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    He is so much cheesier than Hagar. I know I am going to pick a fight here but here me out. Ford and a few others always say sammy has cheesy lyrics etc but a few reasons I feel roth is cheesier
    1)His new video(LMFAO)
    2)Vegas style Dave
    3)the haircut
    4)The whole friggin persona from the early 80's
    (Its all friggin cheese)
    5)The game show host
    6)Ass less chaps
    7)stupid comments about I'll screw your girlfriend
    8)One break coming up-I get embaressed when i hear that(My 15 yr old son laughed when he heard it and said how lame is that)
    9)Dave kissing up to Ed (be a man Dave and tell Ed your not interested)
    10)the persona about never growing up_Its cool when your in your 20's, but maybe kind of sad when
    your in your 40's

    That said most of the music from early Van halen was great. they were my favorite band. I always thought some of the lyrics were lame but I enjoyed Dave and thought the music was great. I don't know that ton's of people think of dave as one of the best frontmen in history of American bands(Like someone posted here) but they were entertaining to me when i was a teenager and early 20's. I liked 1984 and was totally bummed when Roth left. When sammy was introduced I thought 5150 was the best album they had done song for song up to that point but I agree there was no song like Jump or Panama on there. By the time OU812 came out I still liked Van halen and thought that it was great music. I thought DLR's solo stuff was good also. My first thought when hearing the first Roth album was that he didnt need Eddie and I was now going to get twice the great music that I did before roth left. as time went on I was no longer a fan of solo Roth and lost interest in his career to the point I never bought his solo albums(My opinion they sucked). I was still a Van halen fan big time i still saw every concert either Dave or Van halen did in sacramento or the bay area. When Sammy was fired from the band I was happy Roth was back and I liked both songs on best of Vol 1. I also took Daves side in the war with Van halen and still believe Dave was right.
    Now what I don't understand and maybe never will is how some of the people in here constantly bash Sammy for being cheesy all the time when Dave is so much cheesier. I would guess its a macho thing but Dave is anything but macho in fact there have been so many whispers about daves sexual preferences that I would doubt that that is it. The only thing I can imagine is Dave fans feel if sammy would have bombed as Van halens lead singer the way Cherone did that Dave would have been back a long time ago. I for the life of me can't understand how there can be that much bitterness in some Dave fans towards Sam and the rest of VH. I know if you say anything you are accused of not having a sense of humor about Sammy.Well Roth has no career without Van halen zilch none and whats worse he knows it. I am happy as hell to be a Sammy fan and get new cd's that I enjoy quite often. Dave can't get a record deal is what I have heard. You can spin that any way you want but the facts are the facts. Sammy has had a career for 29 years and only 11 of them were in Van halen. I look forward to hearing my new Planet us songs and I look forward to hearing complaints about how bad they are and how there not as good as Roth would be. There's my rant. I listen to the sniping of hagar for so long and now you have my take on it. Long live Sammy Hagar,I mourn the death of Van halen but they left me a couple of years ago I was just to dumb to realize it. I think the best thing Roth could do is make a public statement and tell the truth and say you know as bad as i want to rejoin Van halen and as bad as the fans want me too. I will never join Van Halen until Ed treats me with the respect i deserve and admits he lied about me and used me in 96 to sell a few more CD's. Without David Lee Roth,Edward Van halen can't sell crap. ed pisses me off even more than roth fans who always diss sammy. but thats a different rant
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    This topic is better suited for VH Opinions, i'm moving it there.
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    Originally posted by cabowabo49:
    He is so much cheesier than Hagar. I know I am going to pick a fight here but here me out. Ford and a few others always say sammy has cheesy lyrics etc but a few reasons I feel roth is cheesier
    1)His new video(LMFAO)


    Three words : Judge Julius Hangman

    2)Vegas style Dave
    3)the haircut
    4)The whole friggin persona from the early 80's
    (Its all friggin cheese)


    As opposed to a guy who called himself "The Red Rocker", wrote half his songs about a color and wore gay ass red or yellow jumpsuits. And hair.... Come on, you can't possibly defend Hagar's hair "statements" in the last 20 years What was that thing in 86? A half - mowhawk?? Then to the mop look, the pseudo dreadlocks and the WWF thing he's got going now....

    5)The game show host
    6)Ass less chaps


    Did I mention red & yellow jumpsuits?



