Who would you say are the greatest hockey players of all time? I love hockey history and watching old games more than new ones sometimes. I believe that the league was much tougher in the original six team era than today's 30 team league. Here is my list......


Forwards

Gordie Howe

Wayne Gretzky

Guy Lafleur

Yvan Cournoyer

Jean Beliveau

Steve Yzerman

Ted Lindsay

Maurice Richard

Mario Lemieux

Phil Esposito

Bobby Hull

Marcel Dionne



Defence

Bobby Orr

Larry Robinson

Paul Coffey

Doug Harvey

Nicklas Lidstrom

Brad Park

Denis Potvin

Red Kelly



Goalies

Patrick Roy

Jaques Plante

Ken Dryden

Vladislav Tretiak

Roger Crozier

Terry Sawchuk

Tony Esposito

Grant Fuhr

OK, so here is my list of my favourite players. All the players are not from the NHL. I don't know that much about hockey but I was really interested about 10 years ago.. I'm trying to find that spark again.. :thumb:

Forwards

Gordie Howe
Wayne Gretzky
Ted Lindsay
Mario Lemieux
Otakar Janecky
Teemu Selänne
Sergei Fedorov
Mats Sundin
Jari Kurri


Defence

Paul Coffey
Nicklas Lidström
Teppo Numminen
Kjell Samuelsson



Goalies

Vladislav Tretjak
Dominik Hasek
Jarmo Myllys

Well that list is pretty hard to argue...

Additions IMHO-

Rod Langway
He was as gutsy a D as it gets. I cannot count how many times he threw himself in front of the puck. He was one of the people that turned around the Washington Capitals, who had never beaten (or tied) the Canadiens, or ever made the playoffs before he came to the club (I was there for those games in the 80s). He was a class act all the way, and was a great leader. I will never forget when Rod got cut up pretty bad, blood all over the place, went in for like 20-30 stitches, came back the next period and played his heart out continuing make these great plays.

Ray Borque
One of the best offensive defensemen, a true legend. Saw him play many times. Norris Trophy five times, and scored 410 goals and 1,169 assists in 1,612 regular-season games. (I didn't memorize that thats a HOF stat).

Eddie Shore, Toe Blake?
Old Time Hockey :-) Time to put on the foil coach.

Mike Gartner
One of the most consistent players, 15 consec 30 goal seasons and 1,335 total points. Also one of the guys that transformed the Capitals, but stands on his own.

Mark Messier
Part of the Oilers dynasty with Gretzky and Fuhr, he definitly has the HOF stats with 1887 pts, and a long outstanding career. Plus he's scary looking like a hockey player should be haha.

Tretiak (comment)
Was a surprise within your list of NHLers. But he definitely deserves to be in there. I got to meet him in Washington DC, at a Capitals game, very nice guy and got his autograph (I am a dumbass and can't find it now). Man how the NHL would have changed if he would have had the opportunity to play!

My biggest influences (I played goalie) were Jim Craig and Grant Fuhr (even though I was a Caps fan, Fuhr was outright amazing). Craig had a crappy NHL career, but had the greatest moments in American Sports History in '80 Olympics and what inspired me to play hockey in the first place.

Scotty Bowman, greatest coach of all time! That one would be hard to argue eh?

He is like the winningest coach of all time... Habs, Wings, Pens all to the cup.
9-10 Cups ain't to shabby!

Some great players listed so far.

Forwards (Scorers):


Gretz
Mario
Mark Messier
Jagr...in his prime, he was one hell of a player.
Rod Langway
Mike Bossy
Maurice Richard
Bobby Clarke
Bill Barber
Reggie Leach
Jarri Kurri
Marcus Naslund...IMO the best player in the NHL today. Very consistent.
Jeff Beukeboom
Brett Hull
Bobby Hull
Phil Esposito
Adam Oates
Brian Trottier
Dale Hawerchuk

Defence:

Gordie Howe
Mark Howe
Chris Pronger
Chris Chelios
Paul Coffey
Ray Bourque
Bobby Orr
Larry Murphy
Nicholas Lidstrom
Scott Stevens
Scott Neidermeyer...best damn skater in the NHL.
Al Iafrate

Tough Guys:

Dave Schultz
Terry O'Reilly
Craig Berube
Tie Domi
Donald Brashear
Stu Grimson
Tony Twist
Joe Kocur
Darren Langdon
Rob Ray
Marty McSorley

Goalies:

Patrick Roy
Martin Brodeur
Mike Richter
John Vanbeisbrouck
Ken Dryden
Bernie Parent
Grant Fuhr
Tom Barrasso
Domink Hasek

Nice! Tom Barrasso gettin' some love. His stats weren't the best but the man won 2 cups.

Great lists everyone!

A couple random guys that I thought should/could make the list:
Dale Hunter - a master of the playoffs
Dave Andreychuk - all time power play goal leader
Claude Lemieux - another master of the playoffs
Ed Belfour - one of the first guys with a really cool mask (plus he could stop some rubber too)
Al MacInnis - one of the hardest shots ever (must be something with the name Al)
Cam Neely - a shame he had to hang 'em up early

Tom was great. Did you now that he and Vanbiesbrouk are the 2 all time greatest US born goalies. Very cool. :thumb:
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Arena/1893/pp-BarassoTom.jpg

Not one of you listed the Hansen triplets?

http://slapshot.20m.com/Hansons45.JPG

Not one of you listed the Hansen triplets?

True but please note, my refrence to Eddie Shore, Toe Blake and Old Time Hockey as well as the foil... So I guess it was an indirect refrence :-)

[QUOTE=SuckaInA3Piece]Tom was great. Did you now that he and Vanbiesbrouk are the 2 all time greatest US born goalies. Very cool. QUOTE]

Hey Sucka

What about Jim Craig for top American goalies...you need to think in context, not number of games or NHL career though. Yes Vanbiesbrook definitly belongs!


Yes Barasso was great with the Sabres and the Pens!

I would like to add 2 names that have not been discussed thus far:

Ron Francis

Brian Leetch

Sucka, how did you come up with Beukeboom? And to list him as a forward?????

I would like to add 2 names that have not been discussed thus far:

Ron Francis

Brian Leetch

Sucka, how did you come up with Beukeboom? And to list him as a forward?????

My mistake, I meant to put him as a defenseman. I put him up there cause he was one of my favorites. He's one of those guys that I think that every team should have. You should have your free skating, puck carrier, and then a guy like Jeff. Rugged, gritty, tough, and never afraid to drop the mitts and go. That's why I liked him so much, eventhough he was a Ranger.

[QUOTE=SuckaInA3Piece]Tom was great. Did you now that he and Vanbiesbrouk are the 2 all time greatest US born goalies. Very cool. QUOTE]

Hey Sucka

What about Jim Craig for top American goalies...you need to think in context, not number of games or NHL career though. Yes Vanbiesbrook definitly belongs!


Yes Barasso was great with the Sabres and the Pens!

Jim Craig belongs, but as far as NHL wins go, Beezer and Tom are at the top. Jim can go on there though for sure.

My mistake, I meant to put him as a defenseman. I put him up there cause he was one of my favorites. He's one of those guys that I think that every team should have. You should have your free skating, puck carrier, and then a guy like Jeff. Rugged, gritty, tough, and never afraid to drop the mitts and go. That's why I liked him so much, eventhough he was a Ranger.

You know what? You're exactly right. Playing with him is a big part of what helped make Leetch as good as he was.

I'm always right Jeff! LOL

Actually I can't believe I forgot Brian Leetch, or Ron Francis for that matter. Glad you brought those two guys up. I started to put Doug Gilmour up there because he was my idol when I was a kid, but I'm not sure what his numbers are.

Also I meant Scott Neidermayer not Rob when I listed him as a defenseman. Gosh I should have had my coffee this morning. :brickwall

And there's one player that nobody has named yet as a forward.....
LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUC
http://www.neutralzonehockey.com/photos/wings/robitaille.jpg

Sucka - you should know - who was the Flyers' goalie after Parent - seem to remember they had a good one while I lived in Philly in '86, but can't remember the guy's name? (And knowing my luck, it probably was "Guy"!)

I just couldn't add Robitaille's name to the list, Sucka. He may have more than 650 goals for his career, but he sucked a whole lotta ass when he was a Ranger.

Sucka - you should know - who was the Flyers' goalie after Parent - seem to remember they had a good one while I lived in Philly in '86, but can't remember the guy's name? (And knowing my luck, it probably was "Guy"!)

Well there was Pete Peters, Ron Hextall of course, and Pelle Lindbergh RIP :(
http://beaglemania.com/flyers/images/pics/old-067.jpg

I just couldn't add Robitaille's name to the list, Sucka. He may have more than 650 goals for his career, but he sucked a whole lotta ass when he was a Ranger.

Well he had 2, 20+ goal seasons in NY, but you're right. Two seasons doesn't make a career though, and this cat has score a ton of goals, plus he's a champion.

I didn't say he wasn't a great player. After sitting through those two years, though, I just couldn't bring myself to be the one to add him to the list.

Believe me I know what ya mean. I have watched some great players come thru Philly and stink the joint up.

Well there was Pete Peters, Ron Hextall of course, and Pelle Lindbergh RIP :(
http://beaglemania.com/flyers/images/pics/old-067.jpg


Hextall is who I'm thinking of I'm pretty sure. He had a couple of awesome seasons there. Pete Peters was an ex-Bruin if I'm thinking correctly.

Yea, Hexy won the Con Smythe trophy as a rookie. Just had an incredible playoffs, and almost won us the cup against arguably the best team ever, the Oliers.

Yea, Hexy won the Con Smythe trophy as a rookie. Just had an incredible playoffs, and almost won us the cup against arguably the best team ever, the Oliers.
I remember Hextall chasing Rob Brown after Brown scored a goal on him and did the "windmill" celebration. I loved Hextall. Hextall, Billy Smith, and Tom Barrasso: three guys you didn't mess with or you paid the price. Plus Ron did that thing where he "played" the pipes with his goal stick. I forgot about it until I heard and saw him do it in one of the Classic Pens games.

Yea Hexy could throw em. I wish he and Patric Roy would have gone at it in their career, cause that would have been a good one! The one thing about Hexy that I hated were the weak goals. This guy could be standin on his head for a whole damn game, and here comes a shot from the blue line, thru the five hole he scores!!!!! :brickwall

I remember Hextall chasing Rob Brown after Brown scored a goal on him and did the "windmill" celebration. I loved Hextall. Hextall, Billy Smith, and Tom Barrasso: three guys you didn't mess with or you paid the price. Plus Ron did that thing where he "played" the pipes with his goal stick. I forgot about it until I heard and saw him do it in one of the Classic Pens games.

I think you are definitly right to group these three together!
I saw all of them play so many times. Being a goalie in the 80s, I always followed them.

Neither of these goalies were afraid to come out of the net. Hextall kind of pioneered "offensive" goaltending too, damn he had a great shot and even scored some empty net goals as I recall. Barasso had a great stick hand too!

You know I was going to mention Billy Smith, he was nasty, and I hated him (you had to unless you were an Isles fan!). He was the guy everyone loved to hate. But you can't deny the Isles dynasty with all those Cups! He would never shake hands after a game wth the opposing team (learned that from Cheevers). And I would have hated to be anyone opposing near the crease! Well yes he should definitely be on the list. Always an exciting game.

Actually I hated Hextall too, but only because he wasn't on my team :-) As a Caps fan we were bred to hate the Flyers hahaha. Some great memories though. Hex was a hothead on the ice, but he was supposedly a great guy off the ice, a lot of charity stuff etc.


Pellie (sp) Lindburgh was also a great goalie, so tragic. Saw him play many times too. He and Jim Craig were very good friends.

LOL that's pretty funny, cause as a kid I HATED the Caps. I didn't start to like them until they got Berube, who was my favorite Flyer when I was a kid. I admired a lot of the players the Caps had, but I was just bred to hate them. They sure as hell had some great teams back then, but my fave was the Cup team in 97-98 I think it was. I forget. Those boys were LOADED with talent, and had the grit as well. They could score, fight, and play defense. Bill Ranford was between the pipes back then if I remember correctly. Great team. They were throwin out, Hunter, Berube, Witt, and Tinordi would go with the best of em too. Not to mention Chris Simon in his prime! Too bad Detroit was just too much for them in the Finals.

I forgot to include this guy on my list of forwards.
http://www.strictlymint.com/online_store/store/images/16216.jpg

Who would you say are the greatest hockey players of all time? I love hockey history and watching old games more than new ones sometimes. I believe that the league was much tougher in the original six team era than today's 30 team league. Here is my list......


