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    1. Would ALAE have sold better if Vai and Sheehan had played on it?
    2. What would ALAE have sounded like if the EEAS band had played on it?
    3. Would Dave have stayed a rocker, avoided Vegas, and not made YFLM if ALAE had sold better?
    4. Who would you like to see Dave sing a duet with? (Maybe Billy Idol?)
    5. Why hasn't Dave made a new album in almost half a decade?

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    1) I don't think so. The virtuoso-style of playing would've just been on the way out when ALAE was released, wouldn't it? Not to downplay Jason Becker of course, but I think that the early nineties was kinder to blues-based players than shred Gods.

    2) Well, hopefully it'd have been mixed better! I can barely hear the lead guitar on my CD. But in all honesty, I really have no idea what it'd sound like... I can't see Vai playing tunes like It's Showtime or Drop in the Bucket. doesn't work for me.

    3) Not sure if I'm really qualified to answer this one since I've never heard YFLM. I think if ALAE had sold more (it managed to sell what, 500,000 or 1,000,000 copies?), Dave probably would've stuck with a rock sound... but I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up doing the casino run anyway. The 90s wasn't really that kind to performers like DLR...

    4) How about Tim Curry...

    5) All kinds of reasons... failed reunions, lawsuits, a revolving door of band personnel, the Sam & Dave tour...
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    1.) I think it would have sold better with Vai and Sheehan. Maybe not immediately after the release, cause everybody who liked Dave did buy the record no matter who played on it, but in the long run, cause Vai and Sheehan are still out there playing on top of there league.

    2.) The songs on ALAE were written by more blues oriented guitarists, and i think itīs best if the person that writes a song also plays the song. Although i really respect Vai and think heīs technically the best one around, he lacks of feeling, so i donīt think it would have been better if Vai and Sheehan would have played on that record, because those songs are too bluesy and more of that oldschool RockīnīRoll attitude.

    3.) Iīm sure that the failture of ALAE was the biggest reason for him to change his sound, so iīll answer this one with:Yes.

    4.) Sammy Hagar [img]graemlins/sssh.gif[/img]

    5.) Well, actually heīs making one right now as you can see here:

    http://www.rayluzier.com/index2.shtml

    After his `98 DLR Band record he went on tour, then he started recording in ī99 with Ted Templeman, i donīt know how far they got, but iīm sure it all broke down when Gary quit VH, and Dave got back in. Then Ed got sick (as well of him as of cancer). I guess Dave waited for Ed to get healthy again. Last year he gave up hope (for a reunion!), did the Sam and Dave Tour, and after that heīs now in the studio for his next release.

    So, if you look at it like this, itīs just bad timing all the time for Dave.

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    Better suited for Opinions and Speculation. Moving there now.

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    I'm not sure what could've saved A Little Ain't Enough - I think it's his best solo work, but obviously enough other people didn't agree. I think if he could've mounted a larger scale tour with Jason Becker able to play, that would've helped, but I don't know how much as big rock in general was taking a hit at the time.

    I think the album would've been bland had Vai and Sheehan performed on it.

    I'm not sure what Dave would've done had A Little Ain't Enough sold better. He was always eclectic - think "Big Bad Bill (Is Sweet William Now)", "Ice Cream Man", "Just A Gigolo", "That's Life" - I think the Vegas thing was more the result of having some down time than it was any kind of intended direction. And again, Your Filthy Little Mouth was just Dave trying some different musical styles - nothing new there, just some styles he hadn't tried before.

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    Dave's been too busy doing other stuff, as mentioned - trying to regain his spot in Van Halen, touring on his past, making uh, movies... I'm in no rush for his next album unless he plans to do something good.

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    I own all five of Dave's solo studio discs and I think they are great. The only one I don't own is Crazy From The Heat. I think YFLM is brilliant and I think the DLR Band is one of his best ever from a musical standpoint.

    ALAE is a great disc but it came out right before the whole grunge thing hit and while Dave and VH pretty much kick started that whole style in the late 70s when bands like Sabbath, KISS, Aerosmith and Ted Nugent were beginning to wear out their welcome the whole happy metal thing as Dee Snider likes to call it wore out it's welcome. Personally I never stopped listening to it and even though I think Dave is a dick and I'd like to give him a good slap upside the head I love his music.

