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    How many of you have had someone reply "Van Halen Sucks!" when your talking about about music? I have been an avid fan of the band for over 15 years. ever since i saw the 1984 tour i was hooked. since then vh has been a part of me. i listen to them everyday, and own about every import of interest from all three era's. yet i just
    do not know of any other vh fans. everyone i come across dismisses vh now day's. yesterday my friend just came out and said to me "Van Halen Sucks!, and here's why:
    1. broke up w/ dlr and fueded w/ him for how
    long?
    2. sammy would not sing but a hand full of
    dlr era songs.
    3. only made 4 studio recordings w/ sammy over 11 years. (sounds lazy)
    4 fiasco over sammy leaving/being kicked out? no one knows the truth.
    5. only 1 record w/ gary. the other they will not release/talk about. this over 4 yrs.
    6. kick gary out? will not tell why?
    7. vh made 6 rec. w/ dlr in 6 years. and
    five over the past 16 plus years since. the best of stuff and humans being not being counted.
    8. now they won't even state what they are doing.
    9. the point is van halen always said that
    they had the best fans on the planet but lets
    look at how they treat them sometimes. we
    help afford them the life they are living yet
    they can not even recognize that we deserve
    something back besides a record and tour
    every now and agian. every business is required to let stock holders know what is
    going on, what direction the bus. is taking.
    van halen is a business. i feel as though
    we the fans are the stock holders in a sense
    and they owe us information in return. i am not asking to know private things or what wolfies favorite video game is. i am aking
    who is in the band? are you recording? when
    do you anticipate your music to be completed?
    what musical direction are you going in?

    i have defended them through thick and thin
    because i love vh music. from running w/ the devil to once. i just dig it all and will continue to in the future (if there is a future for van halen). but i have to admit (this hurts to say) i see why so many say "van halen sucks". if we are the best fans on the planet then i think we are entitled to more than we are getting right now. over and out!

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    I don't think that Van Halen owes me an explanation for anything. I'd love to hear it, but I don't think I'm entitled to it at all.

    To me, Van Halen is a pure musical entity. What I mean by that is that they have been guided by their musical souls, not by trends or money issues. And because of that, they haven't traveled a straight line to get where they are. There's been a lot of curves in the road, and through it all Van Halen has made strong music that I enjoy. If other people don't care for VH, be it because of the music or the perception they have of VH as a whole, I don't let that bother me.

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    Wow. That really opened my eyes. I've never seen that band of people called VH for what they really are.

    Here'd I'd been judging the band by the music it makes... How could I have been so wrong?

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    I'll tell you why Van Halen 'sucks':

    1)they had the nerve to have a real virtuoso in the band, playing light years ahead of the pack.

    2)they didn't follow trends; they either set them or ignored them.

    3)they never looked like a freak show.

    4)the band's tits aren't impressive nor implanted.

    5)they weren't known for making the news for things like wife-beating, wife-killing, near-death experiences, gay escapades in a public bathroom, or homemade pornos.

    6)they always had their focus on the music.

    7)they didn't kiss Kurt Loder's ass.

    8)they never got good reviews; early, they were dismissed as adolescent drivel. later, they were slagged for being mature.

    9)they didn't put the same record out 12 times.

    10)they didn't worship Satan or have an ever-present corpse as a stage prop.

    11)they don't sound like grunge, nor do they combine rap and metal.

    12)Eddie doesn't play a 7-string, OR tune down 4 steps.

    13)they aren't particularly rebellious.

    14)they got MARRIED and had kids-no longer eligible bachelors.

    15)so far, nobody has died a tragic death as a result of drug overdose or ill-placed self-inflicted shotgun blast.

    16)they never made a movie.

    17)there aren't VH dolls out there.

    18)they existed and thrived in the '80's (shame on them)

    19)they didn't just cancel a show at the last minute just to make the news and get a crowd reaction.

    20)they went on MTV with David Lee Roth but didn't stay with him.

    21)Eddie got sober. Publicly, nonetheless.

    22)they had the nerve to SMILE on stage-and we all know the only emotion rockers can have is angst.

