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    with Audioslave and VH have already begun as I predicted it would. People are already freaking about Zak vs. Cornell even though Zak quit the band much the same way Roth left in '85.

    Last thing I'm trying to do is stir up a Dave vs. Sam thread, but looking at it objectively with a new scenario like Audioslave, if someone quits a band, should the band just fold up and not attempt to go on trying to replace the member, regardless of whether it's a drummer, a singer, or a tuba player?

    I would say carry on.

    Discuss?

    [ December 31, 2002, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: willyum ]
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    Sorry. might have been better suited to Opinions & Speculation.....

    Oy...
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    There's one HUGE difference, here.

    The remaining members of Rage Against the Machine had enough respect for their own legacy to change the name of the band when Zak quit. Audioslave and Rage are NOT the same bands. Why would they keep the name?

    The correlation breaks down, however, because Van Halen is Eddie and Alex's last name. While I think they should have changed the name (or atleast slightly modified it) when Dave left, I certainly understand the decision not to.

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    BUT....

    I have always thought changing the name would have helped to alleviate some of the negativity fans had towards the replacement version, but with Audioslave, RATM fans are literally saying "Cornell sucks...bring back Zak..." when it was Zak that quit the fucking band.

    That's what I'm saying. The name change would not have alleviated any of the acrimony of the core fans. They would still have been pissed that the band carried on without the singer.

    BTW, didn't you write a book or something?

    [ December 31, 2002, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: willyum ]
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    It also depends to an extent on what you're trying to do. Audioslave decided to start totally fresh, and they won't do any Rage tunes, or Soundgarden tunes. Not to mention the dramatic change in sound from rap to singing.

    Yes, I agree that Van Halen changed quite a bit from Dave to Sam, but I also believe that much of that change had already started with 1984. I feel that Van Halen continuing with DLR would NOT have been dramatically different than what we got with Sam. Just look at Skyscraper, it is definitely more pop than "old" Van Halen, just like "Van Hagar".

    I also don't really get the whole issue. If you like this album or that album, buy and listen to it. If not, don't. Who really cares what the name of the band is? As long as it's Ed's name, and he's in the band, he can call it whatever he wants, and I'll judge based on what I hear. If you would have judged VH3 differently had it been called Mammoth I, then you're an idiot. Music is music, and after the first listen, once the expectations are out of the way, you like it, or you don't. I can understand how expectations can effect the first listen, but after that...???

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    I don't think a band needs to change their name just because someone leaves. It doesn't make bid'ness sense to do that. So you may piss off a handful of fans, so what?

    In VH case there was no loss in fan base. And since albums following 1984 went to #1 and Van Roth continued to sell, it is safe assume that more fans started following the band. Even if those fans may not of been the hardcore fans of the early days. VH1 and III are worlds apart in style but I think 1984 and 5150 are very close to one another.

    If VH released III after '84 then a change in name may of been appropriate since the music is so different. The styles are different for many reason but none more so than the fact that VH1 was done by a four hungry-drunk 20somethings trying to kick some ass and make a name for themselves. Where as, III was written by one wellfed-alcoholic 40something 'Ar'teest' trying to prove he is an adult.
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    Originally posted by AVH Blues:
    .....Where as, III was written by one wellfed-alcoholic 40something 'Ar'teest' trying to prove he is an adult.
    HAH!

    OOF. That had to hurt.....

    [ December 31, 2002, 11:49 AM: Message edited by: willyum ]
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    Originally posted by AVH Blues:
    I don't think a band needs to change their name just because someone leaves. ...
    This is true. How many drummers have Pearl Jam gone through in the last year?

    AC/DC changed singers. Same name.

    How many band members have come and gone from KISS? But a KISS by anyother name, wouldn't be the same?

    The Rolling Stones have had a few changes, Def Leppard too. No need to change the name there.

    Of course there are some bands that change a band member, and really never sound the same. Anyone remember Motley Crue when they when they changed singers? And I don't even want to talk about GnR.

    So some times it matters, and sometimes it doesn't. I would say Van Halen walked the line when they lost Dave. Could have gone either way, because they still had a lot of that old feel, but they did make some major changes both musically and vocally with Sammy.
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    Ok this whole "Pop" things has to be dropped, I mean, say what you will about the Hagar years, but lets not forget the last 2 Roth era records, you can't get much more "Pop" then that, Diver Down was a pop cover album and 84 as brilliant as it is, c'mon Jump,Panama, I'll wait and Hot for teacher, are as pop as any Hagar era tunes, Ed said it once in a interview when asked about boadening VH's audience to a "Pop" audience and he responded by saying"what do you mean by a pop audience?You write good music and everyone buys your records and all of a sudden your pop, but if you are a punk bad and nobody buys your records, your cool??"..
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    VH has always been a rock & roll band with pop tendencies.

    What the hell do you call "Feel Your Love Tonight" or "Dance the Night Away?"

    Kick ass perfect pop is what I call it.
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