Forwards
Gordie Howe
Wayne Gretzky
Guy Lafleur
Yvan Cournoyer
Jean Beliveau
Steve Yzerman
Ted Lindsay
Maurice Richard
Mario Lemieux
Phil Esposito
Bobby Hull
Marcel Dionne

Defence
Bobby Orr
Larry Robinson
Paul Coffey
Doug Harvey
Nicklas Lidstrom
Brad Park
Denis Potvin
Red Kelly

Goalies
Patrick Roy
Jaques Plante
Ken Dryden
Vladislav Tretiak
Roger Crozier
Terry Sawchuk
Tony Esposito
Grant Fuhr

Add Mike Bossy and your list is complete. http://www.vhlinks.com/vbforums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Gotta throw in Tiger Williams for my tough guy list. And the guy scored over 200 goals while he was at it!
http://gfhl.net/Images/Canucks/Tiger.jpg

And I can't believe none of us have mentioned Pat Lafontaine.
http://www.atmos.albany.edu/student/eric/lafontai.jpg

I forgot to include this guy on my list of forwards.


HAHA Tocchet was another guy we loved to hate. My dad always said yeah I hate him, wish the Caps had him... then many years later we did!

Gotta throw in Tiger Williams for my tough guy list. And the guy scored over 200 goals while he was at it!

And I can't believe none of us have mentioned Pat Lafontaine.


Tiger-saw him play many times, yes he was a legend. How many times did he climb over the glass to kick someones ass? hahaha

Damnit Sucka must you mention LaFontaine... you now know my love for the Caps :-) I followed him since the Olympic team in 84.

1986 Game 7 Eastern Semi Finals- Isles vs Caps : 3 overtimes (night game), LaFontaine scores on Bob Mason (Caps goalie) in the heartbreaker of the century. One of the best games I have EVER seen, and may ever see. Sports Illustrated cover shows Bob Mason on his knees, birdseye shot, and the puck over the line. Both teams played their frickin hearts out that night. LaFontaine was the hero!

My DREAM Lines

line 1
C Wayne Gretzky
RW Cam Neely
LW Keith Tkachuk
D Bobby Orr
D Ray Bourque

line 2
C Guy Lafleur
RW Phil Esposito
LW Pavel Bure
D Larry Robinson
D Brad Park

line 3
C Mario Lemieux
RW Gordie Howe
LW Marcel Dionne (even though he was a centerman)
D Brian Leetch
D Sandis Ozolinch

Goalie Dominic Hasek (tough call but I'll take him as my starter)
B/U G Ken Dryden

Coach Scotty Bowman (no better ever than he)

LOL that's pretty funny, cause as a kid I HATED the Caps. I didn't start to like them until they got Berube, who was my favorite Flyer when I was a kid. I admired a lot of the players the Caps had, but I was just bred to hate them. They sure as hell had some great teams back then, but my fave was the Cup team in 97-98 I think it was. I forget. Those boys were LOADED with talent, and had the grit as well. They could score, fight, and play defense. Bill Ranford was between the pipes back then if I remember correctly. Great team. They were throwin out, Hunter, Berube, Witt, and Tinordi would go with the best of em too. Not to mention Chris Simon in his prime! Too bad Detroit was just too much for them in the Finals.

Yeah Sucka, I was at the 2 Cup games in Washington, to be honest with you it was amazing that after following the Caps for twenty some odd years they finally made it to the Cup Finals! I was happy just that they made it, we scalped tix and sat almost the last row at the top, but it didn't matter I loved it. You know I think there were more Wings fans than Caps fans at those games.

Detroit was 100% class! Bowman is a legend! You know most of the Caps fans even applauded them, and Yzerman dedicated it to the guy who was paralyzed in the car accident (name escapes me), there wasn't a dry eye in the house!

Some of my favorite games were against the Flyers, so many memories- Bobby Clarke etc. We had to see the Broad St. Bullies every time they came!
The penalty box was always overflowing! It seemed like Mark Howe played forever...

[begin lame moment]

My cousin's skate was cut open by Pat LaFontaine when they played against each other as teenagers in the Little Caesar's League back in the late 70's.

"Dalton.....sorry man......"

[end lame moment]

Great thread since there's no real hockey to talk about...

Line 1
Forwards
Wayne Gretzky
Gordie Howe
Rocket Richard
Defense
Bobby Orr
Doug Harvey
Goalie
Patrick Roy

Line 2
Forwards
Mario Lemieux
Guy LaFleur
Bobby Hull
Defense
Larry Robinson
Ray Bourque
Goalie
Ken Dryden

Since these lists are typically dominated by offensive players, I think it's also worth mentioning the two greatest defensive forwards ever to play:
Bob Gainey
Guy Carbonneau

Well that list is pretty hard to argue...



Mark Messier
Part of the Oilers dynasty with Gretzky and Fuhr, he definitly has the HOF stats with 1887 pts, and a long outstanding career. Plus he's scary looking like a hockey player should be haha.

Tretiak (comment)
Was a surprise within your list of NHLers. But he definitely deserves to be in there. I got to meet him in Washington DC, at a Capitals game, very nice guy and got his autograph (I am a dumbass and can't find it now). Man how the NHL would have changed if he would have had the opportunity to play!

My biggest influences (I played goalie) were Jim Craig and Grant Fuhr (even though I was a Caps fan, Fuhr was outright amazing). Craig had a crappy NHL career, but had the greatest moments in American Sports History in '80 Olympics and what inspired me to play hockey in the first place.

I have the whole Canada vs. U.S.S.R 1972 series on DVD. I just watched all the games a month ago, and Vladislav Tretiak is incredible in that series! Guy Lafleur said he is the best goalie he played against too. If he was allowed to play in the NHL he would have played for the Montreal Canadiens, since they drafted him. I am sure that Montreal would have added a few more cups with him, probably in the early 80's after Ken Dryden had retired.

Mark Messier was great, and I almost put him on my list. I thought I had enough forwards though. Jari Kurri was great too, and Mike Bossy, but Bossy had a short career unfortunately.

Great thread since there's no real hockey to talk about...

Line 1
Forwards
Wayne Gretzky
Gordie Howe
Rocket Richard
Defense
Bobby Orr
Doug Harvey
Goalie
Patrick Roy

Line 2
Forwards
Mario Lemieux
Guy LaFleur
Bobby Hull
Defense
Larry Robinson
Ray Bourque
Goalie
Ken Dryden

Since these lists are typically dominated by offensive players, I think it's also worth mentioning the two greatest defensive forwards ever to play:
Bob Gainey
Guy Carbonneau

Your list is almost the same as mine. I think Bob and Guy were great too! I got to see Guy play, I remember him winking at me when I was a kid through the glass too. I also got his autograph after the game. Your username is named after him huh?:cool:

And I can't believe none of us have mentioned Pat Lafontaine.
http://www.atmos.albany.edu/student/eric/lafontai.jpg

I was just thinking to myself that none of these guys have Lafontaine listed. I just read a article on him a week or so, and I can not remember a dam thing about it. :confused:

Here is some NHL Legends photos!

Roger Crozier.....

http://www.hockeyresearch.com/atkinsj/images/crozier.jpg

http://www.sabreslegends.com/crozier_r_h4.jpg

Terry Sawchuk, he held the NHL shutout record for over 30 years!

http://www.mightymunchkin.com/nyr/hhof/pic_sawchuk.jpg

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/members/splash/P197103S.jpg

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/terrysawchuk2dv.jpg

Ken Dryden.....


http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/trophies/winners/VZT1976.jpg

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/trophies/winners/VZT1973.jpg

http://www.mccanner.com/Wallpapers/KenDryden800.jpg

Jacques Plante....

http://hockeygoalies.org/bio/images/plante.jpg

http://www.spelten.com/MauriceRichard/HabsHistory/History/players/JacquesPlante2.jpg

http://joyofhockey.com/01508.jpg

Patrick Roy....

http://www.rit.edu/~jmj7988/imm/media/roy2.jpg

http://www12.brinkster.com/hockeymania/db/pr_heritage.jpg

http://users.ev1.net/~hlsports/com08.JPG

http://hockeyluv.com/wallpapers/roywp.jpg


http://hokej.web2001.cz/index/HRACI/patrick%20roy.jpg

Grant Fuhr.....

http://www.footballfanatics.com/images/products/MM-WM4-006G.jpg

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/members/splash/P200301S.jpg

http://www.spivackandkraut.com/hockey/equipment/524.jpg

http://www.spivackandkraut.com/hockey/equipment/685.jpg

http://www.hockeysandwich.com/tretiak4.jpg

http://bluetigerathletics.homestead.com/files/Russian_Famous_Players_Tretiak.JPG

http://hockeygoalies.org/bio/images/tretiak.gif

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/graphspot/one_tretiak04.jpg

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/graphspot/one_tretiak03.jpg

http://www.joyofhockey.com/66622.jpg

http://josh11.netian.com/Gordie%20Howe.jpg

http://www.the-clubhouse.com/hocM/MOThowe1b.jpg


http://www-atdp.berkeley.edu/2030/msun/written4.JPG

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/graphspot/one_howe03.jpg

http://www.cfl.ca/HockeyDetroitImages/55wings_cup.jpg

http://hokejovekarty.unas.cz/obr/moje/gretz-lic.jpg

http://www.tommyscardscomics.com/autographs/sports/spo_hc0001.jpg


http://ww1.sportsline.com/b/apphotos/Gretzky11796.jpg

http://www.martinblock.ch/gretzky/gretz07.jpg

http://www.canoe.ca/HockeyWorldCupImages/aug20_gretzky.jpg

http://www.martinblock.ch/gretzky/gretz04.jpg

Your list is almost the same as mine. I think Bob and Guy were great too! I got to see Guy play, I remember him winking at me when I was a kid through the glass too. I also got his autograph after the game. Your username is named after him huh?:cool:

You nailed it - Carbo's one of my all-time favorites. I met him once after a game at Boston Garden. He was walking out of the Garden to the bus after a game - the one thing I remembered is that he had two Lite beers in his hand while he was autographing my program - that's when I knew for sure he was my favorite! (Yes I am a Habs fan living in Boston - my family is Canadian so my dad always made sure I was a Habs fan)

And here all this time I thought you were a fan of Bernie Carbo!:

http://www.angelfire.com/va3/steelerchief/images/Carbogm6.jpg

But on further review, he did not wear number 21 (at least not for the Red Sox)!

God bless Bernie Carbo! His homerun in game 6 of the '75 series was just as big as Fisk's. Nice picture!

I want a Gordie Howe statue like this for my room!

http://brokengoalie.typepad.com/photos/saskatoon_2004/img_2444.jpg

That would be cool, but I hate the Red Wings with all my heart, so I couldn't have it. :)

I'm going to add three more gentlemen to my tough guy list. One of them is a legit enforcer, and the other two were instigators, and down right dirty players sometime. Both of them could score goals though, and have Stanley Cup rings to go with all their penalty minutes.

Clark Gillies
http://www.bobbynystrom.net/gilles.jpg

Pat Verbeek
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/nhl/2001/0104/photo/a_verbeek_i.jpg

Claude Lemieux
http://www.milehighstanley.com/pics/claude_13.jpg

My favorite tough guy is Bob Probert. I used to love when he pounded Wendie Clark!
http://web.raex.com/~roz/bob/probert1.jpg

He could score too, he scored over 30 goals in a season before, that is more than Brett Hull did last year!

http://www.borgssportstop.com/collectibles/photos/NHL/8x10/8x10%20Probert%204.jpg

http://www.borgssportstop.com/collectibles/photos/NHL/8x10/8x10%20Probert%203.jpg

I liked Esa Tikkanen too.
http://www.neutralzonehockey.com/tikedm.jpg
http://home.arcor.de/christian.schoeneberg/tikkanengretzky.jpg


http://home.arcor.de/christian.schoeneberg/tikkanennewyork.jpg

Bob had one of the best right hand punches that I've ever seen. There was one guy that I've never seen him beat, and that's rare for Bob. That guy is my favorite tough guy of all time, Craig "Cheif" Berube.
http://www.ancalagonmorgans.com/pics/613Berube01.JPG
http://www.freep.com/art/1998/wings98/capitals3/5.jpg

And there's my other favorite figher, Donald Brashear. Who IMO is the best heavyweight in the NHL today, along with Laraquese.
http://media.phillyburbs.com/2004/03/11/0311brashear.jpg http://www.canoe.ca/HockeyHitsGalleryImages0102/mar4_hits11-ap.jpg

Mario Lemieux is the greatest player to ever lace up the skates. Wayne couldn't hold a candle to Lemieux. The Great One was good, but if you look who he played with, you would have a ton of points too. Lemieux had a shit team until about '89. Lemieux did more with less.

These guys that Wayne played with weren't automatically good. They had to build chemistry with eachother before the Oilers even came into the NHL. So it's not like the guys that played with Wayne were automatically hall of famers. They had to earn it just as much as Wayne did. So I think the comparison you're making is off. I love Mario, but he happened to score alot of points too after he got some talent, but I don't hold that against him. They were both great IMO, no reason to argue which one is greater. It's like deciding between Wilt and Michael, or Namath and Unitas.