    I second the Sammy Hagar motion. I would've loved to have seen Michael, Dave and Sammy jam this past summer. I gotta give Sammy props for atleasting trying to make it happen even though I am sick of both he and Dave.

    I know I say some harsh shit about Dave sometimes but I don't feel it's without merit. Hell I love the guy as a fan but I just don't understand him or his line of thinking and from the sounds of it many others don't either.

    Skyscraper is probably my favorite by him. Damn Good is a favorite of mine. Wish he could be that heartfelt in real life and just cut the shit. Don't get me wrong I don't solely blame Dave but I think over all Eddie, while not perfect is probably a more reasonable person the Dave or Sammy. Personally I think Eddie just got tired of letting people walk on him of which I think both Dave and Sammy did their fair share
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    ALAE is a masterpiece. It really was Dave at his best, and in my mind is on par with most anything he did with Van Halen. It's the one shining moment in Dave's career when he was honestly willing to work towards making the very best album he could. What I mean is he was willing to work with other people, from Bob Rock doing the producing (instead of Dave interferring or doing it himself) to assembling a great song writing team that extended beyond his somewhat unstable band. I think he made a lot of personal sacrifices and compromises in order to do all of that. Everything was tailored to suit his talents and abilities, and it shows in the songs. His voice was never finer than on ALAE.

    All that effort and willingness to work was sabotaged by fate. From Becker falling ill to the album being released on the day the Gulf War started, to musical tastes starting to change it was doomed. Having everybody's favorite guitar whore (Joe Holmes) on the tour probably didn't help.

    I think the relative lack of success combined with having to look for yet another great guitarist (how many times can a guy get lucky?) made Dave somewhat disillusioned about rock and roll. It also gave him a great opportunity to branch off into some of his other musical interests, like we saw on YFLM.

    If ALAE had been released in 1986 instead of EEAS it would have been a huge, killer album. Bigger than EEAS I think, and perhaps history would have turned out a little differently. I do wonder what would have happened had Becker been able to continue. I'd have loved to hear him work more with Dave, and I think he suited Dave's style much better than Vai ever did.

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    I didn't know Joe Holmes toured with DLR. Why do you think that detracted from ALAE's success? He's a killer player, IMO. Just listen to some of the Ozzy bootlegs. I was disappointed when they brought Zakk Wylde back into the band; I was really looking forward to hearing Down To Earth (which turned out to be the worst Ozzy album since The Ultimate Sin, IMO) with Joe on guitar.

    That tidbit aside, I agree with you completely.
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    Originally posted by BAM5150:
    I didn't know Joe Holmes toured with DLR. Why do you think that detracted from ALAE's success? He's a killer player, IMO. Just listen to some of the Ozzy bootlegs. I was disappointed when they brought Zakk Wylde back into the band; I was really looking forward to hearing Down To Earth (which turned out to be the worst Ozzy album since The Ultimate Sin, IMO) with Joe on guitar.

    That tidbit aside, I agree with you completely.
    I would suspect that Joe Holmes may not be the best songwriter. He's good enough to tour with the big boys, but they choose not to write with him. He strikes me as being a little "George Lynchish" that way. Great player, hit and miss on the songwriting.

    Great post Mike L., ALAE was a highly underrated release and I think you've summed up DLR's issues between that recording and YFLM to a tee. It would appear we can agree on something.

    Lyrically, I think "Dogtown Shuffle" was one of Dave's best, and Jason was smoking all over that album. To me, ALAE almost seems like the natural progression after EEAS. Skyscraper was a detour into the land of Steve Vai's eclectic side and Dave's self-indulgence (they did produce it after all). Skyscraper has not really stood the test of time for me, while ALAE stills kicks whenever I throw it on.

    One of my biggest complaints about the grunge onslaught that killed the career of DLR and some many others, aside from the fact that it nearly wiped out the concept of guitar virtuosity, is the complete absence of humor. Aside from pop punkers, there are virtually no rock bands with a sense of irony or double entendre in their music. As the former clown prince of rock, Dave doesn't seem to fit into the current "poor, pitiful me" landscape that so many lyricists are treading.
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    I guess I'm the opposite. I didn't care much for Skyscraper back in the 80s but now listening back I find I'm drawn to it. It's a strange record but I like it. Maybe because I miss that era of music alot. Damn Good is a favorite of mine as well.