    23)eddie has played keyboards, and we all know that synths are for non-musicians (right, Lead Synth?)who can't play guitar.

    24)they had 5 #1 records....must be sellouts.

    25)nobody calls them 'metal' anymore...and only metal and hip-hop are cool.

    26)they aren't political activists, and they don't hug trees.

    27)they didn't intentionally misspell any words in their name.

    28)their names are simple and boring: Ed, Al, Mike,Dave, Sam, Gary....where are the cool names, like Slash, Munkey, and Geezer?

    29)they always sound like they know what they're doing. hell, they might have even PRACTICED-that's not art, it's all fake-ANYONE can practice.

    30)they haven't worked with Bob Rock.

    Get the picture?? Can you say 'envy'? Van Halen represents all the REAL things that so many other posers and poseurs are incapable of. People watch Jerry Springer so they can feel good about themselves because they feel SUPERIOR to what's on the screen. Van Halen has made people feel bad, because they showed that 'normal' people can be musicians, WITHOUT the silly gimmicks. People don't want to think that artists are 'normal', because for them it's better if their heroes are freaks-that way, it's easier for them to deal with their own lives. So yes, in many peoples' eyes, VH does suck, and above are a handful of their reasons for thinking it.

    I, for one, feel differently, and nobody can take that away from me. Comprende?

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    Well said Abe. I couldn't have said it any better.

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    I think Abe pretty much said it best, but I just want to comment on the number of albums since 1986 deal - that is pretty much the case with any band worth their salt anymore - about 3 years per album. Sucks sometimes, but that's the way it is.

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    Van Halen does what they wanna do. I just wish they would think of the fans. Then, they would be a little more cool in my opinion. MUSIC is terrific. But, VH needs some counseling on how to deal with their fans. Not the media or general public, but their fans. Enough is enough, I don't care if you call it quits or keep rocking Eddie. Just let us know and quit making us hang on like big fucking dumby loosers.Peace out.

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    Abe: I couldn't agree more. I think you really have to respect that they have kept their internal troubles from the public for the most part. They have made no excuses, and they continue. Hopefully, they will give us a bone soon.
    later.

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    Great post Abe. My thoughts exactly. They owe us nothing. Van Halen puts out the songs they create, when they're ready to do so.
    Nobody's twisting our arms to buy them.

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    Gotta make a few corrections to Abe's otherwise well done post.......


    3)they never looked like a freak show.

    oh I don't know.... what about that dorky ass hat Eddie wore in the "Without You" video?

    5)they weren't known for making the news for things like wife-beating, wife-killing, near-death experiences, gay escapades in a public bathroom, or homemade pornos.

    The homemade porno might have been more entertaining than the homemade "Once" video was. And who needs gay escapades in a public bathroom when you can have guitar butt ramming simulated on stage? (VD III tour)

    14)they got MARRIED and had kids-no longer eligible bachelors.

    True for Eddie and Mike. Alex got married but never stayed that way. And Dave has never been married to my knowledge. Sammy seems to be steadily married, but not to his first wife, and Cherone also is not married.

    20)they went on MTV with David Lee Roth but didn't stay with him.

    They really DID suck for doing that!

    30)they haven't worked with Bob Rock.

    Actually, Dave did, on ALAE.


    Now as for my own 2 cents on the subject....

    Anyone who says Van Halen sucks has obviously never heard Van HALEN. That will be remedied soon enough.

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    Eat Us And Smile!!

    [This message has been edited by FORD (edited August 20, 2000 at 08:36 PM).]

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    Van Halen sucks like Tiger Woods.

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    Hasn't Sammy been married and with a daughter for about five years?

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    Abe - very well said

    ksks - sounds like you have a lot of pent up frustrations regarding this "waiting game". That goes for all of us.

    Glenn, I agree. We, the fans, should not expect any word from them until they are ready. We have to remember that even know they are a band, have great talent and that we are the biggest fans, that VH is also a business and I think (this time?) they really want to run this business right.

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    Is this a trick question?
    Very nice post Abe.

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