Follow us on...
Follow us on Twitter Follow us on Facebook Watch us on YouTube
Register
Save
Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 53
  1. #1
    5150
    Join Date
    06.10.02
    Age
    43
    Location
    Springville, Utah
    Posts
    592
    Favorite VH Album

    1984
    Favorite VH Song

    Ice Cream Man
    Last Online

    02.01.07 @ 04:44 PM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Some absolutely love VH III. Many absolutely hate it. I put it in the middle. It has some good, even great songs, but also has the worst VH song ever.

    Can those who hate it honestly say that Fire in the Hole and Ballot or the Bullit are crap? Can those who love it really say that How Many Say I is great?

    Did you say it sucked, just to go along with the crowd? Did you say it was great, just to avoid ripping on VH?

    Here is the opportunity to express your true feelings of VH III, come on, it's theraputic, be honest. I'll start:

    I think that VH III is a decent album. I loved Fire in the Hole, Ballot or the Bullit (even though the solo lacked), Year to the Day (great lyrics, great melody-most guitarists would have strummed chords instead of playing a melody-not Eddie), and One I Want had some killer guitar. Unfortunetly, songs such as Without You, Once, From Afar, Josephina, and Dirty Water Dog, though not without redeeming value, lacked in either a small, or large way. Then there is How Many Say I-worst VH song ever-I hated it!
    VH III is not as bad as people say, but I think that fans were disapointed because it isn't all that heavy (though the guitar PLAYING is better than the last couple albums), and it was a little too progressive. Then there was the fact that Gary didn't have a style that was totally individual (like Dave's bluesy, scat-singing baritone, or Sammy's nasal screaming, party voice). VH III could have been better, but it wasn't that bad.

  2. #2
    Sinner's Swing! Mario VH's Avatar
    Join Date
    10.18.99
    Location
    Ottawa, Canada
    Posts
    3,776
    Favorite VH Album

    1984
    Favorite VH Song

    Panama
    Last Online

    03.28.15 @ 05:30 AM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 7 Times in 2 Posts

    We've gone over the VH3 thing and Gary quite a few times at the Links. Without sounding like a broken record player I thought the album was pretty good. The problem with VH3 lies in its production-Mike Post was a bad choice and it shows in terms of sound quality and secondly Ed tries to do everything himself. Gary, Alex and Mike were merely an afterthought on the album as this truly was in essence 95% Edward Van Halen. Ed has always been at his best when someone is there to reign the guy in ie-Dave, Sammy or even someone like Andy Johns or Ted Templeman. The album just didn't have enough commercial appeal to be successful and the songs were mostly long and not very radio friendly which is why a song like "That's Why I Love You" should have been include on the album. A polished version would have been a great folow up to "Without You." Van Halen took a great gamble by bringing Gary into the mix and they had to come out of the blocks with a monster album. Neeless to say VH3 wasn't a monster album. We all heard the reaction even before 3 came out. Nobody was willing to give Gary a shot and they hadn't even listened to the album. When we finally did hear the record and the results for most were below expectations we understand why 3 was a commercial disappointment. It still would have been cool hearing a follow up to 3 because I think the band could have corrected some of the mistakes they made with 3. Gary deserved at least one more album.
    "It's now officially 5150 time!!!"

  3. #3
    Good Enough Pacfanweb's Avatar
    Join Date
    06.04.02
    Age
    50
    Location
    Wake Forest, NC
    Posts
    1,566
    Favorite VH Album

    ADKOT
    Favorite VH Song

    Outta Space
    Last Online

    09.26.16 @ 03:56 PM
    Likes
    11
    Liked 281 Times in 150 Posts


    Donor

    Listen to Ballot or the Bullet and see if you think the main riff sounds a bit like the theme from "I dream of Jeannie".

