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    This is the reason why the only tour that will work would have to be with DLR. Because nobody gives a fuck about the Van Hagar catalog, other than already established Van Hagar fans, especially from the younger generation. Anyone who is buying the Halen back catalog is buying the Dave Era. I am new fan who has been introduced to the Dave era and then moved on to Sammy, in particular OU812, and nearly stuffed M80's into my ears to stop the torture. From my age group, 23, VH is DLR. As the new issue of Spin Magazine says, Sammy killed VH. The proof is in the back catalogs. With Sammy, the audience is going to be the same as the 86 tour and with Dave you will get people young and old who are looking for a slice of VH nostalgia. Time has not been as kind to Van Hagar.

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    Thanks for a younger opinion. I am 31 and I have not been able to watch MTV since I was 23. It is interesting to hear from a different age group. I have no idea what younger people really listen to nowadays other than the stereotypical(Which I don't even know if it's true) Britney and Boybands. It's cool to hear that new people are just getting into Van Halen. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
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    Originally posted by man of the people:
    As the new issue of Spin Magazine says, Sammy killed VH. The proof is in the back catalogs. With Sammy, the audience is going to be the same as the 86 tour and with Dave you will get people young and old who are looking for a slice of VH nostalgia. Time has not been as kind to Van Hagar.
    Spin magazine usually has great words to say about the "classic" Van Halen [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

    and I agree with everything you posted.

    whenever I have a chance to talk "Van Halen" with people younger than me who aren't "die-hards" like most of us, they usually say the same thing--"the Roth era is Van Halen"

    MARD won't like hearing that! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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    I mean come on folks!

    what sounds more like today's hard rock??

    Van HALEN
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    Van Hagar???

    It's obvious! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/bounce.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]
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    I believe the key reason Dave era is more popular with young people is because it has attitude. One thing early VH had over the Hagar years was attitude. VH with Hagar moved towards an older, more mature crowd, with songs aimed at love. Obviously couples will relate more to the Hagar years, but VH with Roth truly epitomizes attitude, rebellion, sex, and rock and roll.
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    Originally posted by man of the people:
    This is the reason why the only tour that will work would have to be with DLR. Because nobody gives a fuck about the Van Hagar catalog
    This is not true in the least, DLR has to rely on old VH tunes, Sammy does not. Sammy had a list of hit songs before joining VH that are remembered by many of us. I am just as much of a DLR era fan as anyone here but lets be realistic, DLR did not have much of a solo career compared to Sammy and does not "need DLR to make a tour work" by a longshot.

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    Originally posted by Edeble Ed:
    I believe the key reason Dave era is more popular with young people is because it has attitude. VH with Roth truly epitomizes attitude, rebellion, sex, and rock and roll.
    And that's why that erea was so fuckin' good. Van Halen from 1978 - 84 were the ultimate party band. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

    [ August 05, 2002, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: AJW ]

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    I don't agree with anything that Man Of The People said. Dave hasn't toured with VH since 1984. Younger VH fans remember VH better with Sam not Dave. My friends don't know VH with Dave only Sam since they saw VH on the Balance tour. This is definately an opinions topic, so I will move it to the right forum.
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    Originally posted by YankeeRose:
    I don't agree with anything that Man Of The People said. Dave hasn't toured with VH since 1984. Younger VH fans remember VH better with Sam not Dave. My friends don't know VH with Dave only Sam since they saw VH on the Balance tour. This is definately an opinions topic, so I will move it to the right forum.
    touring with VH has NOTHING to do with the music they like!

    The Beatles weren't touring when I heard Wings on the radio when I was a kid but I know The Beatles kicks Wings ass! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

    go to a skateboard park and ask those kids which music is cooler, Van HALEN or Van Hagar, they'll tell ya! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]
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    I like that everyone has an opinion they are willing to justify passionately. However, I am getting a bit weary of the "Van Hagar era didn't rock" -- in my defense:

    Mine All Mine, Black 'n Blue, Poundcake, Judgement Day, Amsterdam, Aftershock

    Those tunes, to name some, are SOLID. I have been a fan of VH since 1978 and I have enjoyed both eras -- I agree that the Roth and Hagar eras are different animals, for sure. But... don't fool yourself into thinking that the Hagar era was all about syrupy love.

    AND... can back-catalog sales be used to justify an argument? If you want to talk numbers, consider the number of years that VH1 through 1984 have been available, versus 5150 through Balance. For the record, I think F.U.C.K. is every bit as great as 1984.

    The Hagar era IS roping in new fans... one of my pals just picked up 5150 and was totally blown away. Hagar era tunes like Summer Nights, Don't Tell Me, Right Now and Poundcake will contine to wrangle in new fans for a long time to come. Bet on it.
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by hain23x:
    "go to a skateboard park and ask those kids which music is cooler, Van HALEN or Van Hagar, they'll tell ya! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] "

    Oh yeah, I know that's where I always go when I want the definitive answer of what's "cool".

    Tell ya what, using your own analogy and taking it a step further, proceed to then ask the same kids who is "cooler", "Van HALEN" or Eminem and see what they say... I rest my case.

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    For the record, I think F.U.C.K. is every bit as great as 1984.

    I think it's better. 1984 is my least favorite VH album.

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    Hey SBS, great point!

    ouncie33: I agree! I was doing my best to pull a Mike, err... Switzerland.
    Give me ambiguity or give me something else!

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    hey guys,

    if Van Hagar is your bag then more power to ya!

    whatever floats your boat

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    [quote]Originally posted by hain23x:
    go to a skateboard park and ask those kids which music is cooler, Van HALEN or Van Hagar, they'll tell ya! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]
    Sweet Mother o' God! I can't believe I just read that. I doubt many kids in college know who Van Halen is, much less kids in a skateboard park. By all means, walk up to a bunch of kids on skateboards and ask them if they prefered Dave or Sammy. I'm SURE one of them will look at you with a knowing twinkle in his eye and say "Come on Hain, give me a break!"



    As far as the comments made by Man of the People.... -chuckle- Because he's a new VH fan that prefers Dave, he's blessed with the insight that ALL new VH fans prefer Dave! An argument based on a sample of one person......

    -sigh-

    That argument is backed up because Spin magazine agrees? (As we all know, Spin magazine is the Bible to all rock-n-roll fans....) Plenty of magazines, at the time Hagar joined, didn't miss Roth or his "attitude" (a.k.a. being a dick). Rolling Stone and Guitar For the Practicing Musician come to mind....

 

 

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