I liked Brashier with Montreal. He was tough.


Here are some great fightclips....



http://hockeyfighters.com/Classic_Fightclips/

I can't wait to take a look at those. I've got a ton of fight clips saved on my hard drive. I see they have my boy Dan Kordic on that page, so I'll have to check those fights out.

I was just thinking to myself that none of these guys have Lafontaine listed. I just read a article on him a week or so, and I can not remember a dam thing about it. :confused:

He scored a lot of points in several seasons, but he was kind of a light-weight.

He scored a lot of points in several seasons, but he was kind of a light-weight.
Yeah, the dude had a TON of concussions before he finally hung 'em up. He was pretty good though. Almost won the scoring title one year... except some guy named Mario passed him in the end with a superhuman effort.

And there's my other favorite figher, Donald Brashear. Who IMO is the best heavyweight in the NHL today, along with Laraquese.
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No doubt. I love it when he played for the Habs and I went to see them play against the Red Wings back in 1994 at the Montreal Foum. I saw Brashear and Probert go at it twice and those had to be the two best scraps I've ever seen in the NHL. They ran a close second to the Mcsorely/Probert scraps.

Jose Theodore is probably one of the reasons why the Montreal Canadiens make their runs when they do...
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Patrick Roy. My favourite NHL goalie of all time.

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Jose Theodore is probably one of the reasons why the Montreal Canadiens make their runs when they do...
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Patrick Roy. My favourite NHL goalie of all time.

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Those are my two favorite goalies too! I got to meet Roy when I was a kid, it was cool. It was a really sad day for all Montreal fans when Roy got traded, Montreal didn't get much for him imo:(

Those are my two favorite goalies too! I got to meet Roy when I was a kid, it was cool. It was a really sad day for all Montreal fans when Roy got traded, Montreal didn't get much for him imo:(

No kidding! They got rid of Roy and Mike Keane in that deal. The greatest goalie of all-time (argulably) and one of the best grinders in the game for... Thibault, Rucinsky and a bit of cash!? OUCH!

I remember that one week prior to Patty leaving the Habs, I met him at the Westin hotel here in Ottawa because the Habs were playing the Stink-ators here in town. I got his autograph on my #33 Canadiens jersey and it was such a thrill to meet him. Not two weeks after, I was meeting him for the second time at the Westin in Ottawa because Colorado was playing in town. It was just heartbreaking for me since I was such a big Habs fan and to see my favourite player up and leave in such a huff and puff just stunk to me as a kid. I still have clippings from every news paper in the country with Patrick waving his hands in the air at that game against Detroit when they got blown out 11-2. I thank Mario Tremblay for the demise of the King. He kept him in the game when he was getting embarassed in a 9 goal game.

(And yes, I was a hockey star chaser as a kid. http://www.fadzter.com/smilies/err.gif Always at the Westin Hotel whenever the Habs were in town and whenever The Great One was in town with WHATEVER team he was with at the time... The Blues, Rangers, Kings ect..)

Cool Wolfgang, I remember the game when Montreal lost 11-1, and Tremblay didn't pull Roy like it was yesturday. It was sad, I can't blame Roy for being upset, I think he didn't play in the outdoor Heritage Classic game last year, because he is still upset with the Canadiens over it. It is too bad. I would have loved to see him in a Montreal uniform one more time.


I met Roy after a game too, in Buffalo, and I got his autograph in 1990. Check your mailbox, I sent you a private message.

Some of my current favourite players:

Sheldon Souray: Just for his aggression, his will for the game to come back and smoke just about every defenseman in the league out of the water in the first half of the season last year after his wrist was INSTALLED. I watched that guy play a lot in person last year, and there's never a second when he's not on somebody's ass when they're infront of Theo.

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Then there's Michael Ryder: Should have got Rookie of the year. End of story.

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Now, I know I'm going to have a lot of people on my case for this one because of his little act against Boston after Segei Samsonov did the EXACT samething last year in the playoff's, but this guy is just an amazing hockey player with lots of skill, speed, and teamwork.

Micky Ribbs (Mike Ribeiro) is also one of my favourite current players.

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I guess this looks a little one sided, but I AM a Habs fan.

I can tell you this though, there are a lot of players I enjoy watching in the league.

Marian Hossa: Anybody who knows me, know that I wish the Ottawa Senators would best thrown off the face of the earth and that I think that they're the biggest bunch of women in the league but, this guy is just unreal on the ice. The skill and speed this guy has I only wish he was a Hab. :D

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[QUOTE=YankeeRose]It was sad, I can't blame Roy for being upset, I think he didn't play in the outdoor Heritage Classic game last year, because he is still upset with the Canadiens over it. It is too bad. I would have loved to see him in a Montreal uniform one more time.
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That would have been something. :)

Great photos Wolfgang! I have that Vintage Habs jersey, it's nice. I also think that Michael Ryder should have won the Rookie of the year award. Hopefully he will get even better next season! Montreal could use a new superstar, I also think Saku Koivu is great.

I also think Saku Koivu is great.

That guy showed so much heart in the playoff's last year. Playing with boken ribs and being the leading point-getter in the playoffs for about 9/10 of the entire playoff's only before Brad Richards and Martin St. Louis (Finalists) beat him out.

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Gotta love the amount of Stanley Cup banners and Hall of Famers in our rafters, don't ya, Rose??

:D:D:D

That last picture is awesome!

Yeah Wolfgang, 24 Stanley Cup banners in Montreal, and they have had more hall of famers than any other team by far. It is like the announcers said in the Heritage Classic game, the Edmonton Oilers were the team of the 80's, the Montreal Canadiens are the team for all-time.:cool:

Gretzky is the single gretest hockey player ever, bar none.
lemieux is up there.
also,
B.Clarke,barber,leach,mccleish,parent...fred shero,..dave schultz
guy lafleur, tim kerr, Lindros, propp, lindbergh
messier,coffey, and you know what?
i could go one for an hour...the lists from everyone else are great and i agree with most of them...jacques plante,bobby orr, ....

I was with you until your brough up Lindros. I loved #88 when he was in Philly, but the guy isn't in the same league as the other players you've listed. Based on numbers alone, Mark Recchi should be considered a better player then Lindros ever was. And he too had many concussions before he got them under control with medication. 88 was good, but he wasn't that good. The potential was there, but he just didn't want it bad enough.

Sucka, i knew you were gonna fire back!!

but i look at it two-fold.
when LIndros was on and he was hungry, you never saw a player, except for the Great One, who could dominate a game..and in Lindro's case, on both ends of the ice.
the problem is what you said, he didnt want it bad enough..that and bobby clarke, who i loved as a player and cant stand as a GM..he's good, but he let this one get the better of him..
I guess i will say he was one of my favorites for sure, and one of the most exciting to ever watch...and ive been watching hockey for a VERY long time...
i remember the days of the Canadien dynasties, bobby orr, when most of the league didnt wear helmuts and fighting was a big part of the game.

Oh I agree with that. When Lindros was on, I've never seen anybody like him. But it just wasn't consistent, and then you factor in the health problems as well, which may or may not have even been his fault. You gotta know not to skate with your fuckin head down though.

Early on in his career, the guy was unstopable. I've never seen a guy that big, just dominate the game in every facet. He was good, just not great.

but in the final analysis, lindros was a dissapointment ...he never won the cup...great to watch when he wanted to play...but never won it

Yeah Wolfgang, 24 Stanley Cup banners in Montreal, and they have had more hall of famers than any other team by far. It is like the announcers said in the Heritage Classic game, the Edmonton Oilers were the team of the 80's, the Montreal Canadiens are the team for all-time.:cool:

That's the end of that story. http://www.fadzter.com/smilies/beerchug.gif

As far as all-time goes, it's gonna take me a while to get that list done but I have a few in no order at all...

- Wayne Gretzky
- Mario Lemieux
- Bobby Orr
- Paul Coffey

My favourite Habs of All-Time...

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Maurice "The Rocket" Richard

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The Man... Jacques Plante

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Jean Beliveau

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Ken Drydan

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Possibly the fastest guy to ever play the game...The Raod Runner Yvon Cournoyer

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Theo.

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Micheal Ryder.

Of course, if you talk about the Habs, or even coaching in teh history of this game who's NOT gonna mention the two greatest ever??

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Scotty Bowman

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Toe Blake

When it came to watching goalies, one of the most exciting goalies to watch was Ron Hextall. That guy had so much nerve, determination and agressivenss. On top of being talented as hell, there wasn't one goalie that mad me more angry by thinking that my team was gonna lose every night that we played against him.

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Nice photos guys. I like this one, the two best Red Wings ever.

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No doubt, there!

I'm sick of all this Red Wings and Habs stuff in here. Allow me to interject with a few of my favorite Flyers :D

Bobby Clarke & Bill Barber
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Tim Kerr
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Eric Desjardins
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Donald Brashear
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JR
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At one point, this guy was the most domniating player I had ever seen..

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[QUOTE=SuckaInA3Piece]I'm sick of all this Red Wings and Habs stuff in here. Allow me to interject with a few of my favorite Flyers :D

LOL. :D I'm loving this. Everbody plugging their favourite teams... Makes me wish hcokey was back. :(


Eric Desjardins
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Donald Brashear
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Two Great former Habs! LOL! :D

JR
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Beyond a shadow of doubt, I'm glad this guy has a big mouth because he speaks the TRUTH! Amazing hockey player and as much as he semi-rebels, he's a great embassador for the game of hockey. I'd have him on my team any day... and his hot wife. :D

Besides Donovan McNabb, JR is my favorite pro athlete. Just an amazing athlete, and one of the best I have ever seen.

This guy was the reason this inner city black dude right here is so into the sport of hockey. I got an autographed puck from Mark back when I was in grade school, and ever since he's been on of my favorite players. I followed him with the Flyers to the pens, then the Habs, and back to us. Just an awesome player in a league full of huge players. This guy is BARELY 5'8!
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I also can't forget about Jonnie Vermont!!
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Sucka, how did you get that autographed puck from Recchi?

You and all Flyers fans should thank Montreal, they give you some of their best players. LOL!

John LeClair and Eric Dejardins plus Gilbert Dionne for Recchi.:confused: :(

Then they traded him back in 1999 to the Flyers for Danius Zubrus?!:wtf:

I don't think Montreal has made a great trade in 15 years. I can't think of one anyway.

LOL That's not true Yankee. We gave you guys Karl Dykhuis! LOL

I got my autographed puck in a writing contest I won at my grade school. Basically me and my best friend at the time wrote a play about saying no to drugs, and had our class all perform the play for the entire school. Pretty cool, eh? :)

I had never follwed hockey much back then because it just wasn't the in thing where I live. It still isn't really. Basketball and football rule here. So when we got cable tv I was introduced to the Flyers on the PRISM network, and just fell in love with the sport. Of course Mark Recchi became my favorite player after I got that puck. I've met him twice so far, and he's a super guy. It's ashame he's in Pittsburgh now. I'll always remember his days here when he was the "Recchin Ball"
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LOL That's not true Yankee. We gave you guys Karl Dykhuis! LOL

I got my autographed puck in a writing contest I won at my grade school. Basically me and my best friend at the time wrote a play about saying no to drugs, and had our class all perform the play for the entire school. Pretty cool, eh? :)
LOL, I was in an anti-drug play but nobody gave me a puck! I was the "don't be like me" pot head. I'm going back to my 7th grade principal and demand payment!!

It's ashame he's in Pittsburgh now. I'll always remember his days here when he was the "Recchin Ball"
It's not a shame... It's awesome! He got that nickname in the 'Burgh. He truly is a great guy and he's happy to be back. I think he kept his house here but I'm not positive. He may not be the player he once was but he still has a "twisted wrister" to quote Buccigross.