    I love The Ultimate Sin. It's my favorite Ozzy album next to the two he did with Randy. They are Ozzy's top three albums in my opinion. No More Tears is good. The other three are hit and miss with me.
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    Originally posted by MikeL:
    ALAE is a masterpiece. It really was Dave at his best, and in my mind is on par with most anythin...........I'd have loved to hear him work more with Dave, and I think he suited Dave's style much better than Vai ever did.
    To me ALAE represented the first step in what SHOULD have been the logical progression for DLR's solo career, It struck me as hitting a sustainable route for him.

    It's only natural DLR wasnt gonna be Mr 80's pinup boy forever, and given his lifestyle his voice probably wasnt gonna hold up forever - but if he buried himself in a deep bluesy rock style, this kinda thing wouldnt matter a great deal, and could actually work to his advantage.

    I guess it's pretty normal human nature for DLR to see ALAE didn't perform so well as an album sales wise and therefore he wandered off looking for a new direction.

    It's also a great pity. Hes now apparantly lost any artisitic vision he once had and gets his kicks running round his backyard with a camcorder in his wetsuit.
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    I don't know about that. The DLR Band was a great record Slam Dunk, Loose The Dress, Black Light lots of cool stuff on it. I was hoping he and John Lowery working relations would pick up where he and Becker's relations left off and became Hallmark card material.

    I don't know even had Becker not gotten ill I wonder how long he and Dave would have lasted especially with Dave's sales and that whole style of music being on the decline as Dave doesn't have the best track record of keeping band members. We'll never know.

    Steve Hunter is great on that album too. He does some great stuff on Mouth too.

    I think if Dave really tried he could do what Alice Cooper does and release extremely modest selling records and tour theatres pretty successfully but I don't think Dave's behavior and attitude work for him that way

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    Originally posted by BAM5150:
    I didn't know Joe Holmes toured with DLR. Why do you think that detracted from ALAE's success? He's a killer player, IMO. Just listen to some of the Ozzy bootlegs. I was disappointed when they brought Zakk Wylde back into the band; I was really looking forward to hearing Down To Earth (which turned out to be the worst Ozzy album since The Ultimate Sin, IMO) with Joe on guitar.

    That tidbit aside, I agree with you completely.
    On that sidenote, Joe Holmes was awesome, but Zakk is alot better, just IMO. Down to Earth was very good, not quite as good as his last two efforts, but good. On DLR, ALAE is by far my fav solo Dave song, he should have played it live more.
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    Originally posted by rebel78:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by BAM5150:
    I didn't know Joe Holmes toured with DLR. Why do you think that detracted from ALAE's success? He's a killer player, IMO. Just listen to some of the Ozzy bootlegs. I was disappointed when they brought Zakk Wylde back into the band; I was really looking forward to hearing Down To Earth (which turned out to be the worst Ozzy album since The Ultimate Sin, IMO) with Joe on guitar.

    That tidbit aside, I agree with you completely.
    On that sidenote, Joe Holmes was awesome, but Zakk is alot better, just IMO. Down to Earth was very good, not quite as good as his last two efforts, but good. On DLR, ALAE is by far my fav solo Dave song, he should have played it live more.</font>[/QUOTE]I don't agree there... I think Zakk is awesome, but I get bored with his playing after a bit. I find he gets really repetitive at times... The only tunes on Down to Earth that I thought were half-decent were the ones that Holmes had a writing credit on, and one Palmer tune called Facing Hell. I'm probably biased though, seeing as how Holmes was a student of Randy Rhoads.

    Crazy from the Hemp - I think you may be right. Do you know any albums that this guy has written AND played on? I'd like to check some of his original material, see if it sucks donkeys or not...
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    Dave was the King, a pure genius at what he did hopefully the boys can work it out because I would love to see a reunion with the origonal guys, Dave still has it and it would be a complete success(except for the Sam fans)..

 

 

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