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    So,

    I have a person who wants to sell his Axis (Regular, not Sport OR Super Sport) and it is a Transparent Purple w/Stoptail. He said his reserve was $1000.00 but for me to "make an offer". I think $1000 would actually be a fair price, but I don't think the wife would let me "bite off that much" money. I'm going to offer $800. If I could get it for that, do you think it would be a good deal?
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    WOW!!! HOLYFUCKINGFUCK!!! What kind of Twilight Zone am I living in? What kind of Viagra-Testosterone mix are these 50 year old + guys on? I never thought I'd hear another Dave and Eddie album again. If I did, I thought it would be a mid-paced affair like the Rolling Stones or later day AC/DC. After the TATTOO single I was ready for a poppy album from old guys, with a few nods to harder rock (She's A Woman and Bullethead) and I would have been happy with that.

    I NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE GETTING A FULL-THROTTLE HARD ROCK, HEAVY METAL, BALLS TO THE WALL, FUCKING VAN HALEN THRASH METAL ALBUM!!!

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    The supersport is the best of the Axis line as far as I'm conserned. Good body wood, and more versatility. If you can get one with EBMM p-90's, even better.
    I think if he can get 800 for it he should consider himself lucky. There's no rarity in it whatsoever, and the pickups aren't those of the original EVH.
    I've seen the axis stoptails on ebay go for 600., and stores here can't give them away.

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    Wow! Thanks Tribb!

    I thought that the regular Axis was considered to be the best of the three models. I didn't realize the pickups were different and how little they were going for on Ebay. This guy thinks that the Stoptail regular Axis is somewhat rare and I wasn't so sure. I appreciate the heads up. I figured I would be getting a pretty good deal on it and I guess it really wasn't.

    I was basing my beliefs on the fact that new the regular Axis is the highest priced. I figured that the additional price was made up for in quality what it lacks in features. It (like the Wolf Special) only has volume control (no tone). The Sport and Super Sport models have a tone control and coil tapping (I think). I saw a Super Sport in platinum finish with MM90's (EBMM P-90's) AND piezo system for $999. Maybe I could talk that owner down in price instead and get a better deal and a better/more versatile guitar.

    Thanks again for the help.
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    WOW!!! HOLYFUCKINGFUCK!!! What kind of Twilight Zone am I living in? What kind of Viagra-Testosterone mix are these 50 year old + guys on? I never thought I'd hear another Dave and Eddie album again. If I did, I thought it would be a mid-paced affair like the Rolling Stones or later day AC/DC. After the TATTOO single I was ready for a poppy album from old guys, with a few nods to harder rock (She's A Woman and Bullethead) and I would have been happy with that.

    I NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE GETTING A FULL-THROTTLE HARD ROCK, HEAVY METAL, BALLS TO THE WALL, FUCKING VAN HALEN THRASH METAL ALBUM!!!

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    The super sport, as well as the sport has an option for an ash body, rather than basswood, which is a big plus. You can get it with the standard pickups coil tapped, and you might like that over the MM90's, which use a 3 way toggle because you can't coil tap them. Those regular coil tapped humbuckers sound good on an ash body too though, and the 5 way makes it much more versatile. The humbuckers sound brighter on an ash body as well, which could give you a better top end, as opposed to basswood. I liked the MM90's cause I'm into more of a strat sound these days.
    The super sports I played used a standard music man trem, which is like a strat trem.
    I played one very hard for about 20 minutes and it stayed in tune very well, but you might prefer a floyd type trem. One thing I also found, and I have no idea at all why this is, is that the neck on the super sport is pretty well identical to the original EVH, much closer than the axis.
    Again, I don't know why, but it feels just like an EVH neck, which the axis does not. The quality of the super sport is nothing less than excellent as well.
    My favorite model is the super sport with the EBMM trem, MM90's, and the ash body, but you might like the another model so check out :

    http://www.ernieball.com/mmonline/specs/

    and see what options you can get before you decide.
    Good luck.
    P.S. Here's a couple on ebay, but i don't know what the body materials are, so you'd have to ask.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=855892632

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=856381900

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    That second Ebay link was the one I was talking about with the MM90's. How much would be too much for a Super Sport in your opinion?
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    WOW!!! HOLYFUCKINGFUCK!!! What kind of Twilight Zone am I living in? What kind of Viagra-Testosterone mix are these 50 year old + guys on? I never thought I'd hear another Dave and Eddie album again. If I did, I thought it would be a mid-paced affair like the Rolling Stones or later day AC/DC. After the TATTOO single I was ready for a poppy album from old guys, with a few nods to harder rock (She's A Woman and Bullethead) and I would have been happy with that.

    I NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE GETTING A FULL-THROTTLE HARD ROCK, HEAVY METAL, BALLS TO THE WALL, FUCKING VAN HALEN THRASH METAL ALBUM!!!

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    Let me say, the SS is a real nice guitar. I played the one with the p-90s and ash body for a couple of days and itís great. The p-90 sound like a cross between a single and humbucker, tons of meat for a single. They also have active noise suppression which works like a hot damned.

    On a bit of a side note, I'm getting ready to get a guitar built for me and I was searching out neck shapes to get an idea of what I want. I really liked the Axis neck, didn't care for the Wolf neck, and really liked an old Strat neck. By chance I happened to pick this SS up and I got to tell ya, it fit like a glove. It was perfect right off the rack. I did some inquiring, and sure as shit, it's different from the regular Axis neck, and like Tribb says it's almost a dead wringer for the original EVH, right down to the contour on the back of the neck at around the second fret.

    Every MM product that I've played has been top quality, even when I didn't like them; I always had to say "damned this is a well built instrument".

    I didn't buy this one because they want $2200 Can for it, and the wood/electronic config isn't what I want. If I were in the market for an Axis, I'd for sure go for the SS, it's night and day diff from the regular Axis.

    As far as price goes, I would think you could get one for whatever you'd pay for a regular Axis, cause retail they're the same price.
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    That's a hard question to answer joedog. You'd just have to decide what it's worth to you personally.
    One thing I would recommend is that you find a way to try one yourself, whether it's at a local music store, or through a friend, before spending the money.
    Some guys love the MM90's, while others would rather have the EBMM humbuckers with the split.
    Body wise, as long as it's the ash body, the neck will feel great on the SS, so the pickups are the real issue.

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    Wow, I must be missing something...all due respect, tribb, but I can't tell any difference between either the Axis/EVH neck or the pickups! Well, not anymore difference that couldn't be accounted for by the fact that it's just a different piece of wood, or was built on a Tuesday rather than a Friday.

    Am I alone here?

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    Well, actually ratter it's common knowledge that the ones built on tues. were much better, but I thought everyone knew that.
    Just kidding.
    In truth though, the Axis pickups do not sound just like the original EVH pickups( I know what EBMM says), and the axis neck doesn't feel at all like the original EVH neck. If you played them side by side you could tell. Without going into a long story again, a couple of years ago I purchased an axis to take on the road so I could leave my EVH's at home. Even the other guys in the band could tell the sound was different, and it didn't feel the same either. I tried a few others, but finally gave up and went back to the EVH's. I finally had a guitar built for me and retired the EVH's as well.
    On the SS though, the neck is smaller and shaped amazingly just like an original EVH neck.
    Also, the pickups used on the axis have a brighter sound with more top end when used in an ash body. The original EVH's had basswood bodies, but even so, the p/u's sounded better defined with more clarity and top end, especially noticable during solos.
    The original EVH's seem to have a more nasal sound as well.
    I just found the super sport to be much closer in feel to an original EVH, and soundwise I thought the ash body gave it a big improvement in sound over the axis, again closer to the original.
    It's all subjective, but that's only the way I felt after playing a few Super Sports.
    If I was in the market for another EBMM guitar, that's the one I'd go for.

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    tribb,

    Maybe I'm just not paying close enough attention or something...my two main guitars are an EVH ('93) and an Axis (umm...'98? maybe) and tone-wise they were extremely similar (I say 'were' because I've since swapped the pups out of the Axis), and the resistance (impedence? whatever) of the two guitars' pickups measured out to be nearly identical. The pickups are visually identical. Likewise, I never noticed a difference between the necks. Granted, that could be because my 3rd guitar has a neck that's very much different from those two. You've got my curiosity up, though...I'm going to have to investigate further.

    I'm especially interested since I've been experimenting with pickups. But man...even with all the advantages (real or imagined) of body-mounted pickups, it sure makes it a bitch to try and fit replacements in there! [img]smile.gif[/img]

    And I agree...I think I'd go with a SS too if I were buying tomorrow. Maybe a nice hardtail SS with P90s and a quilt top. Mmmmm [img]smile.gif[/img]

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    Ratter, I know exactly what you mean about the p/u's measuring the same as far as the ohms go, but unfortunately that's not a good indication of their output or tone.
    I tested them and switched them as well when I had the axis.
    I found since that the ohm meter simply measures the resistance of the coil, but not it's output.
    I've seen pickups that measure just over 6K ohms that were actually hotter than the EVH, or wolf pickups. I also saw a pickup that measured a whopping 24K ohms on a meter but was not much higher than a strat p/u in output. There are too many variables to affect a p/u's output besides it's resistance.
    Yeas ago I use to take humbuckers apart and re-attach them in different configurations. I got some weird readings and lots of times they sounded completely different than what I expected them to, regardless of what my ohm meter told me.
    That is, the ones I didn't completely screw up, which were quite a few.
    That's cool that you're experimenting with p/us'. You never know what you'll come up with.
    Try taking a single coil with an alnico II magnet, and a single coil with an alnico 5 or 7 magnet. Attach them in a humbucker configuration and see what you come up with.

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    First, to the starter of this thread, sorry for hijacking it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

    tribb,

    Is there a way to measure the output of a pickup? The reason I ask...I swapped the pickups out of the Axis because they were too hot, not dynamic enough. I ended up putting in a FRED and a PAF Pro, which is an improvement, but surely not the ultimate. I'm looking for a smooth, vintage, throaty, Blues Saraceno kind of tone.

    I had kind of a perverse idea...maybe just strip a few thousand windings off the Axis pickups? Or maybe off just one coil...something like that. EVH had that wonky coil in his PAF, right? [img]smile.gif[/img]

    ratter.

 

 

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