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    The defenders of the Van Hagar era always point out that Eddie was able to "go to the next level" when Sammy was in the band. While it's obvious that Sammy was more lenient with the keyboard based ballads, the sad truth is that Van HALEN (see the tagline if you don't know what that means) was a far more musically diverse unit than Van Hagar ever dreamed of being.

    Van Hagar did a bunch of similar sounding keyboard ballads that all had the word "love" in the title. But when did they do anything that compared to "Eruption", "Spanish Fly", "Cathedral", "Big Bad Bill" - truly original songs that set them far apart from the pack.

    And I know somebody's going to say... "Wait a minute! Most of those songs you just mentioned were ALL Eddie!!" and yes they were. Or were they? Why couldn't Eddie come up with anything comparable during the 11 years of Van Hagar's existence? Because Sammy wasn't pushing him to do better. Sammy is who he is, and can't really be blamed for that. He's a cool guy in and of himself. But he wasn't the right guy to get the truly great results from Eddie Van Halen.

    I believe the next album will prove this beyond a reasonable doubt. Me Wise Magic only hinted at it.

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    Same can be said for David Lee Roth. People make fun of the "poppy" sounding Hagar-era. Well three words, folks: JUST LIKE PARADISE! cheesy, synthesized bass line, clean sounding synth sound. That's the most BLATANT pop song if you ask me. Wonder why die-hard Dave fans never mention that song?

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    This is a tough one because I'm one of those who loves all Van Halen. I agree that Eddie needed Dave, but how about Dave needing Eddie? I've got every DLR solo album and they're all great. But, like your opinion of the Hagar era, Dave never came close to sounding as great solo as he did with Van Halen. The original post really serves to make me wonder why Dave was crazy enough to leave VH in the first place. You don't blame Dave for taking the path he took from 1985 to now, why expect that Eddie was just going to crawl into a hole and quit following his artistic vision just because Dave left.

    Good discussion topic, hopefully it remains friendly.

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    dave is van halen

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vic Vega_0609:
    Wonder why die-hard Dave fans never mention that song?

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    Well for my part I never fail to mention that Skyscraper is my favorite DLR solo album, and Just Like Paradise is among my top 3 DLR solo tunes.


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    People really listen to solo DLR?

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    Just Like Paradise went Number 1. Did Sammy ever make any number ones. Honestly, that wasn't sacastic, did he?

    Hey Jimmy, you aught to check out DLR Band. Dave's voice is back. It's a complete 180 degree turn from the sound on YFLM.

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    Ed needs Dave

    Dave needs Ed

    Big Bad Bill wasn't original



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    Nightprowler stop saying Dave is Van Halen. It's pissing me off. Dave is not Van Halen. If Dave was Van Halen 5150 wouldn't have sold 6.9 million copies!

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    I think FORD is saying that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, Glenn, not that DLR is the magic. Tell me if I got that wrong, FORD.

    Like the icon, you can go blue in the face arguing this one. It comes down to taste. Some people would have you think that when DLR was in VH they shaped rock and pop, and that when Sammy was in VH rock and pop shaped them. I think that's BS. Dave pushed the band towards pop as hard as Hagar. The success of Pretty Woman drove them to making a CD that was half already-successful cover tunes. Which Dave did for his EP, knowing full well (based on his experience) would sell well.

    The keyboards? Come on FORD, give me a break. Ed started to enjoy keyboards long before 1984, and the most successful DLR-era tune had keyboards in it. It was a natural progression for Ed to continue to explore them, and would have done that with Dave around or not.

    The whole Dave/Sammy debate is silly. Yeah, I do it too. But some people get too wrapped up in it and get pissed if someone says Dave is better than Sammy, or that Sammy is better than Dave. My dad can beat up your dad, but does it really matter?

    As for DLR solo--man, to me the best combo of albums is Fair Warning and ALAE out on random. It's just DLR nirvana to me.

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    Yeah I agree with FORD BUT how many RUNNING WITH THE DEVIL'S and UNCHAINED'S can Eddie write . You know what I mean . Progression , maturity , growing up musically .

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MikeL:
    Ed started to enjoy keyboards long before 1984, and the most successful DLR-era tune had keyboards in it.
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    Van Halen 1 had keyboards in it???? I don't remember that.

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    redfire, I don't think that MikeL is talking about VH1.

    I think he was citing "Jump" as being "the most successful DLR-era tune" having keyboards.

    Before "1984" Eddie was pimping some synth on "And The Cradle Will Rock" (WACF 1980) and "Sunday Afternoon In The Park/One Foot Out The Door" (Fair Warning - 1981), for example.

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    Let's try to keep this topic about the music, and how it changed between eras. I want to see this subject continue, rather than turn into a chest-beating DLR lovefest. There's plenty of other topics for that that aren't as interesting and enlightening as this one might prove to be.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jimmy:
    People really listen to solo DLR? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Actually, me and my girlfriend enjoy a lot Dave's solo.
    She enjoys especially songs like Just Like Paradise, California Girls, Just a Gigolo, Sensible Shoes, Weekend with the Babysitter.
    They are great rock songs. And if JLP got synthesized bass, it's still ONE THOUSAND TIMES better than the electronic drums and keyboards used on most of 5150. Get a listen to Love Walks In on that record, compare it to the RHRN version and you'll understand why it sucks in comparison. Electronic drums were the worse invention of the 80s, and Dave never used them.

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