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    04.23.17 @ 12:14 PM
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    I say ARod was robbed, he should've won the award. Miggy had a great season and all BUT ARod had the greatest season by a shortstop since the days of Jimmie Foxx and he gets beat out by a eh uh shortstop??

    discuss..

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    I truly believe that if Soriano had hit that 40th homer to become the 3rd 40-40 man and first time ever for a second baseman. He would have won the MVP.

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    because the award is about who is the most valuable player - not the one with the best season. That's why I see Bonds' season as justification for his winning the NL MVP, as much as I hate him. HIs performance had an effect on his team's success, where as the Rangers...well, look at the standings. Nobody is going to debate that A-Rod had a stellar season, but his contribution didn't make the Rangers a better team in that capacity.

    Here's a good article about the whole MVP debate -

    Should A-Rod have won?

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    As with most things, this comes down to semantics. MVP or Best Player. Here is how I would decide: If I was starting a team, out of all current MLB players, who would I start with?

    The answer, is A-Rod.
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    Where the "MVP" stands for the most valuable player. Both men are most definately worthy, but the fact that Oakland made the playoffs is what sent the award Tejada's way.

    Now the Cy Young is for BEST PITCHER! The pitcher who was the best during the season.
    Pedro had all the stats by far in his favor except wins. His ERA was 1/2 a run better, he had 50 or so more strikeouts in 30 less innings. You take in his average he would have had about 90 more if pitched the same amount of innings.
    Sure he didn't make his last start in a meaningless game, but he was still the better pitcher this season.
    If they gave the MVP award to pitchers, then I can see Zito getting it over Tejada.
    Maybe they need to add an additional MVP that goes to the pitcher that is the most valuable player in the league, if they did then Zito would get my vote.

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    Originally posted by Eddymon:
    Now the Cy Young is for BEST PITCHER! The pitcher who was the best during the season.
    Pedro had all the stats by far in his favor except wins.
    Actually if I remember correctly, Zito had more wins (and more starts) against quality teams...considering he had to face Seattle and Anaheim quite often in his own division, considering the Red Sox main competition in the East was the Yanks (plus you could argue that Zito got his team into the playoffs as well). Martinez was better "stats" wise, but then again so was ARod.

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    Originally posted by rrussou812:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eddymon:
    Now the Cy Young is for BEST PITCHER! The pitcher who was the best during the season.
    Pedro had all the stats by far in his favor except wins.
    Actually if I remember correctly, Zito had more wins (and more starts) against quality teams...considering he had to face Seattle and Anaheim quite often in his own division, considering the Red Sox main competition in the East was the Yanks (plus you could argue that Zito got his team into the playoffs as well). Martinez was better "stats" wise, but then again so was ARod. </font>[/QUOTE]You are right, But Pedro had a much better record and era against those same west teams. Remember striking out the side on 9 pitches in the first inning of a game against Seattle?
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    pedro pedro pedro...fuck him. i'm sick of hearing his name. this is about the al mvp debate

    pedro schmedro..tell him to actually pitch the whole year

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    Let's see:
    Tejada AVG - .308 A-Rod AVG - .300
    Tejada Slg% - .508 A-Rod Slg% - .623
    Tejada OnBs% - .354 A-Rod OnBs% - .392
    Tejada RBI - 131 A-Rod RBI - 142
    Tejada HR - 34 A-Rod HR - 57
    Tejada Hits - 204 A-Rod Hits - 187
    Tejada Runs - 108 A-Rod Runs - 125
    Tejada Field% - .975 A-Rod Field% - .987 (Gold Glove)
    Advantage A-Rod

    Now, before your baseball weenie gets engorged and starts spewing "the MVP isn't based only on stats," consider this: Who would rather have for your SS, Tejada or A-Rod? Who would bring more in a trade, Tejada or A-Rod? Who is generally considered the best player in the game, Tejada or A-Rod?

    A-Rod was penalized for playing on a team with a terrible pitching staff and, IMO, for making $25 million per year.
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    Originally posted by P1:
    A-Rod was penalized for playing on a team with a terrible pitching staff and, IMO, for making $25 million per year.
    And he should be.

