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    I recently bought a Kramer 1984 (black was all they had in stock at MusicYo.com).

    The packaging came in decent condition (a few little nicks in the cardboard, but that's probably US Postal's fault).

    The hard case for the guitar is missing 1 pin (in the hinges), so it closes a little funny......again, I can look past that.

    On to the guitar itself......

    At first glance, the finish is beautiful. The guitar appears to be in great shape (no nicks for scratches to speak of).

    Now, on to the not-so-good stuff....

    First of all, the tremolo is not quite flush with the guitar. It appears to need an adjustment to get it to lay flat against the body. I have since fixed this problem.

    Also, the action is set way too high on mine. Again, the action is usually a personal preference thing, so I'm not going to fault the builders of the guitar - you can't make everyone happy. I have since had the action lowered an the pickup adjusted (the pickup was actually at a slight angle, but the guy at the Brook Mays Pro Shop actually raised the pickup slightly and placed some foam under it to stablize it.

    Playability....

    The neck is awesome. I love the feel of the guitar and the sound is VERY nice. I'm surprised at how well the pickup sounds. I was afraid that I would need to change it out for a Duncan Custom Custom, but fixing the action on the guitar made a world of different for the tone.

    Now, I find myself using the 1984 a little more than my Wolfie Special (probably because my Wolfgang is a stoptail, so I like using the tremolo more).

    I think that the guitar itself is probably a little overpriced, but paying that amount of money keeps you from putting the darn thing together yourself (but, you'll pay double the amount for the convenience). Just note the that the guitar will actually cost you around $800 (after taxes and paying to have a setup done on it)

    Final grade: A-
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    OK. I don't want to sound like a dick, and this isn't directed to you by any means.

    When you buy a guitar, it's like a suit. You still have to make adjustments, northing more to it. Sure, you can go to JC Penny's and buy a suit off the rack and have it fit you akwardly, or you can have the tailor take it in a little here, and a little there (or in my case, let a little out ) Regardless, I don't see how anyone can expect a guitar to pop out of a shipping box without needing some adjustment. As for packing, the guitar should have the strings loosened to avoid the string tension breaking the neck under certain conditions (like on a plane), so the bridge tension may need to be adjusted. Anyway, hope you enjoy it. Rock on [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/bounce.gif[/img]

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    I agree 100% with what you say. I guess I was just letting others know (who are interested in buying a Kramer 1984) what things may need to be adjusted, before it's right (although, like you said, having a setup done is almost standary with any new guitar).

    Overall I'm very happy with the guitar and feel like the guys (I guess it's Gibson) who put it together did a very decent job doing it.

    I was a little annoyed by the fact that the hard case was missing a pin in the hinge, but I can look past that.

    Again, I was very pleasantly surprised at the pickup of the guitar. No need to change that sucker at all.

    All I needed to do was fix the tremolo, get the fret cleaned up and slightly adjusted and fix the action.

    The guitar is well built and could be a very nice "workhorse" guitar. That's my plan for this one. I'm going to take care of it, but I actually look forward to my first dings and scratches on it, as it will add to the character of the guitar. In fact, I may even pull a Pete Townsend on it when I get home (and I don't mean look at child-porn you sickos out there).

    Remember, Eddie preferred a shitty finish on his Kramers. Otherwise, he would have never use bicycle paint....that's for sure! [img]smile.gif[/img]
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    The next guitar that I will buy will be a Kramer Baretta FR404S/D [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] and I will make it just like Van Halen did it ( same modification )
    EVH: Definitely. Playing guitar was my sanctuary. It was the one place I could go to if I got fucked around by a girlfriend, or anyone else, for that matter. It still is. If there’s something I can’t deal with, I can just spend hours playing. It’s a God-given gift – I certainly don’t know where the ideas come from. They’re obviously given to you, and you have to keep your fingers moving and your mind quiet. I try my best to not think about thinking, so I can just let it flow. Because when I start thinking, forget it. <br />So....why he isn't playing guitar ? ? ?

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    Originally posted by el_jalepeno:
    OK. Regardless, I don't see how anyone can expect a guitar to pop out of a shipping box without needing some adjustment.
    That's true to an extent. My buddy works at a music man dealer and every guitar they unpack requires maybe a tuning and that's it. I know that the EBMM guitars are a bit more costly, but not one of them has needed a setup. My thoughts are a setup is setup and the $$ of the guitar shouldn't effect that. 99% of all players want their action as low as possible so what the problem with actually setting it at the factory?

    I'm not carving on this guitar at all. Pretty much every other manufacturer outside of EBMM suffers the same problem, if that's what you'd call it.
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    At the music store I used to work at I would hate to see new gutiar from Gibson come in. They were never setup and usually needed restringing from the lack of windings around the tuning pegs. In my recent guitar shop visits(see my Ernie Ball Sil. thread). I see nothing has changed. Every SG I picked up had no extra winding around the pegs and the strings were practically hanging off of the guitar. That's a discredit to the store more than Gibson as that's par for the course for them, but how could your hang a $1200 tag on a guitar that's not even close to being in tune?

    The reason I bring up Gibson is that they own Kramer and Steinberger now and the guitars I've had come through(a Spirit GU and a 1984) were setup almost perfect. I found it strange that their Korean, Korean/US hybrid gutiars came setup better than most USA Gibsons.

