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    Just heard this on the radio this morning. It was only a blurb, so I don't have all the details....maybe it would make more sense if I did. Basically, what they said was that a British court ruled against a woman filing for custody of her children because she used the internet to meet men. WTF??? I suppose it would be better if she met them in bars? On street corners, perhaps? This just seems crazy to me....there's gotta be more behind it...I mean maybe she was having strange men in the house with her kids there or something...who knows. If anyone sees the full story on this, maybe you can post it here. What I really wonder is if this case creates a precedent in THIS country. I don't think that decision would fly here....wouldn't that be unconstitutional or something?

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    I see a lawyer lurking here....any opinion on this?

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    I always thought the constitution was in place to uphold basic rights of citizens of a country. I see this ruling as the court looking at what is best for the children which is a matter of law, not of constitutional right.

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    Of course the welfare of the children is the most important thing. That's why I'm thinking there has to be a LOT more involved here than just her chatting on the internet.....at least I would hope so.

    I've been looking all over for this story, to no avail. Guess I'll have to call up KLOS and ask where they got it from....

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    Oh boy...You may not have the whole story, but this is plenty enough. 'Kinda sets a tone (keeps in step ?) many of the other changes rapidly taking place... [img]graemlins/scared.gif[/img]

    "Welfare of the children" - here's this buzz phrase again we keep hearin' about. 'Not sure 'bout everyone else's beurocratic entity, but here, there have been several publicized accounts of the very agency responsible for improving the welfare of children - JFS (Job & Family Services), and the Child Protective Dept. removing kids from the home & reassigning them, as it were, to new "families" where the child then died.

    I had a lock on one of these positions several years ago, but when I learned the exact position/dept., I kindly thanked them for their time & professional consideration and............moved on.. [img]graemlins/scared.gif[/img]

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    well, being people left Britain to avoid those kinds of precedents, i doubt the ruling makes any difference here. we've got things that are acceptable here that Britain frowns on, and vice versa.
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    I think if you "have" to use the internet to meet someone for a possible serious relationship, then you got problems.(and maybe you aren't the most stable person to take care of a child) Now if you are meeting someone ta FUCK(nothing serious, get in, get out)???? That's kool with me, but I hope they aren't a psycho and try ta kill ya!!!! [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]

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    Originally posted by DLR'sCock:
    I think if you "have" to use the internet to meet someone for a possible serious relationship, then you got problems.(and maybe you aren't the most stable person to take care of a child) Now if you are meeting someone ta FUCK(nothing serious, get in, get out)???? That's kool with me, but I hope they aren't a psycho and try ta kill ya!!!! [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]
    Why - what's the difference between say meeting on the internet, and people meeting and marrying via pen pal relationships, which used to be common once? It's ultimately just another way to meet. I gotta say though a lot of people go about it the wrong way though, and do REALLY stupid things. Just use commonsense and its fine.

    I met Mrs Goo via the net. Although admittedly it wasnt a deliberate act of looking, just one of those things that happened. We met in a chat room, became 'freinds'. Met in person. Got on well. Spent time together. still got on well. Moved in together. Still got on well.Pretty traditional situation really,just the actual 'meeting' wasnt in a bar or whatever. Big whoop.

    We've been together 4 years now. I hope thats ok by ya [img]graemlins/wtf.gif[/img]

    Anyways. Back to the topic. It tends to be a problem in the media now that if the storys got the word 'internet' involved it becomes the headline. ie 'Joe used to collect female body parts in his fridge. In his house was a computer with pornographay downloaded FROM THE INTERNET'......or 'Janie used to keep her kids in a cupboard. She fed them on 2 slices of bread a day. She met a man ON THE INTERNET and was therefore judged a bad parent'.. you get the drift. I always get a bit [img]graemlins/wtf.gif[/img] when I hear bout people 'with bomb recipies 'FROM THE INTERNET'. My father is a volunteer fire chief in a smallish country town. He's got about 6 books on bomb making on the bookshelf, all purchased from the local bookstore. Whats the difference?
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    Originally posted by Goo:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DLR'sCock:
    I think if you "have" to use the internet to meet someone for a possible serious relationship, then you got problems.(and maybe you aren't the most stable person to take care of a child) Now if you are meeting someone ta FUCK(nothing serious, get in, get out)???? That's kool with me, but I hope they aren't a psycho and try ta kill ya!!!! [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]
    Why - what's the difference between say meeting on the internet, and people meeting and marrying via pen pal relationships, which used to be common once? It's ultimately just another way to meet. I gotta say though a lot of people go about it the wrong way though, and do REALLY stupid things. Just use commonsense and its fine.

