the lack of a standard(or a very low one at the least).

    So you don't agree with the Netherlands. So what?

    1.) Do you live there?

    2.) Do you vote there?

    3.) Do you pay taxes there?

    No - To all three questions.


    You are correct but does this mean I can't state the facts and express my opinions and provoke intelligent conversation about these facts?

    You slandered the Netherlands as being the place where the majority of child porn is produced, but you're quick to add you're not sure... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

    Did it ever occur to you to actually find out before posting such a thing?/
    QUOTE]

    See first answer at beginning of post. DIF I look foward to your response. It would also be nice if you address the topics I talked about in the first post. But don't turn it into "I hate big meany Van Gully." I'm sorry if some of you can't handle provocative subject matter.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Van Gully:
    The Mirriam-Webster Dictionary dfines slander as: a false report maliciously uttered and tending to injure the reputatation of a person.

    Now everything I stated(the facts about legalised homosexual marriages, assisted suicide etc.) about the Netherlands is true. Thus, it would not be slander. I apologized ahead of time about the child porn thing. I admitt it was careless of me to bring that subject up without first getting my ducks in a row. But trust me I will research this more throughly and get back to everyone on it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It doesn't matter if you were careless or not. Just say you're wrong and leave it at that, until you find out otherwise.

    You've undercut your argument by not doing so.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> DIF I am merely expressing my point of view on these topics and I would be interested to hear yours. But you seem to want to turn this into a beat up Van Gully thread instead. That's ok, though, I forgive you. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] You let your emotions get the better of you. Argue logically not emotionally(well, if you back it up with some facts then I guess you can be emotionally about it) . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I do so enjoy being admonished by a hypocrite...

    The idea that I'm arguing emotionally... Interesting, coming from a guy who gets so bent out of shape by Puff Daddy's change that he starts a thread about it. LOL.

    You go on about how you don't know about the Netherlands being the child porn capital of the world, complain about a country you don't live in, and hint that its deviant ways will spread to our country if we're not careful - Yet, you tell me to be logical?

    Van Gully, if you fall off your soap box, from that height, you'll kill yourself...

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> None that I recall but I'm always up for a good debate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Good debates don't entail slandering other countries. And screw the Mirriam-Webster Dictionary. If you weren't slandering the Netherlands, then you wouldn't have had to look the word up. You're a bit too coy.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Again you want to turn this into a Van Gully is the bad guy thread. Try sticking to the topic that I posed in the beginning of this thread there, Mr. Moderator. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Mr. Sanctimonious, [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] if you can't take the heat, don't bother posting such nonsense.

    And I'll post about whatever I want, thanks.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Live and let live is not a high moral standard. It is the lack of a standard(or a very low one at the least). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Oh, of course. America isn't about living and letting live. How silly of me...

    What do you want to do? Invade the Netherlands? Force your repressed views upon them?

    Good luck, army of one. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> You are correct but does this mean I can't state the facts and express my opinions and provoke intelligent conversation about these facts? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Express your opinions all you want.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> See first answer at beginning of post. DIF I look foward to your response. It would also be nice if you address the topics I talked about in the first post. But don't turn it into "I hate big meany Van Gully." I'm sorry if some of you can't handle provocative subject matter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Provocative? Don't flatter yourself (knowing you, that will be an enormous undertaking ).

    Shitting on another country's way of life isn't what I'd call "provocative."

    I'd call it petty.

    And I don't live in the Netherlands, so excuse me for feeling a bit out of place complaining about the country's practices.

    I couldn't give a damn what they choose to do there. And contrary to your misguided beliefs, neither should you.

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    So, DIF I take it, since you don't want to discuss the topic I brought up, that you agree with their lifestyle choices over in the Netherlands. You have avoided the topic by turning this into a Van Gully is bad guy rant. I'm trying to instigate an intelligent conversation/debate on this but all you do is bandy about insults like hypocrite and sanctimonious. Immaturity at it's worst. So stick to the topic DIF. Do you or don't you agree with this type of lifestyle(I know you said you didn't give a damn but that is kind of a cop out)? Are you afraid to answer honestly or do you just want to keep calling me names and distract from the real topic of this thread. Why shouldn't I care about this topic, like you suggested? You have a better inside track on what should or shouldn't be morally acceptable? Since I'm such a hypocrite and sactimonious, maybe you could enlighten me with your educated wordly ways.

    The P.Diddy thread was done for fun. I haven't the slightest idea how you thought I was serious about that topic. You know as in silly. I thought his name change was silly(his original nick-name was silly also, by the way). Boy, that thread really bothered you didn't it? Care to explain why? You personal friends with P. Diddy? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by laner:
    i asked because many catholics are very hard line about anti-homosexuality.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    i would nt really say that...my mother works at an aids charity center run by the catholic church..most of the clients are homosexual...you re probably thinking about old hardline catholics which are kinda fading... the catholic church is a very divided thing within itself but thats a whole other issue [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] actually i dont think theres any popular religion that endorses homosexuality. anyway back to the subject [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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    yeah rick S, i was referring to hardline catholics (like VG), i know many catholics who are tolerant as well. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

 

 

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