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    ed got sam back just to save the band cuz he doesn't wanna work with roth and do a few more albums and tours?

    or would it be cheesier if ed brought dave back just to do one album and tour so he could go out on top cuz III bombed even though he hates dave.

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    Originally posted by FORD:


    Realistically, at this point, the best thing for Van Halen to do is one last album and tour by the real lineup and then call it a day.
    They called it a day already.
    (But it wasn´t considered as newsworthy hehe)

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    Van Hagar would be cheesier without a doubt. But the first error is an assumption that a Van Hagar reunion would last longer than a Van HALEN reunion.

    Eddie & Alex have the skeletal structure of men 30 years past their chronological age. And Sammy, while in reasonable physical condidtion is, after all, in his mid 50's already. Given a typical 3-4 year gap between Van Hagar records, he would be 60 by the time the tour began for their second album. Do you really think he's gonna tour as the "Gray Rocker"??

    As long as Mikey can hit a high note in his harmonies, he's good to go, and Dave proved on his last tour that he's in better shape than a lot of 30 year olds.

    Realistically, at this point, the best thing for Van Halen to do is one last album and tour by the real lineup and then call it a day.
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    Sammy's age is way over-estimated as a liability around here. The bottom line is that for someone who is 53 (which, as you'll come to find out when you hit it, isn't really that old in the grand scheme of life expectancy), he is in light-years better health than Eddie or Alex. Any age-related touring issues would come from them, not Sammy.
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    Originally posted by Stuff No More:
    Sammy's age is way over-estimated as a liability around here. The bottom line is that for someone who is 53 (which, as you'll come to find out when you hit it, isn't really that old in the grand scheme of life expectancy), he is in light-years better health than Eddie or Alex. Any age-related touring issues would come from them, not Sammy.
    I agree, Stuff. I find it real funny how Sammy's age is a HUGE issue to some, but when talk of a new Stones tour is announced, everyone gets excited! Aren't the Stones in their 60's??? Isn't KISS in their 50's?? What about Ozzy & Sabbath? Lemmy? Aerosmith? These guys are older than dirt. Even though people slow down with age, they don't have to quit playing the music they love. And if anyone's seen Sammy within the past 4 years, that's at least 2 more tours than Van Halen's done. Pretty good for a "geezer" with a bad work ethic.

    Same goes for Dave. DLR can STILL kick it, but he's no spring chicken.

    Now, back to JMJ's post.

    Obviously "integrity" and "Van Halen" are 2 words that can't be used together too frequently. But, in regards to your question, I think VH should try and find some integrity and just call it quits. Ed and Sam still have some hard feelings (I'd imagine it's more of who wants to admit they were wrong now that RD is outta the picture) and by all reports, Dave has said "we all still hate each other". I don't see VH doing ANYTHING as a band until they get inducted into the RARHOF and even then, that is a BIG if.
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    My point about Sammy's age is that he's about 8 years older than the other Van Halen/Van Hagar members. Among aging rock stars, that can be significant. The Stones are still touring this summer, but Bill Wyman, who is 7 years older than Mick & Keith, dropped out after Steel Wheels. Ironically enough, he was probably healthier than the rest of the band, having consumed far less drugs.

    Sammy's whole M.O. since 1996 seems to be short tours when ever he feels like it. That's considerably different from the mammoth world tours of the Van Hagar years. Though an unlikely Van Hagar reunion wouldn't be huge, it would probably be a lengthy world tour and the second one, assuming it ever happenned, would take place with Sammy eligible for Social Security.

    Same with Boston... given their 8 year timetable between albums, I think it's safe to assume they know this album and tour is their last time at bat, and that's why the album is continuously delayed. They want to go out the right way.

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    I kinda see what you're saying, but with regards to Wyman being the oldest YET the most healthy, I'd wager the same would hold true for Sammy.

    Sure he smokes the hooch and guzzles his tequila. But what is his history with prior drug usage? I know VH used to be known for their cocaine habits and we all know how Eddie feels about smoking in general. The current health problems that befall Ed and possibly Al at this time could be more genetic afflictions that are not necessarily brought on by drug usage.

