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    I was watching VH-1's Ultimate Albums show about Def Leppard's 'Pyromania' and I almost vomited.

    The Def Leppard boys & VH1 are claiming that is was the Pyromania album, released in 1983, that married hard rock & metal with catchy hooks and big vocals! Claiming that was the album that laid the formula for 80's music?!? We all know it was VH's 1st album released in Feb. 78' that had the blueprint for the huge sound and the fuzking of all thos elements..

    This is truly tragic. Even that former MTV vj JJ Jackson was on there saying how Pyromania was it. Saying how rock radio was a barren wasteland of bloated rock till Leppard released Pyro and saying how all the bands that came after copied Leppard's sound! BWAHAHAHAHAA!... And then I had to watch video of Leppard's idiot frontman doing the Diamond Dave leap off the drum riser. Its bad enough Leppard borrowed from VH's sound and style, but they stole their moves as well!!! VH1 made no acknowledgement of the fact Van Halen was already ruling the world and had released 3 albums before Leppard even debuted in mid-1980!!
    This is truly sick. Once again an American artist creates something, some idiots overseas take it, re-import it back to us, and now they are the geniuses!?!?!?!

    We can not allow this. Someone has to write to VH1 or to someone in the VH camp because those idiots in Leppard are taking credit for everything Van Halen invented!!!

    Not to mention VH developed their sound and style on their own.. And in the studio, they where able to get that huge sound to tape by playing live, with no overdubbs... Unlike Leppard, who needed babysitter/producer Mutt Lange to come in for Pyromania and co-write all their songs for them and shape their sound because their first 2 albums werent strong and didnt sell much!!
    VH never needed that, all Ted Templeman did was press 'record' and let them fly!! VH churned out original, amazing sounding albums in days, with most of the songs being captured 1st or 2nd take! Unlike Leppard, inthe studio for over a year and Mutt making them do 100 takes of every damn song(usually to a drum machine!) and then piecing the album together...

    Man, Van Halen is being screwed. I even saw Henry Rollins on Howard Stern talking about how he felt old school VH was absolutely genius cuz their music had cojones(balls) and how VH was the band that created that huge rock sound... EVen Henry knows!! How can VH1 be so foul and how can Leppars sleep at nite?!? Screw them all..

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    You're right. Those bands in the 80's imitated VH not Def Leppard.
    Right Now you're reading my post!


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    Good point, agreed.

    Not really Sam and Dave Tour talk though, so I'm sending this over to Opinions for now.

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    Well I guess if you live long enough you'll hear just about everything.

    Def Lep was damn lucky to have VH blaze the trail before them. Geez, VH's first album came out right in the middle of the disco era.

    Using the logic presented, we can "blame" Def Leopard for "Hair Bands" of the 80's. Gee, thanks a lot.

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    ahhhh...don't get too upset about that. It was a special on Def Leppard, so they had to pump them up a bit. Just think of all the wonderful things they'd say about Van Halen if they ever let VH1 do a "Behind the Music" on them.

    Hell, VH1 contradicts themselves in every show. I can't tell you how many times I saw that British guy show up in a Behind the Music special (who is that British guy anyways??) and he'd say "X" band is the biggest partying band of all-time. However, he said it in at least FOUR different shows about FOUR different bands. If I'm remembering correctly, the guy said it about Motley Crue, Metallica, Def Leppard and Poison.

    So, take their comments with a grain of salt. They have to pump up whomever they are talking about at the moment. That's how you increase ratings. That doesn't make it right, but that's the way it goes I guess.

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    I saw the same thing in the Def Lep and, gag, Bon Jovi "Ultimate Album" VH1 Specials for Pyromania and Slippery When Wet, respectively. In both cases they described the music scene a wasteland of new wave that was saved by these bands. Entertaining, yes. Untrue, abso-fuckin-lutely.