    I met Mrs Goo via the net. Although admittedly it wasnt a deliberate act of looking, just one of those things that happened. We met in a chat room, became 'freinds'. Met in person. Got on well. Spent time together. still got on well. Moved in together. Still got on well.Pretty traditional situation really,just the actual 'meeting' wasnt in a bar or whatever. Big whoop.

    We've been together 4 years now. I hope thats ok by ya [img]graemlins/wtf.gif[/img]

    Anyways. Back to the topic. It tends to be a problem in the media now that if the storys got the word 'internet' involved it becomes the headline. ie 'Joe used to collect female body parts in his fridge. In his house was a computer with pornographay downloaded FROM THE INTERNET'......or 'Janie used to keep her kids in a cupboard. She fed them on 2 slices of bread a day. She met a man ON THE INTERNET and was therefore judged a bad parent'.. you get the drift. I always get a bit [img]graemlins/wtf.gif[/img] when I hear bout people 'with bomb recipies 'FROM THE INTERNET'. My father is a volunteer fire chief in a smallish country town. He's got about 6 books on bomb making on the bookshelf, all purchased from the local bookstore. Whats the difference?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Goo, thanks for the accurate portrayal re. relevance !! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] Many rulings of today's times are indeed irrelevant to the true welfare of the citizenry to which they're applied/enforced. They do , however, serve to effectively influence (some) people's sense of "right-n-wrong", status-n-class, etc.
    Another one of those [img]graemlins/wtf.gif[/img] s, for me anyway.....

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    there's gotta be some more to this story. otherwise, british people are crazy.
    that's bollocks. what a wanker.

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    Originally posted by Chelle:
    I've been looking all over for this story, to no avail. Guess I'll have to call up KLOS and ask where they got it from....
    Chelle, any word on more details of the story?

    I don't think the courts here would use anything in another country to make a potential ruling. But, I'm not a lawyer, and really can't say! Who really knows! I'm thinking that the ruling in the UK must have more to do with the sort of men, or the number of men, or perhaps more descriptive behavior on her part then what you heard about.

    Goo made a great point. Is it that different than pen pals or perhaps taking an ad out in the personal columns...
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    I'm not certain on this, but I believe the American justice system is based heavily on Stari Decisus (sp?) and precedent, something the British legal system does not use as heavily.

    That being said, a British ruling on something has no effect on the American legal system.
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    Originally posted by Stuff No More:
    I'm not certain on this, but I believe the American justice system is based heavily on Stari Decisus (sp?) and precedent, something the British legal system does not use as heavily.

    That being said, a British ruling on something has no effect on the American legal system.
    The correct spelling is stare decisis. I don't pretend to know what the hell you're talking about, however.

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    Let us not forget that Europeans are a little more behind the times than we are and the 1/2 of them have Catholic morals. Since we do not have the whole story it's hard to say why the decision was made but I can see a judge in Europe looking at it like it is a very dangerous and immoral thing to do. Especially if she was still legally married at the time.
    IMO and being a single mother, it is better meet nice people sitting at home, WITH your children under your own care and get a feeling about who and what the person is before actually meeting them in person, than to go out and blindly looking for and dating men all the while leaving you children in the care of others. Singles bar kids with a sitter or Home on the net, kids safe and sound? Which is worse?

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    Originally posted by Stuff No More:
    I'm not certain on this, but I believe the American justice system is based heavily on Stari Decisus (sp?) and precedent, something the British legal system does not use as heavily.

    That being said, a British ruling on something has no effect on the American legal system.
    Agreed completely! That's not to say that the justices might not read the legal decisions from other countries, just to see the logic in reaching the conclusion they did.

    But the base-line is that their laws aren't the same as ours, no matter WHAT religion they practice, therefore it wouldn't make much sense at all that a ruling in the UK would have legal impact in the US. It might have some influence in forming an opinion for a similar ruling.
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