    The "tongue cancer" is speculated to be due to all the cigs he's smoked, but since the type of cancer has never been confirmed, we can only presume. The "hip" thing was degenerative, I believe. Genetic or just years of wear & tear? The same with Al's discs. I think the brothers are becoming brittle old men, through no fault of their own.

    Sammy, while years older than the band, still remains in relatively good shape. So does DLR. Obviously they ALL have their vices, but considering how fragile they are all becoming, I'd doubt we'd see a 200 show tour with either singer anyway.

    Don't discredit a reunion with Sammy either. While initially a DLR/VH reunion would indeed be substantially "bigger" (define 'bigger'...financially, promotionally, historically, etc), I also believe ANY type of reunion tour (Sammy OR Dave) would be very lucrative and rewarding for all of us.

    Look at how many of us are getting REAL close to getting off the VH coaster. I think ANY tour might just satisfy our cravings for a while. Here's something to consider though.

    IF Ed was able to perform (physically) at a managable level for an extended period of time, if he found himself again, if he felt this 'nostalgia' thing was more positive than negative, he might very well get a splendid idea of doing a double reunion tour. No albums, just playing a bunch of live music.

    Sammy for a year, then wrap it all up with a shorter yet more financially rewarding tour with Dave, then retiring. I figure by that time, we're looking at a 53 year old guitar virtuoso. Time WOULD be of the essence, but as we've all seen in the past 3 years, Van Halen is not that good of maximizing their time (at least in a performing sort of way.)

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    [ February 06, 2002 at 04:40 AM: Message edited by: Cabo Kid ]</p>

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    double post...

    [ February 06, 2002 at 04:39 AM: Message edited by: Cabo Kid ]</p>
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cabo Kid:
    The current health problems that befall Ed and possibly Al at this time could be more genetic afflictions that are not necessarily brought on by drug usage.

    The "tongue cancer" is speculated to be due to all the cigs he's smoked, but since the type of cancer has never been confirmed, we can only presume.


    Valerie confirmed in a TV Guide interview last year that Eddie had a growth removed from his tongue.

    The "hip" thing was degenerative, I believe. Genetic or just years of wear & tear? The same with Al's discs. I think the brothers are becoming brittle old men, through no fault of their own.

    Not so, unfortunately. Both smoking and alcoholism are known to deplete calcium from the body, leading to less density in the bone structure.
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    Something else that people don't seem to consider is suppose regardless of the singer, Eddie and Al only had one more world tour in them. What's to stop Van Halen from becoming a band that releases albums and does TV spots and occasional concerts, but not tours anymore?

    I suppose I can concede the point about age and touring, but does age really stop an artist from recording?
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    Originally posted by Stuff No More:
    Something else that people don't seem to consider is suppose regardless of the singer, Eddie and Al only had one more world tour in them. What's to stop Van Halen from becoming a band that releases albums and does TV spots and occasional concerts, but not tours anymore?

    I suppose I can concede the point about age and touring, but does age really stop an artist from recording?
    Van Halen/Van Hagar have always followed an album with a tour. Even the alleged "live" album. Even the failure VDIII. I can't picture them releasing albums without touring. Especially if it's with any other singers and airplay isn't an option, leaving touring as the only reliable means of promotion.

    That being the case, they might as well hang it up for good right now if they can't do the right thing.

    [ February 06, 2002 at 10:28 AM: Message edited by: FORD ]</p>
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    Originally posted by Stuff No More:
    Something else that people don't seem to consider is suppose regardless of the singer, Eddie and Al only had one more world tour in them. What's to stop Van Halen from becoming a band that releases albums and does TV spots and occasional concerts, but not tours anymore?
    Hey, then they can call the band Steely Ed.

    However, even Steely Dan enjoys touring nowadays and they're really older than dirt.

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    Originally posted by FORD:
    That being the case, they might as well hang it up for good right now if they can't do the right thing.
    Thank GOD we have you around to tell them the right thing to do, huh?
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