Ahhhh, F#@K the Penguins! He's forever a Flyer to me! :yell:

I think he wanted to go back there and play with Mario, plus nobody else was willing to pay him all the money the Pens did. That was stupid by the way. ANYWHO, I'm sure he'll prosper with those young kids in Pittsburgh, eventhough he's like 35 now I think. He can still bring it with the best of em, and he was on our best line last year. So he can still play..I just wish it was with the Flyers. :{

Ahhhh, F#@K the Penguins! He's forever a Flyer to me! :yell:

I think he wanted to go back there and play with Mario, plus nobody else was willing to pay him all the money the Pens did. That was stupid by the way. ANYWHO, I'm sure he'll prosper with those young kids in Pittsburgh, eventhough he's like 35 now I think. He can still bring it with the best of em, and he was on our best line last year. So he can still play..I just wish it was with the Flyers. :{
How much are we payin' him? I thought he came pretty cheap but I don't remember a hearing a figure.
Man, you are hostile to Pittsburgh sports teams! If it makes ya feel any better I hate the Pirates (but it's just baseball in general). I don't know if I've told you before but aside from the cross-state rivalry, I have my dad to blame for my hatred of Philly teams. He's always said if they had a pro bowling team he'd hate them too. I was conditioned to feel that way. :thumb:

LOL I know how your dad feels because I feel the same way about Pittsburgh. I've just been bred to hate the Steelers, Pens and Bucs. It's just the way it is. My brother is a friggin frontrunner, so when the Steelers went to the Super Bowl in the 90's, all of a sudden he was a Steelers fan. So that just made my hatred for the Steelers even worse. I had to deal with all the Steelers crap around the house, while my Eagles were suckin ass with Bobby Hoying and Rich Kotite. :brickwall

As for Recchi, I believe you guys are givin him four mill a year for three years. That last year may be an option year, but I'm not sure. I just didn't see what the point was of signing a guy that age to that contract, when after the new CBA comes down, you may have to release him.

Happy Birthday to the greatest hockey player of all time:

Wayne Gretzky :thumb: :)

Happy Birthday to the greatest hockey player of all time:

Wayne Gretzky :thumb: :)

I second that!

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Has anyone ever been to the Hockey Hall Of Fame? I have been there 5 times. Here are some pictures of it....

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That's pretty cool Yankee. I've never been there, but I'm sure I would be in awe the whole time I was there.

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This is cool. Phil Esposito was the best player on Canada's 1972 team. I just watched all the games a month ago.

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LOL That's not true Yankee. We gave you guys Karl Dykhuis! LOL

I got my autographed puck in a writing contest I won at my grade school. Basically me and my best friend at the time wrote a play about saying no to drugs, and had our class all perform the play for the entire school. Pretty cool, eh? :)

I had never follwed hockey much back then because it just wasn't the in thing where I live. It still isn't really. Basketball and football rule here. So when we got cable tv I was introduced to the Flyers on the PRISM network, and just fell in love with the sport. Of course Mark Recchi became my favorite player after I got that puck. I've met him twice so far, and he's a super guy. It's ashame he's in Pittsburgh now. I'll always remember his days here when he was the "Recchin Ball"


That is a nice story, you are lucky. I never won anything half as good as that for writing anything in school. I am as anti-drug as you can get. I want an autographed puck too!:{ ;)

That's pretty cool Yankee. I've never been there, but I'm sure I would be in awe the whole time I was there.

Yeah it is great there. I have been to the old and new Hall Of Fame. The new one is better. The best part I remember, is that there is a shooting gallery, that tells you how hard your shot is. There is a lot of stuff to read, look at, and listen to there. So you should expect to spent hours looking at everything. The Stanley Cup was in a glass case when I went there too.:cool:

Anyone that played for Edmonton from 1981 to 1992...

Me bein's from Denver, I'm kinda going with Patrick Roy,Joe Sakik, and Peter Foresberg!

[QUOTE=YankeeRose]Has anyone ever been to the Hockey Hall Of Fame? I have been there 5 times.

Love that place. I can never resist the virtual goalie game they have there! lol

I thought this article was interesting and cool for this topic.:cool:




The Six Greatest Hockey Players



Choosing the six greatest hockey players of all time at each position -- a Hall of Fame All-Star squad if you will-- is a mind-boggling task. Not only do you have to slice and dice your choices from over 5,000 players who have played in the League since its inception to a half dozen, you also have to pass over so many legends from so many different eras in order to come to your final picks.



For example, who do you select as your all-time greatest center? Wayne Gretzky? Mario Lemieux? Phil Esposito, Stan Mikita, Marcel Dionne, Darryl Sittler, Jean Beliveau or Mark Messier? How about your left wing? Do you go with Bobby Hull? Luc Robitaille? Dave Andreychuk or Michel Goulet? To round out the top line, who is your right wing of choice? Gordie Howe? Mike Bossy? Jari Kurri? Guy Lafleur or Maurice Richard?



In your defensive zone, which two defensemen would you choose to patrol the blue line? Bobby Orr? Ray Bourque? Paul Coffey? Larry Robinson? Denis Potvin? Doug Harvey? Chris Chelios? Eddie Shore? The choices don't get easier when you have to pick your netminder. Who do you go with when names such as Ken Dryden, Patrick Roy, Terry Sawchuk, Jacques Plante, Grant Fuhr, Dominik Hasek, Billy Smith, Tony Esposito and Gump Worsley are staring you in the face?



Questions, questions, questions!

There are no right or wrong choices for this all-star squad, just a lot of individual opinions.



Center --

In 1,487 games, Gretzky tallied 894 goals and 1,963 assists for 2,857 total points in his high-scoring career.



Wayne Gretzky -- Gretzky didn't get the nickname "The Great One" for nothing. The NHL's all-time leading scorer not only won four Stanley Cups in his career, he also holds almost every scoring record in NHL history. In 1,487 games, Gretzky tallied 894 goals and 1,963 assists for 2,857 total points in his high-scoring career. The Brantford, Ontario native also won nine Hart trophies as the League's MVP, 10 Art Ross trophies as the NHL's top scorer and two Conn Smyth Trophies as the playoff's most valuable player. The 20-year veteran appeared in the All-Star Game every year in his career. Gretzky, who was voted a First Team All-Star eight times in his career, also was the only player ever to be named win the game's MVP while representing three different teams. No. 99 holds the individual records for most goals (92), assists (163) and points (215) in the regular season. He also is the highest scoring center in League history. During his time in the NHL, Gretzky registered 14 100-or-more point seasons, four 200-point seasons, nine 50-or-more goal seasons, five 60-or-more goal seasons and two 80-or-more goal seasons. His No. 99 was retired by the League after he hung up his skates for good after the 1998-99 season. He was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame on Nov. 22, 1999.



Defensemen ?-

Harvey is probably the best all-around defenseman of all time.



Doug Harvey -- Harvey is probably the best all-around defenseman of all time. The former Montreal Canadiens backliner, who played in the League from 1947 until 1969, could do it all on both sides of the puck. He not only was selected to the NHL All-Star team 11 consecutive times, he also won an impressive seven Norris Trophies in eight years from 1955 to 1962. The 20-year NHL veteran also won six Stanley Cup championships in his career. Harvey, who recorded 540 points in 1,113 games, was a huge piece of the Canadien squad that won five straight Cups from 1956 to 1960. One needs to look no further than to Hall of Famer Toe Blake's quote on Harvey to find out what type of player he was. "Doug Harvey was the greatest defenseman who ever played hockey ? bar none." Harvey was elected into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1973.



Orr not only brought an offensive element to what was mostly a defensive position when he came into the League in 1966, he also proved that forwards weren't the only ones who could dominate games.



Bobby Orr -- If there was one player who revolutionized the way defensemen play in the NHL it was Orr. The former Boston Bruins' defender not only brought an offensive element to what was mostly a defensive position when he came into the League in 1966, he also proved that forwards weren't the only ones who could dominate games. In his Hall of Fame career, Orr won the Art Ross trophy for the League scoring championship twice (1970, 1975), becoming the only defenseman to ever accomplish the feat. The world-class player also won the Norris Trophy as the NHL's top defenseman eight consecutive times and also reeled in the Hart Trophy as the NHL's most valuable player three times. In the postseason, Orr was just as good, as he helped lead the Bruins to two Stanley Cup titles during his time wearing the black and gold. Orr not only tallied the game-winner in both title wins, he also garnered the Conn Smythe trophy as playoff MVP both times. The former rookie of the year scored 270 goals and 645 assists in his majestic career. He was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1979.



Left wing --

Hull tallied 610 goals and 560 assists in his illustrious career.



Bobby Hull -- No left wing during his era struck fear in the hearts of goalies more than Bobby Hull. "The Golden Jet" not only had a deft scoring touch around the net, he also had a shot that was clocked at 120 mph, making him a netminder's nightmare. The Chicago Blackhawks great tallied 610 goals and 560 assists in his illustrious career. Hull won the Art Ross trophy as the League's scoring champion three times (1960, '62, '66) and won the Hart trophy as the regular season MVP twice (1965, '66). The lethal winger also led the Blackhawks to their first Stanley Cup championship since 1938, when he notched four goals and 10 assists in 12 postseason games during the 1960-61 season. Hull recorded 129 points in 119 career playoff games off 62 goals and 67 assists. In January 1970, Hull was voted the top NHL player of the 1960s by the Associated Press. He was also voted a First Team All-Star 10 times in his career and was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1973.

Right wing --

Howe went on to play 24 more years in the NHL, winning six Hart Trophies as the League's MVP, six scoring titles and was voted a First Team All-Star 12 times.



Gordie Howe -- Judging from his first year in the NHL, Howe didn't play like he was going to be the best right wing of all time. The 18-year-old Saskatchewan native made his NHL debut at the tender age of 18 with the Detroit Red Wings in the 1946-47 season, tallying only seven goals and 22 points in 58 games. But the six-foot, 205-pound forward did create a buzz with his feisty, physical style. In his second season, Howe doubled his on-ice production, registering 44 points off 16 goals and 28 assists. He went on to play 24 more years in the NHL, winning six Hart Trophies as the League's MVP, six scoring titles and was voted a First Team All-Star 12 times. Howe also played in the most All-Star Games of any NHLer (23), compiling 10 goals and nine assists along the way. Howe, who also played for the Hartford Whalers, finished with 801 goals and 1,049 assists for a grand total of 1,850 points in 1,767 games. The high-scoring winger also led the Red Wings to four Stanley Cup championships in his tenure in Detroit. "Mr. Hockey" played in All-Star games spanning five decades and more impressively also played professional hockey in six decades. The former Detroit great was one of the first true power forwards in the game, who combined a deft scoring touch to go along with his ruggedness. "The Production Line" member finished his career with 1,685 penalty minutes on his NHL resume. Howe was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1972.



Goaltender --

Roy not only holds the record for regular-season wins in the NHL, he also is the all-time leader in victories in the playoffs.



Patrick Roy -- No goaltender in the history of the NHL has had more success between the pipes than Roy. The Colorado Avalanche goaltender not only holds the record for regular-season wins in the NHL, he also is the all-time leader in victories in the playoffs. The Quebec City native has captured four Stanley Cup championships in his stellar career (two with Montreal and two with Colorado). In his rookie year, he not only won his first-ever Stanley Cup, but also captured his first Conn Smythe trophy as playoff MVP. The former Canadien goaltender is the youngest player ever to win the distinguished award (20) and also is the only player ever to win the trophy three times. The future Hall of Famer has won the Vezina trophy three times, the William Jennings Trophy four times and has played in 10 NHL All-Star Games. Roy is the NHL's all-time leading goaltender in games, minutes and shutouts in the postseason and the all-time leader in 10-plus win playoff seasons (8). The Avalanche goalkeeper has won 20 games or more 16 times, 30 or more 12 times and 40 or more one time in his noteworthy career.



A Six Pack For The Ages: By Robert Picarello, NHL.com

The Great Debates

The Hockey News has a new magazine out that has hockey writers and fans debate the answers to these questions.:cool:

So feel free to copy and paste these questions and answer them...


Who is the best player of all-time?

Who is the individual talent of all-time?

What was the best dynasty of all-time?

Who is the best goalie of all-time?

Who is the clutch performer of all-time?

Who is the most underrated player of all-time?

Who is the greatest goal scorer of all-time?

What is the best hockey nation?

Who is the greatest fighter of all-time?

Who is the greatest captain of all-time?

Which international team was the best?

Where is the best hockey region?

Who is the most notorious on-ice villain?

Who is the most notorious personality?

Who is the greatest coach of all-time?

Who is the best play-by-play man ever?

Who is the best skater ever?

Who is the greatest passer of all-time?

Who is the most colourful player ever?

Who is the best player NOT in the Hall Of Fame?

Which team was the worst of all-time?

Who is the greatest referee of all-time?

Should Brett Hull's Stanley Cup winning goal in 1999 have counted?

What was the bigger moment? Canada's win over the USSR in 1972 or the US's gold medal victory in 1980?

Which player has most changed the game?

What was the best Stanley Cup final ever?

Where is the birthplace of hockey?

When should expansion have stopped?

Which NHL leader has had the most impact?

Goal or no goal? Martin Gelains possible Cup winner in Game 6 2004?

Should visors be mandatory?

Should the instigator rule be abolished?

Should fighting be apart of the game?

What's better? Two refs or one?

What is better? Wood or composite?

Should tied games (regular season) end in a shootout?

Should the NHL adopt no-touch icing?

Should the NHL contract?

Major junior vs college: Which is better?

Ice size? NHL or international?

Should the two-line pass be allowed?

Should the NHL have more 4-on-4?