    A twisted version of it, but it does remind me of that show's them song. I'm not talking about the intro solo riff, but the main melody riff that Gary sings over.
    I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em. -
    Jimmy V

  4. #4
    On Fire 5150 Mean St's Avatar
    Join Date
    06.08.02
    Age
    31
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    362
    Favorite VH Album

    5150
    Favorite VH Song

    Unchained
    Last Online

    04.13.15 @ 10:52 AM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts

    I thought Josephina, Year to the Day, Once, Neworld, and Fire in the Hole were the Albums strong points. Josephina and Year to the Day were my favorites off the album. I think VH III is actually a very good Album, and I wish they'd done a follow up with Cherone. But, oh well. VH III was a great Album, and it doesn't deserve the bad rap it gets.

    ~5150~
    The song ain't dirty it's really just the way we sing it...

  5. #5
    5150
    Join Date
    06.10.02
    Age
    43
    Location
    Springville, Utah
    Posts
    592
    Favorite VH Album

    1984
    Favorite VH Song

    Ice Cream Man
    Last Online

    02.01.07 @ 04:44 PM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Originally posted by Pacfanweb:
    Listen to Ballot or the Bullet and see if you think the main riff sounds a bit like the theme from "I dream of Jeannie".

    A twisted version of it, but it does remind me of that show's them song. I'm not talking about the intro solo riff, but the main melody riff that Gary sings over.
    Yeah, I can hear that!

  6. #6
    On Fire
    Join Date
    03.19.01
    Location
    Jap Chap living in Australia
    Posts
    364
    Favorite VH Album

    Fair Warning, VH, WACF, Balance, 1984
    Favorite VH Song

    Mean Street, H4T, I\'m the One, Romeo
    Last Online

    12.26.07 @ 03:47 PM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Being listening to it for some time now...
    I like it now~
    Fire in the hole, Year to the day, One I want (except the weird lyrics) are my picks

    [ June 23, 2002, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: Haaseracer ]

  7. #7
    Romeo Delight
    Join Date
    06.22.02
    Age
    49
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    78
    Last Online

    12.31.69 @ 04:00 PM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    I've listened to the album alot lately......the songs are quite good,the guitar awesome,the drums good,the bass good, the vocals...... crap!.(lyrics good but vocal recording and sound....whooosh)) On my CD, G. Cherone sounds like he has a lisp.....(One I want) whats going on, has somebody done this on purpose or what!dreadful!!!!
    The album also lacks what I would call attitude. VH has always been about somethin'......whats this album about........a new singer, new songs ....so what, no get up and go!!To be fair another album with a different producer and different presentation might have cut it...but everybody still wants either Sammy or Dave.
    To me Van Halen was, and always will be about a lifestyle.....16 years old, patches on jeans,long hair,crazy flipped out coloured guitars,screaming harmonics and whammy dives....even the car horns on running with the devil.(who thought of that) loads ofd fun,freedom and beer...with damn good loud rockin music to boot....just thinkin 'bout it all makes me smile.This can never be repeated for me.
    In the words of Van Morrison-
    "The beauty of the days gone by
    It brings a longing to my soul
    To contemplate my own trueself
    and keep me young as I grow old"
    The beauty of the days gone by
    the music that we used to play
    So lift your glasses and raise it high
    The beauty of the days gone by"

    Thats what Van Halen means to me......and VH3 just part of the journey.........near completion and quite restrained, but still a link in the chain of my life.
    The next album...........who knows..........?

    Regards Bob'e'chops.
    .........look what the ^%$^% I'll pay ya for it!!

  8. #8
    Hot For Teacher
    Join Date
    10.05.01
    Location
    Lancashire, UK
    Posts
    223
    Last Online

    12.11.05 @ 02:08 AM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    I like it [img]smile.gif[/img] Apart from Gays voice which I find too shrill & the last track which is utter shite

    Musically I find it fresh & adventurous

    But thats just me I guess [img]graemlins/sleep.gif[/img]

  9. #9
    Good Enough
    Join Date
    07.29.00
    Age
    43
    Location
    Indianapolis, Indiana.
    Posts
    1,746
    Last Online

    12.31.69 @ 04:00 PM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    I've said this before, a LONG time ago, but I'll say it again:

    When Eddie said in interviews that there was 'depth' to the songs and the lyrics, he wasn't kidding. If you read the lyrics (READ them for some degree of comprehension and not simply decryption) while listening (listening, not just "hearing") to the music, after a few times through Eddie's conceptualiation does come to light. The music very much is an interpretaion of the lyrics.