    7)stupid comments about I'll screw your girlfriend
    8)One break coming up-I get embaressed when i hear that(My 15 yr old son laughed when he heard it and said how lame is that)


    Your 15 year old son probably thinks Fred Durst has talent. BTW, you didn't mention what he thought about the line "I need a change, I need it quick, before it makes me sick"

    9)Dave kissing up to Ed (be a man Dave and tell Ed your not interested)

    Van HALEN is as much Dave's band as it is Eddie's. That will never change. Would you want to see something that you co-created go out as pathetic as this band is apparently doing. If Ronnie Montrose had damaged the band name Montrose to this extent, I guarantee you Sammy would let him know what he thought of it.

    10)the persona about never growing up_Its cool when your in your 20's, but maybe kind of sad when
    your in your 40's


    But when you're in your mid 50's, that's different, right? Sammy still sings about getting drunk, getting high, and getting laid, even though he has grandchildren.


    Now what I don't understand and maybe never will is how some of the people in here constantly bash Sammy for being cheesy all the time when Dave is so much cheesier. I would guess its a macho thing but Dave is anything but macho in fact there have been so many whispers about daves sexual preferences that I would doubt that that is it.


    You can start a rumor about anybody being gay, if you care to be that lame,Sammy lives in San Francisco doesn't he? And what's the largest population around there? He sure likes to use the word "ass" a lot, doesn't he? Hmmmmm.....
    (Do I actually believe Sammy is queer? Fuck no, but it would be that easy to start the rumor)

    The only thing I can imagine is Dave fans feel if sammy would have bombed as Van halens lead singer the way Cherone did that Dave would have been back a long time ago.

    In a way, Sammy DID bomb. He was either unable or unwilling to keep Van Hagar a rock band. He gave into Eddie's cheese tendencies and wrote contrived lyrics that fit the crap. Commercially successful, perhaps, but not at all like Van HALEN.

    I for the life of me can't understand how there can be that much bitterness in some Dave fans towards Sam and the rest of VH. I know if you say anything you are accused of not having a sense of humor about Sammy.Well Roth has no career without Van halen zilch none and whats worse he knows it.

    Listen to yourself. Roth has no career. Roth is gay. Roth is cheesy. If that's not bitterness, I don't know what is.

    I am happy as hell to be a Sammy fan and get new cd's that I enjoy quite often. Dave can't get a record deal is what I have heard. You can spin that any way you want but the facts are the facts.

    The facts also say that Sammy Hagar was dumped from MCA records after Red Voodoo failed to go gold. 1013 sold less than Red Voodoo. Can BMG dropping him be far behind?

    Sammy has had a career for 29 years and only 11 of them were in Van halen. I look forward to hearing my new Planet us songs and I look forward to hearing complaints about how bad they are and how there not as good as Roth would be.

    If the album is as good as HSAS or better, I'll gladly say so. However given what Schon & Hagar have done since that album, it's hard to be optimistic.

    There's my rant. I listen to the sniping of hagar for so long and now you have my take on it. Long live Sammy Hagar,I mourn the death of Van halen but they left me a couple of years ago I was just to dumb to realize it. I think the best thing Roth could do is make a public statement and tell the truth and say you know as bad as i want to rejoin Van halen and as bad as the fans want me too. I will never join Van Halen until Ed treats me with the respect i deserve and admits he lied about me and used me in 96 to sell a few more CD's. Without David Lee Roth,Edward Van halen can't sell crap. ed pisses me off even more than roth fans who always diss sammy. but thats a different rant
    Now that's a rant I can look forward to Eddie doesn't have any respect for Dave, Sammy, or any of us, that's obvious. And I don't see him having any self respect at this point either.
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    Originally posted by cabowabo49:
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    I said to myself after my first post I will give it one hour and see who responds first Hain or Ford. Ford you didnt let me down. Within one hour you were there to defend Roth.
    Well that's because evidently you are an asshole. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Diamond Dave fans are mature adults. The Sammy fans are kids, children who were just born or very young when Dave led VH to stardom.

    You actually have it backwards. Sammy is defended left and right on these boards like he is something special. He is not. He is gay.

    This is your brain on Sammy music.


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    Cabowabo49, you've got some balls to write a post like that. Yes, you have you're own opinion but man, that was harsh. FORD, nice response!
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    Originally posted by Sammy Who?:
    Well that's because evidently you are an asshole. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Diamond Dave fans are mature adults.
    LMAO... There's a contradiction in the statement above.