    I want the Van Halen I "ultimate album" special. With the exception of maybe the Beatles and Led Zep II, no album has created as big an impact on the music scene as that album. It revolutionized rock guitar and made hard rock listenable to a huge audience of both men and women. Every singer from 1978 on has been influenced by Dave and every guitar player has been influenced by Ed.

    IF only the band members would cooperate with VH1 for a special about VH1.

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    Yea, I have also heard on other band's shows how they all claim the same damn thing... We saved rock, there was nothing on radio till we got here, blah blah blah.. But the Leppard special took the cake cuz it home directly and stabbed me, as a VH fan and rock fan, through my heart. Also, they claimed that Def Leppard was the first band to rock hard enough for dudes but that also was melodic and catchy enough to attract tons of chicks to the shows?!?
    Again, bands like VH, Kiss, Led Zep, Aerosmith and more where all achieving that while Leppard where over there in England poppin' pimples... I dont know why in hell there hasnt been a VH Behind The Music. Their story reads like the American Dream- Immigrant family comes to America with their 2 very young sons etc... And they grow up to become one of the biggest and best bands EVER! Maybe they cant do a Behind the Music unless VH wants to talk?? Does anyone know if VH has even been contacted to do a Behind the Music or an Ultimate Albums show? Every geek from Poison to Wierd AL has a Behind the Music or Ultimate Albums show, why not VH? I know that VH was one of the first bands contacted to do an MTV Unplugged and they turned it down.. Do you think they have turned down VH1 for shows like BTM & Ultimate Albums???

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    I thought(according do that VH1 DefLep movie) that it was AC/DC that kinda inspired them

    if you listen to early DefLep, IMO, it sounds like early AC/DC
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    of course New DefLep sounds like PuC/WuC
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    Originally posted by Badabing:
    I was watching VH-1's Ultimate Albums show about Def Leppard's 'Pyromania' and I almost vomited.

    The Def Leppard boys & VH1 are claiming that is was the Pyromania album, released in 1983, that married hard rock & metal with catchy hooks and big vocals! Claiming that was the album that laid the formula for 80's music?!? We all know it was VH's 1st album released in Feb. 78' that had the blueprint for the huge sound and the fuzking of all thos elements..

    This is truly tragic. Even that former MTV vj JJ Jackson was on there saying how Pyromania was it. Saying how rock radio was a barren wasteland of bloated rock till Leppard released Pyro and saying how all the bands that came after copied Leppard's sound! BWAHAHAHAHAA!... And then I had to watch video of Leppard's idiot frontman doing the Diamond Dave leap off the drum riser. Its bad enough Leppard borrowed from VH's sound and style, but they stole their moves as well!!! VH1 made no acknowledgement of the fact Van Halen was already ruling the world and had released 3 albums before Leppard even debuted in mid-1980!!
    This is truly sick. Once again an American artist creates something, some idiots overseas take it, re-import it back to us, and now they are the geniuses!?!?!?!

    We can not allow this. Someone has to write to VH1 or to someone in the VH camp because those idiots in Leppard are taking credit for everything Van Halen invented!!!

    Not to mention VH developed their sound and style on their own.. And in the studio, they where able to get that huge sound to tape by playing live, with no overdubbs... Unlike Leppard, who needed babysitter/producer Mutt Lange to come in for Pyromania and co-write all their songs for them and shape their sound because their first 2 albums werent strong and didnt sell much!!
    VH never needed that, all Ted Templeman did was press 'record' and let them fly!! VH churned out original, amazing sounding albums in days, with most of the songs being captured 1st or 2nd take! Unlike Leppard, inthe studio for over a year and Mutt making them do 100 takes of every damn song(usually to a drum machine!) and then piecing the album together...