Should goalies wear smaller equipment?

Are NHL players overpaid?

Is the NHL draft age too young at 18?

Should there be a defensive defenseman award?

More playoff teams than 16?

Suspensions based on intent or injury?

Should the NHL be at the Olympics?

Goalies fair game outside crease?

Should injury disclosure be mandatory?

Who has hockey's most notorious hair?

What is the best sweater number? 9 or 4?

White tape or black tape?

What is the ugliest 3rd jersey of all-time?

Who is the best anthem singer of all-time?

What's better? Dark or white jerseys at home?

What's better? Organ or taped music?

Is it a good idea to pull the goalie?

Who is the best Sutter?

What is the best hockey movie of all-time?

Here are my answers!:cool:

Who is the best player of all-time? Gordie Howe

Who is the individual talent of all-time? Wayne Gretzky

What was the best dynasty of all-time? Montreal Canadiens in the 1970's

Who is the best goalie of all-time? Patrick Roy

Who is the clutch performer of all-time? Mario Lemieux

Who is the most underrated player of all-time? Vladimir Konstantinov

Who is the greatest goal scorer of all-time? Gordie Howe

What is the best hockey nation? Canada

Who is the greatest fighter of all-time? Bob Probert

Who is the greatest captain of all-time? Steve Yzerman

Which international team was the best? Canada

Where is the best hockey region? Ontario, Canada

Who is the most notorious on-ice villain? Marty McSorley

Who is the most notorious personality? Esa Tikkanen

Who is the greatest coach of all-time? Scotty Bowman

Who is the best play-by-play man ever? Bob Cole

Who is the best skater ever? Bobby Orr

Who is the greatest passer of all-time? Wayne Gretzky

Who is the most colourful player ever? Eddie Shack

Who is the best player NOT in the Hall Of Fame? Vladimir Konstantinov


Which team was the worst of all-time? San Jose Sharks 1991

Who is the greatest referee of all-time? Ron Finn

Should Brett Hull's Stanley Cup winning goal in 1999 have counted? NO!

What was the bigger moment? Canada's win over the USSR in 1972 or the US's gold medal victory in 1980? Canada of course!!!!!

Which player has most changed the game? Jaques Plante

What was the best Stanley Cup final ever? Montreal Canadiens vs. L.A. Kings 1993

Where is the birthplace of hockey? Canada

When should expansion have stopped? With the Edmonton Oliers joining the NHL from the WHA.
Which NHL leader has had the most impact? Wayne Gretzky

Goal or no goal? Martin Gelains possible Cup winner in Game 6 2004? Goal

Should visors be mandatory? No

Should the instigator rule be abolished? No

Should fighting be apart of the game? Yes

What's better? Two refs or one? 2

What is better? Wood or composite? Wood

Should tied games (regular season) end in a shootout? No

Should the NHL adopt no-touch icing? No

Should the NHL contract? Yes

Major junior vs college: Which is better? Major Junior

Ice size? NHL or international? International

Should the two-line pass be allowed? Yes

Should the NHL have more 4-on-4? No

Should goalies wear smaller equipment? No

Are NHL players overpaid? Yes

Is the NHL draft age too young at 18? No

Should there be a defensive defenseman award? Yes

More playoff teams than 16? No

Suspensions based on intent or injury? Yes

Should the NHL be at the Olympics? Yes

Goalies fair game outside crease? No

Should injury disclosure be mandatory? No

Who has hockey's most notorious hair? Jaromir Jagr

What is the best sweater number? 9 or 4? 9

White tape or black tape? White

What is the ugliest 3rd jersey of all-time? Colorado Avalanche

Who is the best anthem singer of all-time? Shania Twain

What's better? Dark or white jerseys at home? White

What's better? Organ or taped music? taped music

Is it a good idea to pull the goalie? Yes

Who is the best Sutter? Ron Sutter

What is the best hockey movie of all-time? Net Worth

Thanks for posting these Yankee. Here are my answers:


Who is the best player of all-time? #99

Who is the individual talent of all-time? Mario Lemieux

What was the best dynasty of all-time? Edmonton of the 80's

Who is the best goalie of all-time? Bernie Parent, and Patty Roy

Who is the clutch performer of all-time? Claude Lemiuex/Mark Messier

Who is the most underrated player of all-time? Adam Oates

Who is the greatest goal scorer of all-time? Gretzky

What is the best hockey nation? Canada

Who is the greatest fighter of all-time? Dave "the hammer" Schultz

Who is the greatest captain of all-time? Gordie Howe

Which international team was the best? Russia

Where is the best hockey region? Quebec

Who is the most notorious on-ice villain? Claude Lemieux

Who is the most notorious personality? Jeremy "Styles" Roenick

Who is the greatest coach of all-time? Scotty Bowman

Who is the best play-by-play man ever? Mike Emrick

Who is the best skater ever? Lemieux/Orr

Who is the greatest passer of all-time? Gretz/Oates

Who is the most colourful player ever? Roenick

Who is the best player NOT in the Hall Of Fame? Yzerman

Which team was the worst of all-time? Ottawa of the 90's

Who is the greatest referee of all-time? Paul Stewart

Should Brett Hull's Stanley Cup winning goal in 1999 have counted? No

What was the bigger moment? Canada's win over the USSR in 1972 or the US's gold medal victory in 1980? The Miracle On Ice!

Which player has most changed the game? Eric Lindros

What was the best Stanley Cup final ever? Flyers/Oilers 87

Where is the birthplace of hockey? Canada

When should expansion have stopped? Edmonton

Which NHL leader has had the most impact? Patrick Roy

Goal or no goal? Martin Gelains possible Cup winner in Game 6 2004? Goal

Should visors be mandatory? No

Should the instigator rule be abolished? HELL YEA!!

Should fighting be apart of the game? Yes, but bench clearing brawls should remain outlawed.

What's better? Two refs or one? It would seem that two heads are better then one. That is not the case in the NHL.

What is better? Wood or composite? Alot of guys are using the composite and it's adding more speed to their shot, but I like the wood sticks.

Should tied games (regular season) end in a shootout? I like a continous overtime until a winner is declared.

Should the NHL adopt no-touch icing? No.

Should the NHL contract? YES, sorry Columbus.

Major junior vs college: Which is better? Juniors.

Ice size? NHL or international? NHL.

Should the two-line pass be allowed? NO, sorry Bure's.

Should the NHL have more 4-on-4? No.

Should goalies wear smaller equipment? Yes. Garth Snow would then be out of a job once he's exposed.

Are NHL players overpaid? Yes, very overpaid.

Is the NHL draft age too young at 18? No.

Should there be a defensive defenseman award? Absolutely.

More playoff teams than 16? No.

Suspensions based on intent or injury? Yes, so guys like Marchment and Tucker have a reason not to be asshole's on the ice.

Should the NHL be at the Olympics? No, let the college kids play.

Goalies fair game outside crease? To an extent, yes.

Should injury disclosure be mandatory? Teams lie about injuries, nothing will ever chance that.

Who has hockey's most notorious hair? Chris Simon and Mike Rici in the 90's.

What is the best sweater number? 9 or 4? 9

White tape or black tape? Black..

What is the ugliest 3rd jersey of all-time? A blue Flyers jersey. YUCK!

Who is the best anthem singer of all-time? Kate Smith

What's better? Dark or white jerseys at home? Dark.

What's better? Organ or taped music? Organ

Is it a good idea to pull the goalie? In some situations it's a very good idea.

Who is the best Sutter? They're ALL great!

What is the best hockey movie of all-time? Mystery Alaska.......yea right! Slapshot by a long shot. :thumb:

It was fun reading your answers Sucka.:) I thought Adam Oates was great too. I never saw the Flyers 3rd Blue Jersey I don't think. That sounds strange though.

I tried finding it online but couldn't. I'm tellin ya, that jersey just had to be the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

I tried finding it online but couldn't. I'm tellin ya, that jersey just had to be the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

LOL! It must be really ugly!:eek: I know how much you love the Flyers.

I like Montreal's 3rd Jersey a lot, I even bought one last year. It is the jersey they wore in the 1940's.:cool:

What I don't like is the Flyers organization retiring our former orange and black home jerseys. Those jersey's signified so much to the players and the fans. When you played against the orange and black, you better have plenty of ice packs ready!

What I don't like is the Flyers organization retiring our former orange and black home jerseys. Those jersey's signified so much to the players and the fans. When you played against the orange and black, you better have plenty of ice packs ready!

Yeah I like those orange and black jerseys better. I had a Flyers home jersey when I was a kid! :cool:

I hate it when teams change their uniform colours. The Buffalo Sabres did it a few years ago too.

"Mr. Hartford Whaler" Ronnie Francis. #10 has been in the league for many years and nobody has been as consistant.

I agree with that Raldo, and I actually put done Ron's name as the most underrated, but decided to go with Adam Oates instead. I think these two are both hugely underrated, but good hockey fans know these guys have some serious game.

Who is the greatest fighter of all-time? Dave "the hammer" Schultz

i agree

Who is the most notorious on-ice villain? Claude Lemieux...uh, nope..try ty domi..



Who is the best play-by-play man ever? Mike Emrick---are u kidding? Gene Hart--helloooo!!!!
Should the NHL contract? YES, sorry Columbus. --hilarious,, and i agree!!

What is the best hockey movie of all-time? Mystery Alaska.......yea right! Slapshot by a long shot. again, much agreement!!
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Gene Hart was unbelievable, but to me Emrick and Clement were one of the best combo's in sports broadcast history. I hate the Devils, but I'll listen to the games just for Emrick.

And Tie Domi isn't even close to being the most notorious villian. Domi has done some cheap stuff out there on the ice at time, but atleast he'll drop the gloves and kick some ass. Claude would end your career in a snap. Didn't give a shit about anything.

ill chalk it up to not being old enough to have listenedf to gene live in his glory days..he invented the paly-by play style used by everyone in hockey!!!

as for domi, compared to claude lemiuex? claude doesnt qualify cause he could score and actually had some points!!!
as for Domi, the little bastard!!

actually, one of the dirtiest players in the history of the NHL......believe it or not, Bobby Clarke..and he never fought..had a few 'goons' to do that for him..no wonder schultz had so many fights!!

I'll get crucified for this blasphemy, but I'd take Mario over Wayne any and every day. Mario was a better pure scorer, and if he had the supporting cast that Wayne had, he'd have even better numbers. Yes, Wayne is the 'great one,' but Mario was the greatest one. If you put the two one on one, Mario'd win. Ok, Mario did have a good supporting cast, especially Jagr, who I'd put in the top 10 all time, but the rest were roll players. Their numbers might have been good with the Pens, but before they got to P-burgh, and after they left, their numbers weren't as good, indicating that Mario made them better--there were a few exceptions, but this was the general trend.

Be gentle.

Maybe this will put my view into perspective. Wayne is like Kareem, the highest scorer of all time, a great passer, made every team he played with better. Mario, however, is like Jordan.

Claude would end your career in a snap. Didn't give a shit about anything.

End of story, right there. Him and Daryus Kasparitous (sp?) are the two biggest pieces of shit to play the game of hockey.

In terms of assholes, I have soft spots in my heart for Tie Domi and Joe Thornton. I was so happy when I saw Sheldon Souray beat Domi's ass twice last year in person and Stephane Quintal causing Thornton to whimper and bitch like a half-dead horse.

LOL... Sorry fellas, I just had to get that out of me. I just thought of how upset I get at some of these guys in the heat of things. :)

I'll get crucified for this blasphemy, but I'd take Mario over Wayne any and every day. Mario was a better pure scorer, and if he had the supporting cast that Wayne had, he'd have even better numbers. Yes, Wayne is the 'great one,' but Mario was the greatest one. If you put the two one on one, Mario'd win. Ok, Mario did have a good supporting cast, especially Jagr, who I'd put in the top 10 all time, but the rest were roll players. Their numbers might have been good with the Pens, but before they got to P-burgh, and after they left, their numbers weren't as good, indicating that Mario made them better--there were a few exceptions, but this was the general trend.

Be gentle.


I agree w/ you totally, having seen him play first hand Mario is a talent unmatched. Had he be healthy, and had a team like the 80's Oilers there would be little debate over who is better. :thumb:

This is a nice photo of Mr. Hockey and The Rocket.

http://www.carisse.org/images/412_Rocket_Richard_Gordie_Howe_891128A5.jpg

Wayne with Gordie.

