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    12.15.17 @ 10:48 AM
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    For years, on both my electric AND acoustic, my G and B strings go out of tune constantly. I hit a bend, or an aggressive strum and their gone. Usually a half or even whole step down. It pretty much sucks my ass. Why is this? Is it a tension issue with the rest of the strings? How can I make...it....stop!! [img]graemlins/yell.gif[/img] I need to re-tune after about 3-4 minutes of playing. Accoustic is not nearly as bad. BTW, it does it in alternate tunings as well.

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    Dude you're a bad player what do you want us to say? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

    Have you checked intonation or if the neck is warped on both of them? Are you changing strings frequently, are you not changing them ever?
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    Ok, like duh, I know how bad I am!

    Also, I dont know what the hell an intonation even is. I dont change my strings often enough, but even when I do, it still happens. I tweek around on my Uncles Ovation Accoustic once in a while and its not as bad there, but if strings go out, those are the two. Its wierd. Usually most of the guitars I play are like that for some reason. And on mine, when I tune it up, it drops back down. Then I tune it up, play a few minutes and its UP another half....killin me.
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    Well if you're changing tunings a lot you're gonna have problems, because strings are being stretched constantly. Sounds like this may be an issue for you.

    Intonation....hit an open string. Then hit the harmonic on the 12th fret of the same string and it should be the same note. If it's not, your intonation is fucked.
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    Ok. I really dont change tunings alot at all. Except maybe drop E to D once in a while, but not often.

    My intonation is fine. No problems there.
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    Ok tribb your turn. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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    It sounds to me like your G and B strings aren't wound tightly enough at the tuning posts. Try this:

    When you put your strings on and tune them up, pull them AWAY FROM THE FRETBOARD several times. This will help stretch them AND take out any slack around the post. Don't pull so hard that you break the strings, but remember that any slack in the winding will cause you to go flat as you described.

    The problem can exist on ANY string, so do it for all 6. If the winding LOOKS very neatly done (and tight) it usually is correct. If your strings are sloppy-looking on the post, then there's likely gonna be trouble.

    If that doesn't help, maybe you're just jinxed?
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    That's a hell of a lot of variation in pitch.
    Seen, the first thing you should remember is to fret the note with your finger and not your elbow.
    Now that's out of the way, try this.
    When you put strings on, do like Abe says and stretch them good, real good. I stretch them from side to side instead of up and down, but that's personal preferance, holding the string in place with my left hand, while moving the string fairly hard from side to side, moving both hands slowly from the bridge toward the head while doing it.
    It does sound like you've got too many windings around the peg. 2 windings is all you really need to hold it properly and keep the string from slipping. Another problem could be your tuning pegs, or if it rises in pitch it could be the neck. If the problem occurs with other guitars you play, a good rule of thumb is not to exert "hydrolic force" when you play.
    All kidding aside bro, in this case what you should do is hop in your car, take one or both guitars to your local music store, and let either a tech, or salesperson/musician put your strings on while you WATCH. It probably won't cost a penny, cause musicians love to show off any skills they might have, and if there is a mechanical problem with the instrument someone can identify it without you taking on any more headaches. I wish I could give you a solid answer, but without actually seeing the instrument I can't really help more.
    One more thing. If you leave it sitting out of the case for weeks without playing it you can run into neck and tuning problems. Guitars are like cars they have to be used or they develop problems over time. The air temperature around your guitar can change by variations, from 20-30 times per hour when sitting out in the open, even in a closed room. That's a lot of variation over time.
    Bottom line. Take it to a music store, where they can probably identify the problem for you immediately, and save yourself a lot of future headaches.

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    quote:
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    That's a hell of a lot of variation in pitch.
    Seen, the first thing you should remember is to fret the note with your finger and not your elbow.


    Dick. How bout' chin? Thats normal right?

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    stretch them good, real good.


    And should I do that while playing Devo in the background or is that optional?

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    It does sound like you've got too many windings around the peg.


    I think that may be it.

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    a good rule of thumb is not to exert "hydrolic force" when you play.


    lol!

    Thanks for the info man, as usual, you covered itand them some. Thats some good stuff to think about. I keep my electric out in the shop (only place my wife lets me play [img]graemlins/irked.gif[/img] ), so weather could do it too.

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    The only thing I could add is regarding your wraps around the tuning peg.

    Sometimes when you have too many wraps the string can get hung up on the previous wrap. Geneerally when this happens you can hear a high pitched tinking noise when your tuning up. Also another tell tale sign of this is when your tuning, you'll be tuning into a note and all of a sudden it will jump up a few cents in pitch.

    The way around this is to make sure you don't allow the string to wrap over itself unevenly. Generally what I do is get the first couple of wraps going then make sure there's tension on the string, for that all I do is keep the string tightly held in my right hand while I'm tightening the tuning peg.
    Also, every couple of turns of the tuning peg, make sure to push the wraps that are around your tuning peg tight against each other. It's kind of like a fishing reel, you want the wraps as close together as possible, not one wrap on the top of the tuning peg, then the next on the bottom.
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    ... the other thing I was thinking is that if you use alternate tunings a lot, you may want to try some graghite on you nut (lol).

    Seriously, the project I'm with right now has the guitars tuning between standard tuning, drop D tuning, and open D tuning, and my buddy uses an old Paul and he did the graphite trick and he can go all night no problem. In a pinch he uses a pencil in his nut and that works too.
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    quote:
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    Generally when this happens you can hear a high pitched tinking noise when your tuning up. .


    EXACTLY!! I usually get that when I bring it back up. Bingo. Thanks Unit [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
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    quote:
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    you may want to try some graghite on you nut (lol).

    In a pinch he uses a pencil in his nut and that works too.



    Fuck that. [img]graemlins/irked.gif[/img] Dont try to get me into your kinky ass wierd shit ok buddy? You fixed the problem, now dont go pushin the envelope with me pal. That shits just wierd, Ok?

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    I was going to bring up the nut issue myself - seen's used to me doing that. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

    I've noticed the same thing before seen - if you're playing a "P.O.S." model per chance ( ), they tend to put some really insulting hardware on them. I had a problem with the same strings getting hung up in the nut saddle (oh, grow up ), and I learned the hard way about too many windings around the tuning posts a long time ago. You can also develop burrs on your tailpiece saddle after a while (stop it, you freak! ), which can cause your strings to bind, as well as break often -particularly if you're using a whammy bar. I'd take the advice given by tribb - take your axe to a shop and tell them exactly what the prob is - make sure they check out all hardware that comes in contact with the strings.

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    quote:
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    I've noticed the same thing before seen - if you're playing a "P.O.S." model per chance ( ), they tend to put some really insulting hardware on them.


    I have a Gibson SG, and a Takamine.....

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    I'd take the advice given by tribb - take your axe to a shop and tell them exactly what the prob is - make sure they check out all hardware that comes in contact with the strings.



    I'm WAY too lazy to do that! Geez, that would actually take TIME. What are you smokin?!??!

    Again, good advice by all, thanks. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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