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    11.26.07 @ 11:06 AM
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    I have a combo on loan for a few weeks.
    It's got major grunt and power, but what's with the buzz? Sounds like a swarm of bees.

    I play a Wolf Standard, and have to back off the treble and presence.

    Anyone cares to suggest their EQ settings to get a strong distortion without too much bzzz?

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    Tried jacking the resonance and lowing the mids?

    Just a thought...
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    Welcome to the world of the 5150 combo.
    That's just one reason I got rid of mine a few years ago.

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    Originally posted by homeunit:
    Get a Mesa Boogie
    Just a little different price point there home between a 5150 and a Boogie. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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    I did jack the resonance way up to bring the bass up, and backed the mids as well, but I'm still not satisfied.
    I find myself using my neck pickup a lot to compensate and soften the buzz.

    I was hoping someone had a better idea... thanks anyway.

    I'm glad I don't own this 5150, because I would be disapointed if I had paid for it. I'm just grateful to have an amp for the moment, though. It changes from playing with the POD and headphones...

    I have never played a real Mesa, but have a virtual recto on the POD, and it's my favorite amp along with the Marshall. The Mesa screams like there's no tomorrow... !

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    The 5150's buzz, that's all there is to it.

    I have my mids pretty high actually, low's around 2 I think, my resonance around 6. I mean it buzzes but I just live with it. Of course it's a pain when you're recording with it.
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    does anyone here have a 5150ii? i'm just wondering if the buzz factor is any better on them, or if they still buzz like the 5150's do.

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    Changing the tubes can help, but ALL the buzz won't disappear. I've heard good things about JJ's taming the buzz a little bit.

    [ January 22, 2002 at 02:13 PM: Message edited by: Trennasol ]</p>

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    Alright, what are you people setting your pre gain on, because my 5150 does not buzz at all when I play live. The only time I get buzz is when I have to play at bedroom levels(if bedroom level is all you can play at, then the 5150 isn't for you). I run my pre gain on 3, treble at 6, bass at 7, mids at 5(depending on how well I'm cutting through) and this is the key, I look at the post gain as the anti buzz knob, because once I get up to hangin with the bass player and the drummer level, the buzz is gone. My only complaint at this point is that the fixed bias on the 5150 causes the power section to be kind of cold and sterile. This will all change after I have the fixed bias resistor replaced with a trim pot, allowing me to raise the plate voltage going into the power tubes to get some extra warmth out of the power section. Once that is done I'll be ordering matched quads of 2 6L6's and 2 EL34's from Bob at Eurotubes.com, allowing for integration of 6L6's on the outside and EL 34's on the inside. The mod costs about 50 bucks and the matched quad of 6L6's and EL34's cost the same as a matched quad of 6L6's. I reccomend anyone who isn't completely happy with their 5150 to try this out(hint hint). I've heard a 5150 with just the bias mod(running all 6L6's) and one with the mod running integrated 6l6's and EL34's with my own ears, and they both sound amazing.(I liked the integrated version best, really warm and punchy, and organic and "marshally") The warmth and richness of tone coming from the 5150's power section with a proper amount of plate voltage allows you to take advantage of the massive headroom in the preamp section. Sorry, I wrote a novel, but I just recently heard the 5150 with the integrated tubes and have to share with you all how great it was. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

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    You know what? Larry J has a point.

    Anyone who visits here regularly know I bash 5150s pretty hard BUT they are an awesome metal amp, you just have to know how to set them.

    What I used to do was use the rhythm channel as a clean (insert puke smilie here) channel, and the lead channel as my main tone. The trick is to keep the gain way down (like 3 or 4 max) and crank the shit out of it. That setup worked for me for around 5 years. The problem is it pisses off every sound guy that you meet, (understandably), and it makes rehearsing a bitch, 120 watts is a lot of juice! The problem with those amps, (to me) is they have too much gain, and the only way to clean them up is to either crank the fuck out of them, or use them as a preamp, (which works well, but is expensive, and a pain in the cock if your gigging regularly).
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    Two more things to do to tame the bee hive living inside a 5150:

    Use the LOW gain input and make up for the lower input level with the gain knob. It DOES help a bit.

    Put something in the effects loop. While an f/x unit may 'color' the sound, they can do wonders for smoothing things out.

    I have a head/cab (and use single coils!!) and can get a decent sound at low levels.

    As a last resort, put a pillow in front of the speakers.
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    Yes 5150's are bashed to hell here, but I still don't mind the amp at all, I think I get a pretty damn good tone from it. No the buzz really is not that bad for me, but compared to my older Marshall, yes it worse, but not much! I think like Larry J said, you guys are cranking your pre-gain way too much.

    Here are my settings...

    I use the high gain output jack.

    Pre-Gain = 6.5
    Post-Gain = Depends on how loud I need to be, usually 4.5 or 5 is ok for most situations.
    Low = 10 (I said 2 earlier like a dope)
    Mid = 2
    High = 5

    Presence = 6
    Resonance 6.5

    I run my effects processor through the loop and my wah, Phase 90 and flanger through the front.
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    Has anyone tried going straight in with a graphic EQ on the 5150 combo?
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    If I understand what everybody is saying. You need to be friggin' sound engineer with a degree in electronics, a tool box, soldering gun, and a truck load of spare parts in order to do anything with the 5150.
    I'm not ready for that; I already spend too much time and money tweaking my car, I don't need to spend my life under the hood of an amp.
    I'll just buy the Flextone II 212 I always wanted so I can get not one, but 32 great amps and millions of tone possibilities that sound fantastic at any sound level!!!

    Peace!

 

 

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