    Case in point: "Once". Through the ending of the song, Gary keeps singing "have you ever really touched?" and "not once". Listen to Eddie's guitar work in the background. He's following the vocal medody, but he's doing so 'late'; in other words, he's chasing the lyrics with the music, but he never catches up. In other words, the notes never touch the vocals. He was musically depicting what the lyrics were saying. Things that like, and they're ALL OVER the record, go unnoticed by most people. So you have to ACTIVELY listen to it to 'get it', and let's face it-most people just want something to crank up while driving or whatever.

    So, artistically speaking, VH3 was successful.

    Unfortunately, the general 'listenability factor' was low. The vocals were nasty. The drums sounded like a Muppet set, recorded in a garage with a $15 Radio Shack microphone. The song structures were too loose, lacking focus and anything resembling 'hooks'.

    People rave about the guitar playing; I think it's EASILY Eddie's worst performance on record. He was sloppy as hell, his guitar sounds were generally poor, and for the most part his playing lacked the melodic element he had developed from about 1984-1996.

    Had they used a good producer to organize Eddie's musical mess into cohesive, listenable songs, to allow Gary to sing instead of squawk, and of course to get decent SOUNDS on the recording, then the record could have been a real gem.

    Overall, I think the concept was great, but was never realized to its full potential. The 'free-form' songs struck me as mostly immature, and the overall effect of the record struck me as 'premature'.
    Don't bark at me...<b>I</b> didn't name ya.

  10. #10
    Hang 'Em High MAX's Avatar
    Join Date
    06.10.02
    Age
    45
    Location
    RED SOX NATION, SLC CHAPTER
    Posts
    6,770
    Favorite VH Album

    Fair Warning
    Favorite VH Song

    Hit the ground runnin'
    Last Online

    06.03.10 @ 10:18 AM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts


    Donor

    Originally posted by AbeVanHalen:

    Had they used a good producer to organize Eddie's musical mess into cohesive, listenable songs, to allow Gary to sing instead of squawk, and of course to get decent SOUNDS on the recording, then the record could have been a real gem.
    I completely agree about the production. The previous three VH songs: "Humans Being", "Me Wise Magic", and "Can't Get This Stuff No More" had me really exited for VHIII. It also would have been great if we could have heard "Between Us Two"(Quoted as Van Halen's "Stairway To Heaven") because it was also in the hands of either Bruce Fairbairn and/or Glenn Ballard. I remember an interview with Eddie when he said that he had no reason to work with any other producer once he met and worked with Glenn Ballard. That was in an interview of Guitar World right when they first got Gary. I wonder what happened and why they chose Mike Post? Either way, In my opinion VHIII doesn't sound "finished" with the songwriting, mixing, engineering or production.
    EAT US AND SMILE!!!!

    "Please don't take my teddy bear... Please!!!" - diamondsgirl's Oscar nominated dramatic scene for best actress of 2007

    "and by Van Halen, I mean David Lee Roth" - diamondsgirl on Van Halen

  11. #11
    Little Dreamer Newely's Avatar
    Join Date
    06.08.02
    Age
    38
    Location
    Illinois
    Posts
    32
    Favorite VH Album

    Balance
    Favorite VH Song

    Don't Tell Me
    Last Online

    01.05.12 @ 05:32 PM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    It was a strange album in the sense that I really liked some of it, and hated some of it, there was no in between. I think it would have been better had Gary not been made to sound like Sammy Hagar on some songs. I also have a question for anyone who knows. Were the songs "Without You" and "Year to the Day" written before Sammy left VH? I wonder because it seems like they were made for his voice, as Gary really sounds like Sammy during these songs, especially during the chorus of "Year to the Day. Has anyone else noticed that?

  12. #12
    Romeo Delight
    Join Date
    06.19.02
    Age
    45
    Location
    atlanta
    Posts
    44
    Favorite VH Album

    Van Halen II
    Favorite VH Song

    DOA
    Last Online

    12.31.69 @ 04:00 PM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    very basic, some brilliant moments it just sounded rushed to me. Though once could have been a radio single? Personally i like dirty water dog alot.