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    Originally posted by homeunit:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by el_jalepeno:
    OK. Regardless, I don't see how anyone can expect a guitar to pop out of a shipping box without needing some adjustment.
    That's true to an extent. My buddy works at a music man dealer and every guitar they unpack requires maybe a tuning and that's it. I know that the EBMM guitars are a bit more costly, but not one of them has needed a setup. My thoughts are a setup is setup and the $$ of the guitar shouldn't effect that. 99% of all players want their action as low as possible so what the problem with actually setting it at the factory?

    I'm not carving on this guitar at all. Pretty much every other manufacturer outside of EBMM suffers the same problem, if that's what you'd call it.
    </font>[/QUOTE]This is true, the two Ernie Ball Silhouettes I played were setup perfect and only need a quick tuning. I also agree that the price shouldn't determine how good of a setup comes from the factory.

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    By the way, here is the guitar:

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    Originally posted by BigDBoy:
    By the way, here is the guitar:

    Nice axe [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] Off topic here, but did you lay those wood floors yourself? My wife is wanting wood in our library, and I don't know if I am ready to deal with it.

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    No, I'm not that smart. A company called Weisenbaker laid them for us.
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    That's a very nice looking guitar. I've been thinking about buying one, but in white.

    They had a white one for sale on e-bay a few weeks ago.

    Do you know when they'll get some more white ones in?

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    Hey el_jalapeno, re:

    "Off topic here, but did you lay those wood floors yourself? My wife is wanting wood in our library, and I don't know if I am ready to deal with it."

    I did my whole house last fall (my wife was the reason for that one too) and it's not really that big of a deal if you can run a table saw, miter saw & a nail gun(or trowel if you're on concrete). I highly recommend the Bruce pre-finished 3-ply stuff. It's more dimensionally stable than solid wood and can be re-finished 2-3 times. Shoot me an e-mail if you have ?'s. just put something about flooring in the subject line so I'll know it's you.
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    Donor

    Originally posted by I Scream Man:
    Hey el_jalapeno, re:

    "Off topic here, but did you lay those wood floors yourself? My wife is wanting wood in our library, and I don't know if I am ready to deal with it."

    I did my whole house last fall (my wife was the reason for that one too) and it's not really that big of a deal if you can run a table saw, miter saw & a nail gun(or trowel if you're on concrete). I highly recommend the Bruce pre-finished 3-ply stuff. It's more dimensionally stable than solid wood and can be re-finished 2-3 times. Shoot me an e-mail if you have ?'s. just put something about flooring in the subject line so I'll know it's you.
    Cool [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] Much appreciated.

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    This guitar has become my favorite, but there are issues that I corrected to make it "great"

    1) action adjustment (of course). One thing to note is that the neck heel itself is too high to let the tremelo to sit in the flush/non-floating position. Right now it's floating a minute bit. Ajusting the bridge so it sits flush makes brings the strings too low. I plan to shave 1/16" off the bottom of the neck heal to correct this.

    2) The stock volume pot and knob was horrid. I replaced them with better quality pots and better looking/quality wolfy style knob that reads "Tone".

    3) The stock input jack is already intermittent. I'm going to take it apart and see if I can correct it, if not I'll buy a quality jack.

    Now for the good stuff!

    The neck is how I always dreamed a guitar neck should be. It is simply the best neck I have ever played on, and the more I break it in, the better it gets. The body and finish are flawless, and perfectly countoured to make playing a breeze. The tone of the maple neck and alder body is *amazing*. In addition to replacing the Gibson pickup with a SD Custom Shop EVH, this *is* the tone. The wolfgangs cannot compare. I still play mine, to remind myself of how much better the Kramer 1984 is. [img]graemlins/sssh.gif[/img]

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    Originally posted by Zifnab:
    This guitar has become my favorite, but there are issues that I corrected to make it "great"

    1) action adjustment (of course). One thing to note is that the neck heel itself is too high to let the tremelo to sit in the flush/non-floating position. Right now it's floating a minute bit. Ajusting the bridge so it sits flush makes brings the strings too low. I plan to shave 1/16" off the bottom of the neck heal to correct this.

    2) The stock volume pot and knob was horrid. I replaced them with better quality pots and better looking/quality wolfy style knob that reads "Tone".

    3) The stock input jack is already intermittent. I'm going to take it apart and see if I can correct it, if not I'll buy a quality jack.

    Now for the good stuff!

    The neck is how I always dreamed a guitar neck should be. It is simply the best neck I have ever played on, and the more I break it in, the better it gets. The body and finish are flawless, and perfectly countoured to make playing a breeze. The tone of the maple neck and alder body is *amazing*. In addition to replacing the Gibson pickup with a SD Custom Shop EVH, this *is* the tone. The wolfgangs cannot compare. I still play mine, to remind myself of how much better the Kramer 1984 is. [img]graemlins/sssh.gif[/img]
    I'm sure it's a decent guitar, but for the kind of money you paid for it, why should you have to replace parts and do actual alterations to the neck/body itself.
    You have to put out more cash for parts, and labor would cost some good bucks too, to someone who wasn't able to do the work you are.
    Once you replace the pots, pickup, and whatever else, and do the labor of having to correct problems that shouldn't have been there in the first place you've paid the money you have for a neck, body and bridge.
    For the kind of money you're spending in total couldn't you have had a custom US made guitar built?
    Don't get me wrong Zifnab, this isn't a putdown, honestly.
    I'm just curious as to why someone would consider a guitar with so many design flaws "great" or even really good, when for the same money, or possibly a few more dollars you could have had your dream guitar right out of the box.

 

 

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