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    does anybody know of any leads that are played going across the strings rather than using chords?

    is "still loving you" by THE SCORPIONS an example of this?

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    Can you refine your question a bit? I am not familiar with the song you mentioned, nor do I know what you are hoping to find exactly. So, please elaborate--maybe someone can help ya out! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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    how about "ramblin man"
    by the ALLMAN BROTHERS.
    are all songs done with chords? can you do a song without chords?
    do blues songs use chords?

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    I agree with Abe. What you said doesn't make too much sense. Could you explain it a little better.

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    "Chords" can consist of two or three string combinations, so even though they sound like chords, you're not baring right across the width of the neck if that's what you mean.
    Abe, are you getting this any clearer than me?

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    you have heard "ramblin' man" right?
    what are they doing in that song?
    i am playing one string at a time. i haven't learned chords yet.

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    OK, at first you said 'lead', and then you seemed to refer to rhythm playing. This may seem a bit confusing, but stick with me here...

    What I THINK you are referring to are ARPEGGIOS, where the notes of a chord are played one after another, instead of at the same time. So, while you aren't actually 'playing' chords, you are IMPLYING them. You get the essence of the chords without directly playing them. Harmonically speaking, the chords exist, but just not in the way you may be used to.

    Try this: hold a chord, but pick the strings individually in whatever pattern you can think up. If that seems to match the sound you're asking about, then my guess was probably close. If not, I STILL need more information to go on.
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    Oh, now I think I understand. Ramblin man is a very easy song to play, but I think your musical ability has to widen a bit. If you're only able to play on one string, then learn some basic chord structures. I'm afraid there's no way to explain what they're doing unless you have some knowledge of chords.
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    OOPS...if you haven't learned chords then my answer won't help you too much.

    And Tribb, it's not much clearer for me; I am not familiar with the song he's referring to. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]
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    i am going try this one more time.
    have you ever heard of chromatic blues scale?
    that is just one of the 7 scales i'm doing.

    1st finger at the 5th fret. 3rdfinger at the 7th fret and so on.playing one at a time.
    is the purpose of a chord to do the above playing multiple strings at one time, whereas i'm playing one string at a time.

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    There's a chromatic scale, and a few blues scales, but they aren't the same. Since your example is in the 5th position, do these numbers ring a bell: 5-8,5-7,5-7,5-7,5-8,5-8?

    That would be a pentatonic scale. Also, if that's what you mean, you are probably talking about LEAD playing and not rhythm. Yes? No?

    It's really tough to discuss these things without seeing you or having the example in front of me. I still don't know what you're asking about!
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    yes that is what i'm doing. MINOR PENTATONIC
    5-8,5-7,5-7,5-7,5-8,5-8.
    DIATONIC BLUES 5-7-8,5-7,4-5-7,4-5-7,5-7-8,5-7-8.
    AEOLIAN,MIXOLYDIAN,MAJOR
    IONIAN,MAJOR PENTATONIC.

    can you play a lead without knowing chords.
    my instructor wants me to bring in songs that follow the formula above.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by topik killer:
    yes that is what i'm doing. MINOR PENTATONIC
    5-8,5-7,5-7,5-7,5-8,5-8.
    DIATONIC BLUES 5-7-8,5-7,4-5-7,4-5-7,5-7-8,5-7-8.
    AEOLIAN,MIXOLYDIAN,MAJOR
    IONIAN,MAJOR PENTATONIC.

    can you play a lead without knowing chords.
    my instructor wants me to bring in songs that follow the formula above.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    You CAN play some lead without knowing the chords, but ONLY if the chords stay true to key the whole way, and you stay true to the scale the whole way. Of course, that's just for playing 'by the rules', which is where you will want to start anyway. MOST of my lead playing strictly adheres to either the key or follows each chord in succession anyhow. Really though, your teacher should focus more on explaining and demonstrating chords to you now rather than scales. As Tribb said, you gotta walk before you can run.

    One word of advice---if you learn ANYTHING from your instructor as pertains to theory, learn the MAJOR SCALE inside and out. That means the scale itself, the intervals, the triads, the seventh chords, the harmonization possibilities, etc etc etc. It's not as simple as it may seem, but the major scale is the basis of virtually all harmonic theory today. Once you have a STRONG, thorough knowledge of the major scale, the chords, the other modes and scales, arpeggios, etc., all become much clearer.


    One other thing: that diatonic blues scale you wrote frets for looks like a Dorian mode to me. I would try (starting on the low E):

    578,579,579,57,578,5 OR....

    578,579,579,579,78 10.


    That's a strange fingering you've got there, so try a few of em and see what feels most natural.
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    he said it was DORIAN or DIATONIC BLUES.

    i don't want to get ahead of what he is teaching me. he told me that about the MAJOR PENTATONIC.
    do you know any songs i could take in?

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    I can't think of any tunes that would make a good study of the major pentatonic scale off hand. Sorry. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]


    Hopefully someone else will.

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