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    sammy needs dave .. joke , yeah ?

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    I doubt that either one of them think that they need the other. It seems to me that they both have pretty big egos. Who knows the motivation behind this. Maybe they're trying to say that they don't need VH!

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    sammy -

    plays the guitar-pretty darn good..
    sings ( in tune )
    live ( not totally pissed )
    good on albums ( relevance.. )

    dave-

    a total prick ( for the last ....... years )

    your choice.. ?

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    if anyone needs anyone it dave and van halen that needs each other.
    van halen shall return. what you think is nothing might be something after all.

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    Virtually everyone in the VH realm needs a damn life-preserver right about now.

    Sending this topic over to the Opinions/Speculation forum. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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    They both need each other.

    Their solo careers have gone down the toilet and have been flushed. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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    I don't think it's about needing anyone. I think that it has to do with showing the fans that they DO want to PLEASE us. IMHO, DLR and Sammy touring together is just about as good as a VH/DLR reunion. Doing this gives the tour some BIGNESS, some PIZAZZ that this group of musicians has needed since the reunion tour/no reunion tour fiasco. They are also showing that they are bigger than EVH and that they can overcome differences when it comes to making music and making the fans happy.
    <a href="http://www.vhwalkathon.org" target="_blank">VHWalkathon - Project 316</a><br /><br />EVH: The music is first and foremost. That's the way it's always been and that's the way it will always be. Because without the music, what is there? Nothing. There's nothing without the music. You can't even cop an attitude without the music (laughs).

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    Sammy must need Dave or he would not have employed him. He knows that Dave needs money and thought hmmmm...I can kill 2 birds with one stone. He can pay Dave less than he gets and he can also act like he is better than Dave. This really feeds Sammys ego. I'm not going to the show and I'm not supporting this bullshit business move. The fans are smarter than this.Is Sammy selling tequila and Red Rocker sun glasses and shampoo at the show too. Go to his site and check out his merchandise. Wake up people its not about the love of the art its about the money.

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    Originally posted by Tony the Tiger:
    Wake up people its not about the love of the art its about the money.
    I agree wholeheartedly.

    But... When was it ever about the love of the art?

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    What is interesting to me is the perception some folks have that Sam is employing Dave. The only thing I've heard in regards to the money is that they weren't going to do it if they didn't each get a $50,000 guarantee. Neither is employing the other.

    If you've got contradictory information, toss it up. Otherwise... [img]smile.gif[/img]

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    Forget all this Dave/Sammy debate. Everyone is missing the more important issue.

    Was This Old House better with Bob Vila or Norm Abrams? Norm or the Grave!
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    Vila all the way!!!

    Seriously, to go out on a limb, I think Dave needs this more than Sammy. I think it's a good idea for both of them, and could do well for both if it gets done, but Dave needs it more.

    Let's look at Sammy. 7 years ago he was with Van Halen and had a #1 album with Balance, the 4th straight studio album to go to #1. 6 years ago was the DLR reunion flap, which got him a lot of press and sympathy. He has a solo personna, he was never "just" associated with VH. He has successful business ventures, with the booze and bars. Even to this day (well, last year), he has the juice to get on Leno and NFL today to promote Ten13 by playing. He has interview clips on VH1 for various top band lists and behind the musics. They've been playing that Top 100 artists of hard rock quite a bit, and he's on there a bunch talking about different bands. So he has some current status and relevance. No, he's not necessarily a star these days, but he is known. The Planet Us thing has gotten a bit of press too.

    Now look at Dave. His last moment in the sun was the '96 fiasco, and he didn't come off looking too good. (In fact, I think Sam is the only one who DID come out looking normal.) I didn't see it, and don't know when it was, but I recall discussions here about an appearance on Letterman maybe that didn't go so well. He's gotten no ink for anything new except perhaps this DVD thing, which wasn't good press, and he's not on any TV other than when Van Halen is mentioned. Dave needs some credibility, and now.

    This tour, if it actually comes off, could be a Godsend to both, but especially Dave. The uniqueness of the situation will get some initial attention, and if Dave does some good shows, it could help him alot. Neither one could make a splash alone, but together...

    IMO, Dave needs it more. I'm not saying Sammy doesn't need it or couldn't use a bump, but on a relative basis...

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    Sammy does have a bit of a higher profile. That and he has a record company that, while presenting the view of being semi-independent, has more marketing muscle behind it than Dave's checkbook could muster. Granted, Sammy isn't exactly a top draw anymore either, but he's starting to get to that age where he's been around so long that it's "cool" to like him again (as bands like Bon Jovi and Def Leppard have found out).
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    Originally posted by Tony the Tiger:
    I'm not going to the show and I'm not supporting this bullshit business move. The fans are smarter than this.Is Sammy selling tequila and Red Rocker sun glasses and shampoo at the show too. Go to his site and check out his merchandise. Wake up people its not about the love of the art its about the money.
    Yep, it's called capitalism. Hell, they've already got my money. Sam, Dave and the Beer people too.
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    Originally posted by Elwood P.:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tony the Tiger:
    I'm not going to the show and I'm not supporting this bullshit business move. The fans are smarter than this.Is Sammy selling tequila and Red Rocker sun glasses and shampoo at the show too. Go to his site and check out his merchandise. Wake up people its not about the love of the art its about the money.
    Yep, it's called capitalism. Hell, they've already got my money. Sam, Dave and the Beer people too.</font>[/QUOTE]What, you haven't bought the tequila? Shame on you. You go right now and pad Sammy's pockets a bit more, damn you.

    Sheesh! What kind of fan are you? (shaking head)


 

 

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