    The award goes to the most "valuable" player. It doesn't go to the player with the best year. A-Rod had an unbelieveable year -- a better one than Tejada. But in the end, how valuable was he to the team? The Rangers finished dead last in their division, and the Rangers were the only AL West team to have a losing record (72-90).

    Tejada's individual contribution may have been slightly less than A-Rod's, but his value was much more significant.

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    Originally posted by rrussou812:

    I say ARod was robbed, he should've won the award. Miggy had a great season and all BUT ARod had the greatest season by a shortstop since the days of Jimmie Foxx and he gets beat out by a eh uh shortstop??
    I'm not going to get into this debate because I believe either player would have deserved the award. A-Rod is simply the best player in the game now, all-around (yes, even better than Bonds), but Tejada was directly responsible for many of the A's victories. That's all I'll say about that.

    The reason I quoted you, rruss, is to point out a small inconsistency in your post. I hope that, when you said "greatest season by a shortstop since the days of Jimmie Foxx," you didn't mean to imply that Jimmie Foxx was a shortstop. He played first base.

    If you didn't mean to imply it, please ignore this post!

    And to JMJ: Dude, I love your posts, bro, but don't knock Pedro for not pitching a whole season. It's not his fault he was born with an extremely skinny--even delicate--physique which, as a power pitcher, makes him susceptible to injury. When he's healthy, he's still the best in the game, imho. Rock on, bro! And you can be absolutely certain I'm not biased in any way! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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    P.S.: Guitar Shark, I must say you've done an excellent job of hiding your ever-lingering hostility toward A-Rod for leaving your beloved M's. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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    Originally posted by Ted Williams:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by rrussou812:

    I say ARod was robbed, he should've won the award. Miggy had a great season and all BUT ARod had the greatest season by a shortstop since the days of Jimmie Foxx and he gets beat out by a eh uh shortstop??
    I'm not going to get into this debate because I believe either player would have deserved the award. A-Rod is simply the best player in the game now, all-around (yes, even better than Bonds), but Tejada was directly responsible for many of the A's victories. That's all I'll say about that.

    The reason I quoted you, rruss, is to point out a small inconsistency in your post. I hope that, when you said "greatest season by a shortstop since the days of Jimmie Foxx," you didn't mean to imply that Jimmie Foxx was a shortstop. He played first base.

    If you didn't mean to imply it, please ignore this post!

    And to JMJ: Dude, I love your posts, bro, but don't knock Pedro for not pitching a whole season. It's not his fault he was born with an extremely skinny--even delicate--physique which, as a power pitcher, makes him susceptible to injury. When he's healthy, he's still the best in the game, imho. Rock on, bro! And you can be absolutely certain I'm not biased in any way! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
    </font>[/QUOTE]I stand corrected (well actually i'm sitting)

    Honestly I had heard someone state this on one of the major sport networks that he had the best season since the days of Jimmie Foxx. I do consider myself an above average baseball buff but I'll be the first to admit (and as it shows in my post) that I don't know as much about the players my dad grew up with as in to compare the ones that are of my generation.

    In all though I honestly do feel ARod should've got the award for being the most valuable player [img]smile.gif[/img]

    [ November 13, 2002, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: rrussou812 ]

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    Originally posted by Guitar Shark:
    But in the end, how valuable was he to the team? The Rangers finished dead last in their division, and the Rangers were the only AL West team to have a losing record (72-90).

    Tejada's individual contribution may have been slightly less than A-Rod's, but his value was much more significant.
    [/QUOTE]

    question is, is if the roles were reversed (Miggy played for the rangers and Arod was with the A's) would this still be the case?? Can you honestly say he didn't deserve it because the supporting cast around him didn't play to par?

    [ November 13, 2002, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: rrussou812 ]

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    The Texas Rangers would have finished last with or without A-Rod. So, he can't be the Most Valuable Player. His team finished last w/him. [img]smile.gif[/img]

 

 

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