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http://www.sportsposterwarehouse.com/warehouse/gretzhowe90-1.jpg

Here is what Scotty Bowman says about the greatest hockey player ever.:cool:



Scotty Bowman
Nine-Time Stanley Cup Champion
The Most Successful Coach in NHL History
When the Hockey News asked Scotty Bowman to cast a vote for the greatest player in hockey history, he didn't need to analyze statistics and ponder differences in eras to make his choice. He just knew that the greatest player of all-time, in his mind, would always be Mr. Hockey, Gordie Howe.
"When I think about players I consider three ingredients: the head, the heart and the feet," Bowman said. "Some players don't have any of those and some players have one or two. But, Gordie had all three in high dimensions." Here is Bowman's breakdown of Howe's attributes:
The head: "He thought a hell of a game. He could play offensively and defensively. That's why he was able to play so long."
The feet: "He was an effortless skater. I used to see him play in his prime in the late 40's and early 50's when I was living in Montreal. That was when Detroit finished in first place for seven consecutive seasons from 1949 to 1955. Howe could have played the whole game. He never got tired. He was like Nick Lindstrom is today."
The heart: "I don't think there was anyone close to him. Some say Bobby Orr, but Bobby only played ten years. Gordie was the ultimate forward, and he could play center. He could play wing. He could even play defense. How many players could actually play both forward and defense? I've only had a couple: Sergie Fedorov and Bob Gainey, who I played back there once when we had injuries."
Bowman coached 30 years in the NHL and witnessed many talented athletes, but he never encountered anyone who could do as much during a hockey game as Howe.
"He was the strongest player in the league for many years and no one was close to him in strength," Bowman said. "In the first year of expansion, he was with a mediocre Detroit team. He got 103 points and he was 40 years of age."
Howe was third in the NHL in scoring that season, behind Boston's Phil Esposito and Chicago's Bobby Hull, but Howe placing among scoring leaders certainly didn't qualify as news around the NHL at the time. At age 21, Howe became one of the NHL's premium scorers, and he remained one until he retired for the first time at age 43. Lost in the marveling over Howe's longevity is the fact that he was a dominant player throughout his tenure in hockey. In essence, he was dominant beyond age 50.
Signing his first NHL contract with the Red Wings before the 1946-1947 season, Mr. Hockey was able to break into the ranks of the leading scorers by 1949-1950 when he finished third behind his production-line line-mates, Ted Lindsay and Sid Abel. That marked the beginning of a 20-season period in which he was in the top five in scoring. He won six league-scoring crowns during that time.
Bowman remembers looking at a list of All-Stars in the Red Wings dressing room and noting that Howe was the first-team or second-team All-Star right wing 21 times in his NHL career. That record may never be surpassed. Howe was a first-team selection 12 times.
"When Gordie Howe was second-team, it wasn't like he was finishing second to ham and eggs," Bowman said. "He was finishing second to Maurice "Rocket" Richard who might be the greatest goal scorer of all-time. Rocket was an outstanding clutch player, but he didn't have the defensive acumen that Howe had."
Another factor that Bowman considered in reaching his conclusion that Howe was the best player of all-time was that Howe was able to recover from a near-catastrophic head injury when he was 21. In the opening game of the 1949-1950 playoffs, Howe suffered a fractured skull when he went sliding into the boards after being smacked in the nose and eye by Toronto Maple Leafs forward Teeder Kennedy's stick. (Howe has said publicly that he believes it was an accident.) Surgeons were forced to drill into his skull to remove swelling and pressure on the brain. He was listed in critical condition for a significant period of time.
After the Red Wings won the Stanley Cup Championship with a dramatic Game 7 double-overtime win, fans began chanting Howe's name. He was forced to come out on the ice in street clothes to quiet them down.
"Not many players could have come back from that level of injury; he was really just starting his career," Bowman says. "He was an amazing athlete and he was on championship teams as well. All of these
things add up to be too much for anyone else to overcome. Howe was the best."
Through the years Bowman has also talked to players, such as Jean Beliveau, Dickie Moore and others who faced Howe in his prime. They were in awe of him.
"They thought he was close to Superman," said Bowman.(

Editor's Note: In 26 National Hockey League seasons, Gordie Howe played in 23 All-Star games. In 6 seasons, in the World Hockey Association, he played in 6 All-Star games. Amazingly, in 32 professional seasons, he played in a world record 29 All-Star games. In the season, after Mr. Hockey nearly died from his head injury, he led the league in scoring.
( A Tribute to the Sport's Greatest Couple (

http://cgi.canoe.ca/GretzkyImages/99allstar_howe.jpg


Another Howe and Gretzky picture.

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/gordiehowe3.jpg

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/gordiehowe3c.jpg

I found a ton of old hockey photos online! Here are some of Terrible Ted! I have a movie on him on tape, called Net Worth that is awesome.

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/tedlindsay3.jpg

I have seen Pete play before, he scored a wicked goal in the '72 Canada vs. U.S.S.R series, that I have on DVD.:cool: His brother Frank is more famous though.



http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/petemahovlich3.jpg

Norm Ullman is a hockey legend as well.

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/normullman3.jpg

I have a book on Crozier called Daredevil goalie, he was awesome!

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/rogercrozier3.jpg

I have an old hockey card of Alex, that is probably worth a lot now.

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/alexdelvecchio3h.jpg

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/alexdelvecchio3aw.jpg
:thumb:

Paul Henderson will be forever remembered by all Canadians for his game winning goal in 1972!

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/paulhenderson3.jpg

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group1/sidabel1.jpgI heard Sid died in 2000. He was part of the first production line with Howe and Lindsay. One of the greatest lines ever in hockey history!

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/sidabel2.jpg

:cool:

Al Arbour is famous for helping the Islanders win those Stanley Cups in the early 80's as their coach.

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/alarbour2d.jpg

:cool: http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/billgadsby2dhg.jpg

I read Glenn Hall used to get so nervous, he would throw up before every game!

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/glennhall2d.jpg

Red was a great defenseman, who retired when he was traded from the Wings he was so angry! He then came back a few years later as a player for the Leafs and he played forward for them. Jack Adams was a loser, he traded him away and Ted Lindsay too.:irked:


http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/redkelly2d.jpg

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Another Lindsay photo.

The second greatest goalie ever after Patrick Roy imo.

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/terrysawchuk2dv.jpg

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Thanks for posting these YR. Damn! Some of these were tough! Apparently I need to get more educated on my hockey history.


Who is the best player of all-time? Mario Lemieux... but I'm a little biased.

Who is the individual talent of all-time? ML again.

What was the best dynasty of all-time? Either the 80's Oilers or the Canadians from a couple decades.

Who is the best goalie of all-time? Patrick Roy gloves-down

Who is the clutch performer of all-time? Mario or Jagr

Who is the most underrated player of all-time? Ronnie Francis

Who is the greatest goal scorer of all-time? Lemieux. Goalies were just plain scared to see him comin' at 'em.

What is the best hockey nation? Canada. duh.

Who is the greatest fighter of all-time? Bob Probert

Who is the greatest captain of all-time? Gordie Howe

Which international team was the best? Canada or Russia

Where is the best hockey region? Quebec in Canada and Minnesota in the US.

Who is the most notorious on-ice villain? Dale Hunter, Claude Lemieux, Ulf Samuelsson... too many to pick just one.

Who is the most notorious personality? Kasparaitis

Who is the greatest coach of all-time? Bowman

Who is the best play-by-play man ever? Mike Lange

Who is the best skater ever? Bobby Orr or Paul Coffey

Who is the greatest passer of all-time? Adam Oates

Who is the most colourful player ever? Theo Fleury? I dunno, this one's tough.

Who is the best player NOT in the Hall Of Fame? I can't think of anyone who isn't in that should be unless they're still playing.

Which team was the worst of all-time? The Nordiques of the late 80's or the Sharks when they were still new.

Who is the greatest referee of all-time? Paul Stewart "...and his hair was perfect"

Should Brett Hull's Stanley Cup winning goal in 1999 have counted? NO!!

What was the bigger moment? Canada's win over the USSR in 1972 or the US's gold medal victory in 1980? US

Which player has most changed the game? Plante. Saved all goalies some dental work

What was the best Stanley Cup final ever? Pens/Hawks '92

Where is the birthplace of hockey? Somewhere in Canada...

When should expansion have stopped? '67

Which NHL leader has had the most impact? Orr. He showed that defenseman could be superstars too.

Goal or no goal? Martin Gelains possible Cup winner in Game 6 2004? Goal

Should visors be mandatory? No

Should the instigator rule be abolished? Yes

Should fighting be apart of the game? Yes

What's better? Two refs or one? Two

What is better? Wood or composite? I've always liked wood but I've never tried a composite. To each his own...

Should tied games (regular season) end in a shootout? Yes, after a 10 minute 4-on-4.

Should the NHL adopt no-touch icing? Yes. All levels of hockey should adopt no-touch icing. People can be paralyzed trying too hard to get to the puck first. It's just a faceoff!!

Should the NHL contract? Yes

Major junior vs college: Which is better? Major Junior

Ice size? NHL or international? International because it opens up the game.

Should the two-line pass be allowed? Yes

Should the NHL have more 4-on-4? No

Should goalies wear smaller equipment? Hell yeah!

Are NHL players overpaid? Almost all pro sports athletes are overpaid.

Is the NHL draft age too young at 18? No

Should there be a defensive defenseman award? Without a doubt.

More playoff teams than 16? No. I love hockey but July is not a good time for the SCF.

Suspensions based on intent or injury? Depending on the situation I think it's reasonable to ban them from the sport. Pete Rose bet on baseball and was banned from baseball and guys like Bertuzzi can take break a guy's neck and play again? I know, heat of the moment and all that but if you're a pro, you gotta be able to control yourself.

Should the NHL be at the Olympics? No. Nicer to watch but it takes away from the "amateurity" of the Olympics. Let the young guys get their chance on the world's stage.

Goalies fair game outside crease? Within reason...

Should injury disclosure be mandatory? No. Guys like Claude Lemieux will be gunnin' for ya.

Who has hockey's most notorious hair? I would say it used to be Jagr before it got chopped.

What is the best sweater number? 9 or 4? 9

White tape or black tape? Black

What is the ugliest 3rd jersey of all-time? Can't think of one but my vote for most hideous jersey would be the Canuck's yellow jersey with the triangular neck stripes from the 80's.

Who is the best anthem singer of all-time? I have no idea.

What's better? Dark or white jerseys at home? White. That's what good guys wear.

What's better? Organ or taped music? Organ. It's still an "old-time" game to me.

Is it a good idea to pull the goalie? If you're losing at the end!

Who is the best Sutter? Ron

What is the best hockey movie of all-time? Slapshot or Miracle

I agree with you about Probert VH, and those ugly Canucks jerseys. The original LA Kings jerseys were pretty ugly too!

Here are some more classic hockey photos. Montreal Canadiens this time. Starting with the highest scoring Canadien ever! Also the first man to score 50 goals in 50 games......

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/mauricerocketrichard2.jpg

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/gumpworsley2m.jpg
:cool:

:cool: This is a great photo of Beliveau...

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/jeanbeliveau2.jpg

This is the man who invented the slap shot! Boom Boom Geoffrion.

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/berniegeoffrion2.jpg

Definately one of the greatest defencemen of all-time!

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:cool:

Another Hab hall of famer....

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A legend! The first man to wear a goalie mask regularly, and the first goalie ever to leave the crease!

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The pocket Rocket!


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Some more hockey legends. I have this guy's autograph.

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http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/bobbyhull3po.jpg

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/stanmikita3.jpg

:cool:

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/philesposito3vb.jpg

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/pierrepilote3h.jpg

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/pierrepilote3aw.jpg

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/glennhall3.jpg

:thumb:

I know Parent better with the Flyers...

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/bernieparent3.jpg

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/terrysawchuk2b.jpg

:cool:

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/jacquesplante3.jpg

:cool:

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I have seen Gilbert play before, he was great. I have a book on him too...

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I agree with you about Probert VH, and those ugly Canucks jerseys. The original LA Kings jerseys were pretty ugly too!

The purple and yellow ones with the crown? I don't remember those as being too hideous (but then I like the late '70s Astros uniforms, too).

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/stanmikita3.jpg

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Did Stan actually appear in "Wayne's World", or just his name? He's listed in the cast credits!

"Bernard" Parent - lol!

I'll get crucified for this blasphemy, but I'd take Mario over Wayne any and every day. Mario was a better pure scorer, and if he had the supporting cast that Wayne had, he'd have even better numbers. Yes, Wayne is the 'great one,' but Mario was the greatest one. If you put the two one on one, Mario'd win. Ok, Mario did have a good supporting cast, especially Jagr, who I'd put in the top 10 all time, but the rest were roll players. Their numbers might have been good with the Pens, but before they got to P-burgh, and after they left, their numbers weren't as good, indicating that Mario made them better--there were a few exceptions, but this was the general trend.

Be gentle.

Mario the Greatest? That is blasphemy and even Mario would disagree with you. He himself said he didn't realize what it took to become a truly great player until he practised and played alongside Gretzky in the 87 Canada Cup and saw the dedication that the Great One brought to the game on a daily basis. Mario blossomed in that tournament and went on to finally win a couple of cups with Pittsburgh, thanks in large part to the lessons he learned from Gretzky.