  13. #13
    Niners Fan! SactoFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    01.07.00
    Age
    46
    Location
    The Tiki Bar...
    Posts
    9,524
    Favorite VH Album

    Van Halen 2
    Favorite VH Song

    Dance the Night Away
    Last Online

    @
    Likes
    6
    Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts


    Premium Member

    Donor

    With 3, which I really like, I think Ed was making a real statement about the singer mess...I'm moving on...

    Unfortunately, he didn't give Mike, Al, and Gary time to pack enough clothes for the trip...

    The production is awful...Even 'Without You', which should explode out of your stereo, sounds like you're listening through your pillow...

    No Mike backup vox=No chance at a "classic" VH sound...

    Al's drums are non-existent on the record...

    The positive...

    It's so OUT THERE for a VH record...It certainly never will be confused with Aerosmith, whose last several albums sound, uh, the same...

    Really dig the tunes and Gary's vox...

    I think the real reason I will always look on 3 fondly is the tour. Gary just sang the dang songs...no BS...no bickering...just the songs. For all the crap the guy got, fans forget that Gary Cherone GAVE US WHAT WE WANTED! We got the classics and the Sammy hits from the guy and he came ready to sing.

    I hope on any possible box set, we get to hear some follow up to 3...Judging from TOJ's "Left For Dead", the second Gary VH could have been pretty awesome!
    Can't stop...addicted to the shindig...

  14. #14
    Romeo Delight
    Join Date
    02.19.00
    Posts
    111
    Favorite VH Album

    Can\'t pick just one...
    Favorite VH Song

    Every VH song is a tutorial on rhythm guitar!
    Last Online

    12.31.69 @ 04:00 PM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    My favorite songs on that CD were "Without You," "One I Want," and the abandoned "That's Why I Love You." I agree that a second release with Gary was in order and I hope they do release the songs they completed some day. I thought that Van Halen sounded "tired" on that album. They should have worked with a producer they were familiar with rather than an unknown. Also, the best example of what Gary is capable of is on the Extreme CDs. He sounded much better, much more powerful with them. In Sammy Hagar's case, he went to a higher level in Van Halen, with regard to his singing. Gary went a step back....

  15. #15
    Little Dreamer
    Join Date
    06.26.02
    Age
    42
    Posts
    19
    Last Online

    12.31.69 @ 04:00 PM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    I was very excited when I heard that Gary Cherone was picked to be the next Van Halen singer. I have been a huge Van Halen fan all my life, as well as a HUGE Extreme fan. I am from Boston, so I have known about Extreme for a long time! When I first got VH3, I thought it was great! However, after having lived with it for about 4 years now, I think it is a fairly good CD. The production is absolutely NOT what it should've been. It sounds so flat. Alex's drumming is virtually non-existant, and Gary's voice does not sound like his real voice (just a shadow of it). There are some really good tunes on it (such as "Neworld", "From Afar", "Once", "Josephina", and "Year to the Day"), but some not so great songs as well ("Ballot Or the Bullet" and "How Many Say I" come to mind). I also wish they had put out a second CD together, because it would've been MUCH better than VH3. Gary got blamed for most of the reason why VH3 was a failure, but I think it was mostly EVH's fault. If you wanna hear how Gary REALLY sounds, do yourself a HUGE favor and pick up Extreme III Sides To Every Story (one of my favorite albums of all time), or the new Tribe of Judah!

 

 

Similar Threads

  1. True feelings on EVH and DLR...admit it!
    By grifhaln in forum Main VH Discussion
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 09.17.06, 05:35 AM
  2. Is it true what I just read?!?!!?
    By Leo Van Newhouse in forum Main VH Discussion
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 01.05.05, 02:34 PM
  3. Replies: 51
    Last Post: 08.27.02, 07:25 PM
  4. My (our) feelings toward Van Halen
    By Bigdaddy_14 in forum Main VH Discussion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 02.01.02, 06:53 PM
  5. Will Van Halen give an explanation?
    By Allied Forces in forum Main VH Discussion
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 02.28.01, 07:25 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •