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    I was born in 1974. I grew up in a great time for rock (in my opinion). Groups like Van Halen, Boston, etc. shaped my musical taste and made me what I am (musically speaking).

    My little brother and my brother-in-law are the world's biggest Phish fans and whip me every time our family gets together with talk about how great "Phish" is (and more specifically their guitarist Trey Anastacio).

    They insist that Phish is the greatest band going and that Anastacio is the best guitarist on the planet......because he can "jam for hours on end". They even go as far as to say that "Anastacio plays better and with more emotion than Van Halen".

    My argument to them is that anyone can play guitar non-stop for long periods of time. It's not the length of time that should be impressive, but actually what is actually being played.

    Am I crazy?! Is Phish's lead guitarist the greatest thing since sliced bread and I'm just having "Good-Ole Days Syndrome" with my claims of Eddie Van Halen being able to knock his socks off?

    Please tell me I'm right and that my brother is an idiot! [img]smile.gif[/img]

    I'm tired of pot-smoking, hippie-loving, Phish-heads trying to convince me of how great their band is. I'm not buying it.

    Thanks for letting me vent

    Jeff
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    Sounds like those damn Dead-heads! If your brother wants to hear someone play that long, and if thats what matters to him, then he needs to listen to prog (Dream Theatre, anyone?). Van Halen runs circles around Trey Anastaca-whatever.
    Right Now...My gf is probably reading my posts.

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    Donor

    Well, if they are comparing what Phish is doing this past few years to VH, there is no argument unfortunatley since the VH camp hasn't done or said anything...

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    [ QUOTE]Originally posted by el_jalepeno: ]

    True

    [ January 05, 2003, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: TheCaboKid ]
    "Well, he's an intelligent, well-read guy. But it's like he can't connect the dots somehow." (EVH Guitar World, March 1998).

    GP: "Did you use a pick for "Spanish Fly"?

    EVH: "Yeah, except for the part near the end that sounds like Montoya or something."

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    Originally posted by 5150atomic:
    Dream Theatre, anyone?
    fuckin rights. petrucci rules.

    however, phish is a good bunch of guys in my opinion. that being said, eddie kills em. you're not crazy. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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    I wouldn't even bother. Arguments like that are never won. People will always argue for the icons of their generation and insist that they are the best. I'm sure in due time they will see Ed's value and impact as a guitarist and acknowledge it. If not , they will be lacking something very crucial to life, which is an open mind.

    Case in point - I was born in 68 and grew up with VH, yet always have heard people harp about how damn great Hendrix was and that he would blow Ed away. It made me resent the hell out of hearing Jimi's name, and I didn't learn to fully appreciate him until I got older. I still don't put him on the pedestal that many people do, but that's juat a matter that is subjective to individual taste. Hendrix was a landmark guitar player, no doubt about that, but I don't think he had as many characteristics to his playing as Ed does that revolutionized the way people play the instrument. Some people would consider that heresy to say, but they can kiss my ass.

    My two cents on Phish - Far as I'm concerned, if Anastacio and Phish were so fucking great, then they'd be popular with more than just a bunch of diehards that want to embrace the whole Deadhead mentality of obsession and devotion. Hell, most of them only latch on to bands like that because of the stupid fucking lifestyle aspect anyway - drug-munching hippie bullshit. Not to say that all their fans are like that, but The Dead were a total counterculture icon, and Phish is just following their lead. I'm sure that if Ed and other players of stature were to take the "I'm so eccentric and artsy" approach, they could make those people piss their pants as well. The guitarists that will be remembered by the public as a whole, and not just a loyal sect, will be the ones who made their craft accessible by incorporating it into appealing songs and not just extended jams.

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    This is a clear cut case of apples and oranges. The only one who is the idiot is the one who states their opinion as fact.... in my opinion.

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    Well, I happen to think that Edward is the best rock guitarist ever. The way I see it, Wayne Gretzky was born to play hockey, Micheal Jordan was born to play basketball and Edward Van Halen was made to play guitar. Period.

    I've also noticed that Edwards influence isn't as long lasting as it perhaps should be. In "Best Ever" polls, Edward is coming in behind guys like Cobain - thats a huge injustice as far as I'm concerned.

    I think the entire Sammie era of the band went a long way to taint Edwards legacy. How can you respect someone who writes a tune like Sucker In A Three Piece? I think the keyboard and over slickness overshadowed Edwards early work because it was really popular.

    I'm not familiar with Phish, but I saw them on Leno and thought their guitarist was pretty good. I'll never like anyone better than Edward though.

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    My first band, my highschool buddies, they were huge Dead fans. So I was tortured with Greatful Dead music. Garcia would play and play and play and the whole time I'm thinking "Where's the good part?" the solos never climaxed. It's like when you are talking to somebody who's stoned and they can't get to the point or belabor the same point from every angle. This went on for two years.

    In that time I learned that it's not so easy to play a 10 minute solo so I had to give a little, and I mean little , respect to the Dead.

    Then the guys got girlfriends!! The girls liked punk and Van Halen!! Oh happy happy joy joy!!
    Then I ended up as the lead guitarist because, and I'll never forget this, my friend Jay says to me "I have a lot more respect for Van Halen and guys like Elliot Easton because it's so much harder to play a good solo in thirty seconds than it is five minutes".

    Thing is, if you're not stoned the Dead and Phish aren't so hot.
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