    Man, Van Halen is being screwed. I even saw Henry Rollins on Howard Stern talking about how he felt old school VH was absolutely genius cuz their music had cojones(balls) and how VH was the band that created that huge rock sound... EVen Henry knows!! How can VH1 be so foul and how can Leppars sleep at nite?!? Screw them all..
    The Roth era VH wasn't as poppy as Def Leppard was with Pyromania, that's why VH1 made that claim. And they have better (or poppier) 'hooks' than VH with Roth...

    I agree that many bands in the 80s are trying to emulate VH not DL, especially singers.

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    Originally posted by Smokin' 5150:
    I saw the same thing in the Def Lep and, gag, Bon Jovi "Ultimate Album" VH1 Specials for Pyromania and Slippery When Wet, respectively. In both cases they described the music scene a wasteland of new wave that was saved by these bands. Entertaining, yes. Untrue, abso-fuckin-lutely.

    I want the Van Halen I "ultimate album" special. With the exception of maybe the Beatles and Led Zep II, no album has created as big an impact on the music scene as that album. It revolutionized rock guitar and made hard rock listenable to a huge audience of both men and women. Every singer from 1978 on has been influenced by Dave and every guitar player has been influenced by Ed.

    IF only the band members would cooperate with VH1 for a special about VH1.
    I think Van Halen 1 deserves an ultimate album special. In my personal opinion, it's the 2nd greatest hard rock album ever. Of course, knowing VH1, if they were to do a VH ultimate album, it probably would be 1984 because of the singles from that album. Even though 1984 sold a gazillion amount, it's nowhere as great as VH1.

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    Well, the first 2 Leppard albums from 1980 & 1981 did have plenty of ACDC influence to them, along with VH influence.. Sure, Pyromania was a bloated slick overproduced hit, lol, but VH was there with that huge rock sound first, end of story. While VH never needed outside songwriters and 100 takes of every song, they did manage to get in some catchy, poppy, even danceable tunes onto their first few of albums before Leppard hit the scene in mid 1980...
    Jamie's Cryin', Dance the Night Away, Beautiful Girls, Feel Your Love Tonite, Women in Love, In a Simple Rhyme etc..
    And i do wish an Ultimate Albums for Van Halen 1 will be done. Not only one of the greatest debut albums ever, but simply one of the greatest albums ever, period. For rock music AND guitar playing.

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    I can't wait to see the Aerosmith BTM peronally, I mean they had the most BTMish career one could think of. I mean there was lots of [img]graemlins/bounce.gif[/img] and then of course the 10 year period when the band was [img]graemlins/drunk.gif[/img] off of their asses and didn't do anything, frankly I'm suprised VH1 didn't think of those guys sooner.
    Actually, Van Halen was often credited for the inspiration they gave to the 80's hair stuff on VH1, but of course it wasn't on a special about Def Leppard. Anybody ever see that Top 40 Hairbands thing that Dee Snider hosted? There were 40 segments on those bands, and about 30 said something about David Lee Roth, or Eddie Van Halen, or just Van Halen in general. VH1 will be factual...if it doesn't have anybody to favor of course.
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    I'm not slagging VH1. In fact, despite the fact that it is a terrible sign that I've gotten older, I love the channel. I think there treatment is generally fair and Van Halen always seems to have gotten their due. (Henry Rollins appears to be such a big fan of Dave-era VH that I would not be surprised if he lurked on this and the DLR ARMY boards).

    That said, I would think that VH1 is dying to do something on the Van Halen soap opera (after all, back in the day VH-DLR were the subject of no fewer than 3 or 4 MTV Rockumentary Specials). They've got plenty of history footage and could problably put together an excellent piece if not handcuffed. And VH1 can be handcuffed, the Journey piece was strictly controlled by Steve Perry and the band really could not say what a fuckin' tool that dickhead is. I think a read an interview with the former manager on Andrew's site telling the truth about Journey.

    But again VH1 is an excellent channel. I watched an entire "Driven" special about Christina Aguiliera last nite. I'd love to make her sing about my "Weenie In Her Bottom", err, I mean "Genie In A Bottle."

 

 

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