Gretzky has admitted more than once that Mario was more physically talented, but as humble as Wayne is/was, he would never concede that Mario was the better player and he shouldn't. If sheer physical talent was the only barometer for greatness, then Randall Cunningham would be considered a greater quarterback than Joe Montana. Like Joe Cool, no one thought the game better than the Great One, and it's that attribute that made every player around him better. One of Gretzky's best feats ever was taking a marginally talented LA Kings team to the final. Tomas Sandstrom, Tony Granato? These players were hardly the equal of Jari Kurri or Mark Messier, but Gretz put that team on his back and took them all the way to the Finals.

Of course, I'm biased because I grew up in Edmonton and had the privilege of watching the 80's Oilers dynsasty on a nightly basis, but I doubt I will ever again see a player like Wayne Gretzky. A player like that comes along once in a lifetime. To follow your basketball analogy, I would argue that Mario was actually more like Wilt the Stilt, while Wayne is undisputedly the Jordan of hockey.

If you are talking about who Wayne thinks is the best. Wayne Gretzky has said many times over the years that Gordie Howe is the greatest hockey player ever. He never said that Mario Lemieux was better than himself though, and he shouldn't.:cool:

http://www.chem.ucla.edu/~pdoucett/gretzky.jpg

Some memories of the greatest player ever.

1) In the waning moments of the game, dekes out the entire Chicago Blackhawks team to score and keep his consecutive points streak alive - 51 consecutive games with a point.

2) Run of the mill regular season game. Two players are chasing Wayne to get the puck (as usual). He circles back to the center ice side of the Oiler blueline, then, with his face to the boards and his back to the play, he fires a seeing eye cross ice, backhand pass to Kurri who gets the pass in full flight just onside and skates in and scores on an uncontested breakaway. To this day, I don't think anyone who saw that could figure out how Gretz could have seen Kurri from his vantage point, nevermind how he made a perfect pass to him through traffic, with his back turned to the play. One of the few plays I ever saw him make, where even he had to shake his in wonder along with every Oiler on the bench who couldn't believe what they'd just seen.

3) The greatest goal scorer ever makes the most accurate shot I've ever seen. Two of my favorite Gretz goals are both empty netters. The first is the classic empty netter against Philly to net his 50th in 39th. The second occured in the last minute of Game One in the 93 Finals between the Habs and Kings. In the last minute of the game, the puck squirts into the corner of the Habs zone just in front of where the redline meets the boards. Gretzy outraces a Montreal player to the puck, grabs the puck, turns and fires in one motion from an impossible angle and drains it. CBC (gotta love 'em for hockey) had the perfect camera angle of the shot from slightly behind the net on the opposite side of the rink and it showed how Gretz literally threaded the needle with no time to aim whatsoever.

4) The ultimate class act by the game's classiest player. Gretzky and the Oil hoist the cup again in 87 after one of the most bitterly fought finals ever against the Flyers. Gretzky, the Captain, hoists the cup first, then turns and looks for the player he wants to hand the Cup to next, handing it finally to Steve Smith. Smith, who's goal into his own net the year before, costs the Oilers a chance at an unprecedented five cups in a row, looks as happy as a human is capable of being.

5) The Gretzky legacy. Early in his Oiler career, Gretzky gets a equipment job in the Oiler dressing room for Joey Moss, the handicapped brother of his then girlfriend, singer Vicky Moss. Joey now has 5 Stanley Cup rings and when the puck next drops for NHL play, he will resume his career as a cherished and invaluable member of the Oiler organization. The Gretzky legacy, as quoted by those who knew him best, "as great a player as he was, he is a better person." Now, that's true Greatness!

http://www.chem.ucla.edu/~pdoucett/gretzky.jpg

2) Run of the mill regular season game. Two players are chasing Wayne to get the puck (as usual). He circles back to the center ice side of the Oiler blueline, then, with his face to the boards and his back to the play, he fires a seeing eye cross ice, backhand pass to Kurri who gets the pass in full flight just onside and skates in and scores on an uncontested breakaway. To this day, I don't think anyone who saw that could figure out how Gretz could have seen Kurri from his vantage point, nevermind how he made a perfect pass to him through traffic, with his back turned to the play. One of the few plays I ever saw him make, where even he had to shake his in wonder along with every Oiler on the bench who couldn't believe what they'd just seen.



Man, I'd like to see a good video of that! Any chance he was catching Kurri's reflection off the glass?

The purple and yellow ones with the crown? I don't remember those as being too hideous (but then I like the late '70s Astros uniforms, too).



Did Stan actually appear in "Wayne's World", or just his name? He's listed in the cast credits!

"Bernard" Parent - lol!

Yeah I didn't like the yellow and purple, I preferred the Black and Silver uniforms that LA had in the late 80's and 90's.

I remember Stan had some kind of a restaurant in Wayne's World, he might have been in it a bit. I haven't seen that movie in years. I also remember Wayne and Garth playing road hockey, and one of them had a Blackhawks jersey with Mikita on it.

Bernie is short for Bernard. I know because that was my grandfathers name.:cool:

Well, I knew that - just don't think I've ever seen Monsieur Parent referred to as "Bernard" before!

At least nobody bothers to try to spell out Rogie Vachon's first name!

Well, I knew that - just don't think I've ever seen Monsieur Parent referred to as "Bernard" before!

At least nobody bothers to try to spell out Rogie Vachon's first name!

Oh okay Billy, now I understand. The LA Kings third jersey is pretty ugly too...

http://www.nhluniforms.com/1990s/Images/Kings5.gif

Man, I'd like to see a good video of that! Any chance he was catching Kurri's reflection off the glass?

Wow, that's a good possibility. I never thought of that. Certainly beats the standard explanation that he had eyes in the back of his head. :)

This is a great article on Gordie...

http://www.canada-heros.com/pics/howe003.jpg


Gordie Howe was once quoted as saying "Hockey is a man's game."

In the game of hockey, Gordie is the man.
Aldo Guidolin, an opponent of Howe back in the early days, understatedly remarked "Gordie plays a funny kind of game; he doesn't let anyone else touch the puck!" Hall of Famer Bill Gadsby claimed "He was not only the greatest hockey player I've ever seen, but also the greatest athlete."

The right winger was a giant in his time at 6'1" and 205 lbs. He had the build of a heavyweight boxing champion. And he knew how to fight.

Part of the legend of Gordie Howe is his unmatchable toughness. He had "windshield wiper elbows" and like to give "close shaves" to anyone who dared to challenge. Ask any hockey experts who they'd choose as the toughest NHLer ever, and most would put their money on Gordie Howe against anyone else.

Gordie had a nasty habit of never forgetting and always getting even. A fine example of this would have been an exchange with Maple Leaf defenseman Bob Baun. In 1957, Baun knocked Howe down with viscious intent. Howe had to be helped to the bench. 10 seasons later in 1967, Baun was playing for Oakland and was defending Howe on a one-on-one rush. Howe took a shot and the follow through of the stick caught Baun in the throat. Baun was down on the ice bleeding. Howe mercilessly stood over him and said "Now we're even."

A playoff game in March 1950 defines the essence of Gordie Howe. It happened in the opening round of the Stanley Cup playoffs against the Red Wings bitter rivals the Toronto Maple Leafs. The result almost ended his life, never mind his hockey career. Teeder Kennedy was carrying the puck when Gordie attempted to intercept him. A fraction of a second before impact, Kennedy pulled up, catapulting Gordie head first into the boards. He laid crumpled on the ice with a fractured skull. He was considered extremely lucky to survive such a blow and was told he'd never play hockey again. The next year he was the league's scoring
leader.

Gordie Howe not only outperformed everybody, but outlasted everybody. Gordie played from 1946 until 1980! In his last season he was a 52 year old grandfather playing with and against players the were old enough to be his son! Howe played 33 seasons in the pros. One with Omaha of the USHL, 26 in the NHL (25 with Detroit) and 6 with the
WHA.

While Wayne Gretzky has since dwarfed all of his statistical
achievements, Howe dominated the game over many different eras.

His credentials speak for him. He won the Hart Trophy as the NHL's most valuable player in 1952, 1953, 1957, 1958, 1960, and 1963. He led the NHL in scoring in 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1957 and 1963. He finished in the top 5 of NHL scoring in 20 consecutive seasons. He was a 21 time All-Star.

During the 1950s the standard argument was "Who's better? Howe or Maurice ("The Rocket") Richard. Upon The Rocket's retirement, Richard admitted Howe was the best. "Gordie could do everything" he said.

When it comes to who is the greatest player of all time, one of Howe's chief rivals is the Boston Bruins stand out Bobby Orr. Howe was already an NHL star when Bobby Orr was born in 1948, and was still in the big leagues when Orr retired in 1979! No skater can compare to Howe when it comes to the test of surviving time.

Gordie retired from the Detroit Red Wings in 1971 to take a front office job. But after two years of inactivity, Gordie made one of the most astonishing come backs in pro sport history. At the age 45, he signed with the Houston Aeros of the WHA where he was teammates with his two sons Mark and Marty. The Howes lead their team to the WHA title twice under his leadership.


In 1977 he and his boys joined the WHA's Hartford Whalers When the Whalers joined the NHL, Gordie made his triumphant return to the NHL at the age 51! He drew capacity crowds as the fans wanted to see the 50 year old grandfather play against the young stars like Bryan Trottier, Marcel Dionne and Wayne Gretzky. In the Whalers first year they made playoffs. Then Whalers president Howard Baldwin credited Howe, who scored 15 goals, with that feat.

Over a period of 32 years (combining NHL and WHA totals) Gordie Howe scored 1071 goals 1518 assists and 2589 points. Only Wayne Gretzky's career totals are better. Howe was a gifted power forward, an accomplished defensive player, a feared giant and the only player to have dominated three different eras - postwar NHL, the Golden Era of the 1960s and the Expansion Era.

Damn that was a good article on Gordie. Thanks for posting that dude!

Damn that was a good article on Gordie. Thanks for posting that dude!

You're welcome Sucka.:thumb:

Yankee, that was a great read too. Thanks man!!!

Ronnie Francis!!!

Idiot management should have never traded him from Hartford. Franchise was never the same after that.

What a great player Francis was/is. Is there a player in the NHL now with better vision of the entire ice surface?

I think Scott Gomez is the next great passer in the NHL. I hate the Devils, but I have much respect for the Elias, Gomez, Gionta line. Them boys put up big time numbers on a team that doesn't score very much. Then again if you have Marty in net you're only gonna need about two goals a night to win.

Ronnie Francis!!!

Idiot management should have never traded him from Hartford. Franchise was never the same after that.

Ron was good, I am sure he wasn't too sad he got traded though. He never would have won the cup if he didn't get traded the Penguins in 91' and 92'.

He almost won it again in 2002 with the Hurricanes too.

Gretzky only has one more goal than Gordie in total career goals if you count their WHA and NHL stats. Gretzky has 1,072 career goals, Gordie has 1,071!:eek:

Here is a quote from Gretzky when he broke his goal record just a few weeks before he retired.




Although called "The Great One," Gretzky still thinks that nickname should belong to Howe. "Gordie is one of the classiest people the game could ever have," Gretzky said. "I've always said he's the best player to ever play the game. He's my idol."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/nhl/news/1999/03/30/gretzky_folo/

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I love this photo with Stevie Y and Gordie, it looks recent too.

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Here are some awesome photos of Guy Lafleur! I was lucky to see him play live twice.

http://www.grandstandsports.com/images/2758.jpg

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Adam Oates was a great hockey player too.

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All this Detroit and Montreal stuff is clogging up the thread. Time to get my boys up in here!

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Dave "The Hammer" Schultz!!
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Ron Hextall
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Mark Howe
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Bill Barber
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Reggie Leach
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All this Detroit and Montreal stuff is clogging up the thread. Time to get my boys up in here!

LOL! Who started this thread anyway?:p You can post all the Flyer pictures you want, just don't post Leaf players okay?

Nice pictures by the way.

http://www.goaliesarchive.com/flyers/goalie/lindbergh.jpg

http://www.msu.edu/user/zieglerj/lindberg.jpg


Here is a Flyer for you Sucka. It is too bad Pelle died so young.

Pelle was the next great one. I'm more than sure that we could have one a cup with him. Such ashame. :(

Who was the goalie just before or maybe splitting playing time with Lindbergh - seems to me we used to watch the guy up in Maine (with the Mariners, a Flyers minor league team at the time) and then he got called up but didn't play as much as we'd like and then Lindbergh took over. At least as I recall things!

Howe, Gretzky and Lemieux! I have seen this photo autographed in a frame for about $1500 US!

