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    been playin for over 10 yrs off and on. i got most of the tapin stuff down and the tremolo picked stuff, but are there any excercises i can do to get my left and right hands speeded up and sychronized to do more of the fast pickin and legatto stuff? like the solo to on fire. that solo is bad ass or the phrase in the begining of girl gone bad that kinda sync's up with the rototom lick that alex does that is cool too. any help by you shreders here at the links would be appreciated.
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    Absolutely.

    Don't forget the old addage: Practice Smarter, not harder.

    With that in mind I merely suggest getting a decent digital metronome. They're fairly cheap and will do wonders for your rhythmic capabalities, that is, if you USE it.

    Speaking of the solo to On Fire. I would just suggest practicing that whole solely, precisely and methodically, with the use of a metronome.

    Also, do some chromatic alternate picking excercises, as well as scalar alternate and legato picking runs. This will get you flyin in no time.
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    Reeeeaaaall good advice. Tremolo picking does actually slow your fingering hand down.
    When you're doing 3, or 4 note runs on each string before moving to the next, just hit the string once, and let your fingers complete the run before moving to and picking the next string.
    As Abe and TheMightyC say, always keep a metronome handy when learning runs.
    It's embarrasing when you've spent all your time learning a passage and then finding out once you play it with the band, you can't do it in time to the music.
    I'm always getting kicked offstage for that.

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    I never learned how to sweep pick... not that I really think I'd ever use it, but it sounds cool when I hear those that can noodle around with it do it well.
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    i am not saying that i tremolo pick everything, but am capable of doing it for example the tremolo picked passage in the middle of eruption or the passage in the atomic punk solo right toward the end. i will pick up a metronome this weekend and keep you informed. so you suggest playing the passage slowly in time with the metronome and gradually bringing it up to speed? i am gonna sit down with that on fire solo and lock my self into the room until i get it.
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    The problem with tremolo picking is that your hands are moving out of sync, which makes for a really tough habit to break when you want to gain precision.

    As for using the metronome, start EXTREMELY slowly. So slow that it could put you to sleep. Concentrate on making all your movements as efficient as possible, and of course as accurate as possible. Any little flaw in your technique at 90 beats per minute becomes a HUGE flaw at 120.

    Here's the tough part: unless you have some abnormal level of natural dexterity, it's going to take a lot of time and effort to get your chops up to snuff. So make sure you come out of your room for meals, bathroom breaks, and a shower or two.
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    I'm currently working on a book designed to develop some SERIOUS levels of technique. I don't know when I'll have it finished (gotta record a CD of all the examples....yikes!), but I've been analyzing playing technique while working on it, so if you want to PM me, I can try and help you out. However, if you're looking for quick short-term improvement, then I wouldn't be of much help; most of the material I'm using seems to make you 'worse' at first, with the payoff only coming after some considerable practice time.

    If speed is your only concern, go get Troy Stetina's Speed Mechanics for Lead Guitar book (Hal Leonard publishes it). If fast is what you want, that'll get you there in a minimal amount of time.

    One thing I will warn you of in this thread is the following: while tremolo picking is a great technique, using it may actually be HINDERING your progress. (I found that out the hard way) And, as many others would be sure to tell you, a metronome is an absolute MUST. It's the most important investment you can make for your playing.

    Also, what the gentleman above said about practicing SMART is good advice, but it leads me to a question: Do you know how to practice? I don't mean that as a smart-ass remark; it's a very legit question. There are several schools of thought on practicing, but the basic premises are the same. Sadly, it's the one skill that many musicians keep secret, since it can destroy their image as 'genius' if people knew how much work they put into their playing as opposed to just being 'gifted'.

    Anyhooo, I'd like to hear more from ya about this stuff. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
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    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by AbeVanHalen:
    The problem with tremolo picking is that your hands are moving out of sync, which makes for a really tough habit to break when you want to gain precision.

    As for using the metronome, start EXTREMELY slowly. So slow that it could put you to sleep. Concentrate on making all your movements as efficient as possible, and of course as accurate as possible. Any little flaw in your technique at 90 beats per minute becomes a HUGE flaw at 120.

    Here's the tough part: unless you have some abnormal level of natural dexterity, it's going to take a lot of time and effort to get your chops up to snuff. So make sure you come out of your room for meals, bathroom breaks, and a shower or two.
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    With that in mind, just so we're clear, remember to use alternate picking in these passages. Simply, up and down strokes. When you get proficient enough with it, you can facilitate it enough either to trem pick, or to easily interchange between the two. Yngwie can alternate pick so fast on one note it basically is trem picking. Principally, trem picking is fast alternate picking, while using more than one up and down stroke per note. But I think alot of other, myself included, use more wrist action, or a different motion when trem picking as opposed to alternate.

    Edward, on the other hand, fucking trips me out. I don't see how he trem picks like he does. It's very atypical, but then again, it is Sir Edward. Just the way in which he holds his hand in his pick attack with this technique is so unorthodox, blows me away.
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    John Petrucci's Rock Discipline is one of the best
    instructional videos I've seen that covers most of the stuff your wanting to work on. Get the video and a metronome and have fun practicing. I'm doing just that at this time in my life and I've been playing for 20 years. It's never to late to improve.

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    The way Ed holds his pick and wrist when he trem picks is unbelievable, and freaking impossible!
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    Default Japanese Eddie

    Does anybody remember a japanese instructional video by a Japanese guy named Edward Von Hollen or something to that effect. He looked just like Ed.

    does anybody have a link

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    The way Ed holds his pick and wrist when he trem picks is unbelievable, and freaking impossible!
    I describe EVH's trem picks as a light-speed pendulum. WARP 10! It's like his wrist is on speed or crack or something! LOL! I can get some of the trem picks, but cannot sustain it long enough or do it 100% like him. I'm probably just a weakling when it comes to it!
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    Here's a tip that all of the pros use:
    Get a quarter and place it between your butt cheeks. Clench your cheeks so that the quarter doesn't fall out. This helps to tighten the muscle groups in your shoulders and back that are used for good speed picking. You can even try walking around all day with the quarter in place. That way you're still exercising the right muscles even when you don't have a guitar in your hands.







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