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    Some whacko's cloned a human and it was born yesterday by C section (they claim).

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    (AP) Brigitte Boisselier, a chemist and CEO of Clonaid, talks to reporters in Hollywood, Fla., Friday,...
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    HOLLYWOOD, Fla. (AP) - A member of a sect that believes life on Earth was created by extraterrestrials claimed Friday to have produced the world's first human clone, a baby girl.

    The 7-pound baby was born Thursday by Caesarean section, said Brigitte Boisselier, a chemist and head of a company that did the experiment. She wouldn't say where the baby was born; she did say the birth was at 11:55 a.m. local time.

    Even before her news conference, other scientists expressed doubt that her group could clone a human.

    Boisselier said the baby, dubbed "Eve" by the scientists, is a clone of the 31-year-old American woman who donated the DNA for the cloning process, had the resulting embryo implanted and then gestated the baby. If confirmed, that would make the child an exact genetic duplicate of her mother.


    Boisselier said the mother had resorted to cloning because her mate was infertile.

    "It is very important to remember that we are talking about a baby," she said. "The baby is very healthy. She is fine, she doing fine. The parents are happy. I hope that you remember them when you talk about this baby, not like a monster, like some results of something that is disgusting."

    Boisselier did not immediately present DNA evidence showing a genetic match between mother and daughter, however. That leaves her claim scientifically unsupported.

    Dr. Michael Guillen, a former medical correspondent at ABC's "Good Morning America," told reporters at the news conference he was lining up "independent world-class experts" to perform DNA test on the mother and baby. He said he was not being paid by Clonaid.

    The group expects four more babies to be born in the next several weeks, another from North America, one from Europe and two from Asia. Two of the couples are using preserved cells taken from their own children before their deaths, and one is a lesbian couple, she claimed.


    (AP) Brigitte Boisselier, a chemist and CEO of Clonaid, talks to reporters in Hollywood, Fla., Friday,...
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    "I do believe that it is the choice of every parent to choose the child they want, even if they don't have any infertility problem," Boisselier said. "Who are we to tell the parents the child that they should have?"

    The couples were not asked to pay for the procedures but some had invested in Clonaid, she said.

    She said the baby will go home in three days, and an independent expert will take DNA samples from her to prove she had been cloned. She said results would come within nine days.

    "You can still go back to your office and treat me as a fraud," she said. "You have one week to do that."

    Most scientists, already skeptical of Boisellier's ability to produce a human clone, will probably demand to know exactly how the DNA testing was done before they believe the announcement.


    (AP) Michael Guillen, a former science editor at ABC-TV, answers reproters questions after Brigitte...
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    Clonaid was founded in the Bahamas in 1997 by Claude Vorilhon, a former French journalist and leader of a group called the Raelians. Vorilhon and his followers claim aliens visiting him in the 1970s revealed they had created all life on Earth through genetic engineering.

    Cloning produces a new individual using only one person's DNA. The process is technically difficult but conceptually simple. Scientists remove the genetic material from an unfertilized egg, then introduce new DNA from a cell of the animal to be cloned. Under the proper conditions, the egg begins dividing into new cells according to the instructions in the introduced DNA.

    Boisselier, who claims two chemistry degrees and previously was marketing director for a chemical company in France, identifies herself as a Raelian "bishop" and said Clonaid retains philosophical but not economic links to the Raelians. She is not a specialist in reproductive medicine.

    Legislation or guidelines to ban human cloning are pending in dozens of nations, including the United States. Several countries, including Britain, Israel, Japan and Germany, already have banned it. There is no specific law against it in the United States, but the Food and Drug Administration contends it must approve any human experiments in this country.

    Boisselier would not say where Clonaid has been carrying out its experiments. Bush administration officials had said they were aware of rumors of an announcement but had no plans to comment until after the details were known.


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    In Rome, fertility doctor Severino Antinori, who said weeks ago that a cloned baby boy would be born in January, dismissed Clonaid's claims and said the group has no scientific credibility.

    The news "makes me laugh and at the same time disconcerts me, because it creates confusion between those who make serious scientific research" and those who don't, Antinori said.

    "We keep up our scientific work, without making announcements," he added. "I don't take part in this ... race."

    So far scientists have succeeded in cloning sheep, mice, cows, pigs, goats and cats. Last year, scientists in Massachusetts produced cloned human embryos with the intention of using them as a source of stem cells, but the cloned embryos never grew bigger than six cells.

    Many scientists oppose cloning to produce humans, saying it's too risky because of abnormalities seen in cloned animals.

    Dr. Robert Lanza of Advanced Cell Technology, the Massachusetts company that last year produced the first reported cloned human embryo, said before the announcement that Clonaid has "no scientific credibility at this point."

    But he and other experts do not dismiss the possibility of success. In some respects, cloning to produce a baby may be easier than the task Lanza is undertaking, which is to clone an embryo to produce stem cells for medical research.

    "They may be able to bypass many of the problems that we would encounter in the lab," he said. He said his work has found that implanting a very early stage cloned embryo in an animal's uterus can be successful, while trying to grow the embryo in the lab is more difficult.
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    assuming these people aren't full of shit (and that's a pretty big IF), how could this ever be a good idea? i know the idea of defeating death is enticing, much less if you have a loved one with a terminal illness or something. but i'm sure a lot of the guys working on nuclear physics thought they were onto something too. this just feels like another genie we'll never get back in the bottle. if these quacks didn't really do it, some legitimate scientists will. i think it's a ridiculous use of knowledge, but then that's just my lowly oppinion.

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    clonging a human, war in the midde east coming...gee these are all goos signs

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    I don't have a big problem with the idea, but I think the people involved with this are doing a great disservice to science. There've been problems with some of the animals that have been cloned, and I think it's abhorable to create a person knowing that there's a good chance they might not be "right." Too much, too fast.

    The baby'll still be an individual. It'll just have the same genetic makeup as its mother. I don't see anything inherently wrong with that on a moral level in this limited case, but sociologically it's wrong. Genes being a mixture of the mother and father's genetics is an evolutionary mechanism, both as a defense and as a way to continue evolving. I think it is a mistake to proceed down that path without some definate understanding of the ramifications of the actions. Science should rarely be done for science's sake.

    I do think it's reasonable to clone and grow human organs. The extention of life has always been a medical pursuit.

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    Originally posted by JMJ:
    gee these are all goos signs
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    Seriously though... I think this is nonsense. It's a religious sect. These guys are in the business of delusion.

    Anyway, As I've said before this is inevitable. Someones gonna do it. Let's just hope once it's done, people just fucking move onto doing something productive with the research (such as stem cell therepies etc) rather than busily creating designer mini-me's for rich twats to use to collect golf balls outta dams (or whatever)
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    I don't want it done when there is a serious chance the child born will have severe abnormalities or defects; That isn't right.

    If they could do it without the current risks, I wouldn't care. I'm all for the exploitation of human ability and ingenuity, and I don't have a real religious fear of things.

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    I've got mixed feelings on the subject... I think there are some great possibilities to come out of it, But 'm not sure I agree with the idea of creating clones of human beings. It's too early to tell what possible side effects could come of this, but I'm sure they'll pop up soon enough. It's a weird issue...
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    I don't like the idea of cloning humans for a few reasons.

    1.) Don't we have overpopulation in the world already. I don't see a need to add more of the same.

    2.) To me, creating a human should be an act of love between two people. I know in this day in age, this doesn't happen all the time but it's my belief.

    3.) Are these cloned humans perfectly normal or will there be some side effects?

    4.) There are enough assholes already in the world, why create more.
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