    Find it, win valuable prizes!

    The Sammy fans are kids, children who were just born or very young when Dave led VH to stardom.
    You don't know that. That's a huge assumption.

    I first found VH because of Sammy. 5150 was my first album. I actually had all the Sam-era albums and grew up on the Sam-era videos before I back-tracked and found Classic Van Halen. I've been a huge Dave fan ever since and don't listen to the Sam-era stuff anymore.

    Nuff said.

    You actually have it backwards. Sammy is defended left and right on these boards like he is something special. He is not. He is gay.
    What a mature adult you are. That's the way to show up those childish Sammy fans! [img]graemlins/drunk.gif[/img]

    Neither Dave nor Sam is gay. Each has looked fruity at times (admit it! ), but I'd kill to get just one tenth of the poon they've nailed through the years.

    And both singers are bashed and defended here. Those who complain about one singer getting some kind of special treatment are just wrong. There's no other way to put it.

    The same fans that whine about Dave getting special treatment are the ones who bash him, and vice versa for those that whine about Sam.

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    "Judge Julius Hangman"?

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    [quote]Originally posted by FORD:
    [QB]
    Originally posted by cabowabo49:
    He is so much cheesier than Hagar. I know I am going to pick a fight here but here me out. Ford and a few others always say sammy has cheesy lyrics etc but a few reasons I feel roth is cheesier
    1)His new video(LMFAO)


    Three words : Judge Julius Hangman

    2)Vegas style Dave
    3)the haircut
    4)The whole friggin persona from the early 80's
    (Its all friggin cheese)


    As opposed to a guy who called himself "The Red Rocker", wrote half his songs about a color and wore gay ass red or yellow jumpsuits. And hair.... Come on, you can't possibly defend Hagar's hair "statements" in the last 20 years What was that thing in 86? A half - mowhawk?? Then to the mop look, the pseudo dreadlocks and the WWF thing he's got going now....

    5)The game show host
    6)Ass less chaps


    Did I mention red & yellow jumpsuits?



    QB]
    But you ALWAYS fail to ever mention:

    A) The GIRLS bracelets
    B) The Girls clothes
    C) Id this Rob Halford or David Lee Roth?


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    Originally posted by Raldo:
    Cabowabo49, you've got some balls to write a post like that. Yes, you have you're own opinion but man, that was harsh. FORD, nice response!
    Balls to write that? What planet are you on, man? He was no harsher than FORD is on his best behavior!

    First of all, Cabo is right. David Lee Roth is 100% the epitomy of cheese cheese cheese, for all the reasons listed and more. He is a silly, cheesey goofball who happens to have been a critical part of some of the best rock music in the history of the world. So what if he is cheese? FORD, are you a lesser man because DLR is an idiot? Oh, then you compare him to Sammy. Go ahead and respond to cabo that way, since he did bring up Sammy, but I'm saying he's right about DLR, and I'm not going to campare it to Sammy. My post has nothing whatsoever to do with comparing DLR to Sammy. I've made other posts criticizing Sammy's tendency to write weak, easy lyrics, and, frankly, I think Sammy has ruined some great songs with stupid lyrics. So they are both cheese. So fuckin what. But to say Dave isn't cheese because Sammy is? Huh? Or that an expression of an opinion that was actually pretty fair takes balls? He didn't slam anyone here, he stated a preference for the DLR era music, but he spoke the 100% truth, DLR is cheese wiz. SO WHAT, get over it, the songs are still the best, and Dave sang em, so who cares?

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    Originally posted by Sammy Who?:
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    Well that's because evidently you are an asshole. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Diamond Dave fans are mature adults. </font>[/QUOTE]Really backed yourself up here didn't ya?
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    [quote]Originally posted by FORD:
    BTW, you didn't mention what he thought about the line "I need a change, I need it quick, before it makes me sick"
    I really can't understand why you constantly bash these lyrics. Personally, these lyrics in particular have fit into my life from time to time.

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    Everyone has their opinions. And that's Okay!!!

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    Try to hit it a couple of times throughout your post to create something called a paragraph.

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    Man, if we had a dollar for every time Sammy Who? repeated himself Brett could pay for the server VHForums is on without resorting to ads.

    Dude, we all know you have some kind of homo-erotic fascination with Sammy... get over it already!
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    They're both cheesy, in different ways. You decide.

    Exhibit A:
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