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Gordie and Johhny Bower. :thumb:

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Those old all-star jerseys didn't look that cool imo. The only ones I loved were the ones in the early 90's. I own one with Roy 33 on the back.:cool:

Here is Gordie again

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Gordie and Frank Mahovolich. I met Frank when I was a kid, he wasn't that friendly I remember. He also played for Detroit and Montreal, so he wasn't too bad.;)

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Who was the goalie just before or maybe splitting playing time with Lindbergh - seems to me we used to watch the guy up in Maine (with the Mariners, a Flyers minor league team at the time) and then he got called up but didn't play as much as we'd like and then Lindbergh took over. At least as I recall things!

Here is a list of all of the Flyers goalies Billy....


http://www.goaliesarchive.com/flyers/

Thanks.

I think I'm thinking of Pete Peeters.

Two more hockey legends...

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SAKUUUU!!!!!

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Larry Robinson!

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The Richard brothers!

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Stevie Y

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Elmer Lach

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Jean Beliveau!

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Cujo

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Phil and Tony Esposito..

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I just watched Glen Hall play yesturday! LOL! It was a game from 1965 on ESPN Classic Canada. He played great in it, but Montreal still beat Chicago and won the cup.

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The Golden Jet!

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The Esposito brothers again.

Yzerman again

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Steve Yzerman

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#4 Bobby Orr. Everybody says Gretzky but you have to look at what Orr did given his position. He was a defenceman and he led the league in scoring for a couple seasons. He won the Art Ross trophy twice and he won the Norris trophy 8 consecutive times. for a defenceman that is amazing. He was also the defenceman that every defenceman after him was measured up against. Unfortunately, he had to retire early because of his injuries to his knees. So just because he was only in the league for 10 years that doesn't mean somebody is better.

Sure Gretzky is an amzing player and has done great things for the game, but Bobby Orr was the greatest. I know Gretzky fans here will type how many times he scored hat tricks and that he leads in all-time goals and all that. Which are all great accomplishments and deserve credit but Bobby did the equivalent to that during his era and he wasn't even a forward.

I'm also hearing a lot about Gordie Howe, while undoubtedly one of the greatest ever to play, nobody skated, played defense, shot the puck, handled the puck and played like Bobby Orr.

thats my opinion.

That's a damned good opinion too!

They say that the Flyers Defenseman Joni Pitkanen is the next Orr, but I don't buy that. I do think he'll be a great player, but in no way will he be the next Bobby Orr.

Gordie Howe is the best to me. Here is a great article on him that I just found...




And Howe!







In Detroit, the legend of humble Howe was known well by all: He never should have become known as Mr. Hockey with the Wings. He should have been a New Yorker. Should have died, too.



In 1942, at the age of 14, Howe attended a New York Rangers tryout in Winnipeg, Manitoba. He was homesick for Floral, Saskatchewan, a prairie town nine miles east of Saskatoon, where he lived a life of deprivation and poverty as one of nine children. He didn't play well at all. In a few brief whirls on the ice, he did nothing exceptional, and the Rangers blew a golden opportunity. They sent him back to Saskatchewan. Unsigned.



A year later, Wings scout Fred Pinckney invited Howe to a tryout in Windsor, and even bought him his first suit of clothes for the trip. Already 6-feet and nearly 200 pounds at age 15, Howe displayed his extraordinary skills. He was ambidextrous, and that caught the eye of coach and general manager Jack Adams. "Who's the big kid?" asked Adams, who didn't make the same mistake the Rangers did.



Impressed, Adams arranged for Howe to work out with a junior team in Galt, Ontario. As part of the deal, he promised him a Wings jacket. "I wanted that jacket so bad all the time I was in Galt," Howe said. "I remember that quite a few times I walked down to the railroad station by myself. I knew when the Red Wings' train would be coming through town, traveling to games. I'd just wait there for them. I figured that if they stopped for anything, I'd go aboard and see if I could ask Adams about my jacket. But the train never stopped. They went rolling through every time. I'd just walk back home."



In 1945, Howe was invited to training camp with the Wings, bunking in Olympia Stadium because of the wartime housing shortage. He amused himself by killing rats with his stick. After scoring two goals in an exhibition in Akron, Ohio, he signed his first contract to play for the Wings' farm club in Omaha, Neb. He scored 22 goals there. In '46, he made the big-league team for good -- and approached Adams about some unfinished business.



"Mr. Adams," he said, "it has been two years now, and I haven't got my jacket yet." Adams sent Howe, along with forwards Ted Lindsay and Marty Pavelich, to a sporting goods store downtown and told him to sign for it. "It was smooth, like satin on the outside, with leather sleeves and an alpaca lining," Howe said. "It had a big 'D' with 'Red Wings' written on it. It looked like the most beautiful jacket in the world."



Had an incident in 1950 turned out for the worse, Howe wouldn't have been able to enjoy his prized jacket for very long.



In the playoff opener at Olympia, the Wings trailed Toronto in the second period, 3-0. Howe charged toward Leafs captain Ted (Teeder) Kennedy but, as he lunged to hit him, Kennedy pulled up. Howe missed him and went hurtling headfirst into the boards, right in front of the Detroit bench. Paramedics placed him on a stretcher as the crowd watched in stunned silence, then rushed him to Harper Hospital. He had broken his nose, shattered his cheekbone and seriously scratched his right eye. And his brain was hemorrhaging. He was in critical condition. His mother was flown in.



At 1 a.m., neurosurgeon Fredric Shreiber saved Howe and a hockey town's hopes. He drilled an opening in Howe's skull and drained fluid to relieve pressure on his brain. Afterward, he put Howe in an oxygen tent. By morning, Howe's condition had improved. He pulled through, the only lingering effects of the operation being a facial tick, which earned him the nickname Blinky. As the story goes, while he lay on the hospital gurney, he even apologized to coach Tommy Ivan, who had replaced Adams in 1947, for not playing better.



Howe went on to complete a spectacular 26-season NHL career in which he played 1,767 games, scored 801 goals, tallied 1,850 points, won six scoring titles, and took home six Hart Trophies as the league MVP. He played in 23 All-Star Games from 1948 to '80, when he skated at age 52 with the Hartford Whalers, still strong, playing with sons Marty and Mark.



No stupid boards would get the best of him. Nothing and nobody ever did. Howe was harder than them all.



The best







In time, hockey would understand that Howe was above little things like head injuries. Like the Tigers' Ty Cobb, Howe was the best ever to play his sport. Period. As great as Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretzky were, neither matched Howe's combination of scoring, toughness, intimidation and longevity. Howe was neither artist nor innovator. He played raw hockey, old-time hockey, Detroit hockey, ripping wrist shots and exploding elbows like atom bombs. To him, a hat trick wasn't three goals. It was a goal, an assist and a fight.



Howe never needed the help of enforcers. He was his own policeman, one of the best in the game. He once skated past a heckler in the crowd and nicked the offender's nose with the blade of his stick, shutting him up. He often did much more than nick opponents when they dared challenge him. In '59, Howe engaged in perhaps his most famous fight.



The Rangers that year promoted defenseman Lou Fontinato as the toughest player in hockey. New York-based Look magazine even presented a six-page picture spread on him, showing him flexing his muscles and looking mean. Whenever the Rangers played the Wings, Fontinato was on the ice with Howe. "The idea was to distract me," Howe said. After a few altercations one night at Madison Square Garden, Howe got even.



"Red Kelly and Eddie Shack were in a fight behind our net, and I'm leaning on the net, watching it," Howe said. "Then I remembered a bit of advice from Lindsay: Always be aware of who's out on the ice with you. I took a peek and sure enough, there was Louie with his gloves off about 10 feet away and coming my way. I truly thought he was going to sucker-punch me. If he had, I'd have been over. I pretended I didn't see him, and when he swung, I just pulled my head aside and that honker of his was right there, and I drilled it. That first punch was what did it. It broke his nose a little bit."

A little bit? With one punch, Howe made a mess of Fontinato's face and further solidified his reputation as the league's only one-man team. Even rival Maurice (Rocket) Richard, whom Howe felled with one punch in his first visit to the Montreal Forum in '46, eventually admitted Howe's overall superiority. "Sincerely, I have never seen a greater hockey player -- I mean, a more complete player," Richard said. "Gordie Howe does everything and does it well." Chicago star Bobby Hull was just as blunt: "I wish I was half the player Gordie was."

http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/sydhowe2.jpg Sydney Howe (no relation to Gordie) is carried off the ice on the shoulders of his teammates after he scored a record 6 goals in one game Feb. 3, 1944.
The glorious Wings of old

By Vivian M. Baulch / The Detroit News
On April 14, 1955, Detroit Red Wings goalie Terry Sawchuk held off the Montreal Canadiens, playing without their star, Maurice (Rocket) Richard, who had been suspended earlier in the year for slugging a referee. The Wings won, 3-1.

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The victory brought the Stanley Cup to Detroit, but also was the beginning of a long championship drought that did not end until Saturday, June 7, 1997, when Steve Yzerman skated around the rink at Joe Louis Arena in Detroit holding that same cup aloft to the cheers of a deliriously happy capacity crowd.

That 1955 victory signaled the end of a winning tradition that had seemed like it might go on forever. The Wings had won the Stanley Cup in 1936, 1937, 1943, 1950, 1952, 1954, and 1955 with a collection of legendary players, most notably Gordie Howe.

Here are some of those early stars: http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/hay.jpg George Hay "ranked with the great forwards of the game, combining speed and poise, aggressiveness and finesse, with unsurpassed mechanical ability." George Hay



George Hay came to the Detroit Cougars hockey club from Chicago in 1927. Jack Adams had just started the team to play in the brand new Olympia Stadium built that same year. The Cougers became the Falcons in 1929 and the Red Wings in 1932. So Hay's Detroit jersey changed its name three times during those years.

When he retired from hockey in 1933, News sports writer Sam Green wrote: "He ranked with the great forwards of the game, combining speed and poise, aggressiveness and finesse, with unsurpassed mechanical ability."

Jack Adams said there was never a better left winger than Hay at his best. "I've seen a lot of good ones, but none who had more stuff than George. He was in a class with Aurial Joliat, Jack Walker, Bun Cook or Harvey Jackson. He could do everything, that fellow. Besides, he was one of the easiest players to handle I ever had -- always in condition, always on the job, always willing to play any position. He never got into any trouble on the ice and was rarely sent to the penalty box. We've often said in the dressing room that when Hay kicks against a decision, the referee should be run out of the league."
Ebbie Goodfellow



Ebbie Goodfellow joined the Cougers in 1929 and stayed with Detroit for 15 seasons. Olympia once published a hockey program dedicated to him: "One of the illustrious if not the most illustrious player ever to perform in the livery of the Detroit Club." http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/ebbie.jpg Ebbie Goodfellow was the first Red Wing to win the Hart Trophy for Most Valuable Player.

Originally a center, he became one of the league's top scorers. He won the Hart Trophy as Most Valuable Player in 1939 and 1940, the first Wing so honored.

A consistent scorer, he was shifted to defense by coach Jack Adams after he began to lose a little speed, a seemingly chancy move. Goodfellow became one of the best defensemen in the league and remained a high scorer as well. He led the Wings to the Stanley Cup in 1936 and 1937, when he was named an all-star defenseman.

Playing hockey back then didn't make the players rich. Goodfellow kept his day job as a tool and die salesman and coached the Wings at night in 1941 and '42.

He played a few games in 1943, ending his hockey career as a Wing. With 324 points in 556 regular games he was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1963. He died in 1985 at age 78.
Sydney Howe



Sydney Harris Howe, no relation to Gordie, joined the Wings in 1935, bought along with another player named Scotty Bowman (no relation to the game's winningest coach) for $50,000 in a deal that completely surprised Howe. Howe was one of the league's leading scorers for a decade. On Feb. 3, 1944, he scored a record 6 goals in one game. The next day The Detroit News detailed the goals, and the wildly happy crowd's antics. The large crowd of 12,293 -- which included 900 school patrol boys -- became more frenzied as the double hat trick became more inevitable. http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/sydhowe1.jpg Sid Howe, right, with Wings owner Jim Norris. Howe worked as a machinist at Ford by day and played center and left wing by night.

"The crowd groaned as Howe shot the puck over the net early in the third period but half a minute later Mud Bruneteau and Grosso set him up again. Howe feinted McAuley. As the latter lunged to the right, Howe flicked the puck right over McAuley into the net." A grinning Howe left the game on the shoulders of his teammates, to the ecstatic cheers of the spectators.

"They were going in the net tonight -- another night they don't," Howe said modestly. "I don't remember any goal in particular. The boys were feeding them to me nicely.

"No celebration for me," he added, "I'm due at work at 7:10 a.m."

Howe worked as a machinist at Ford by day. He played center and left wing by night.

In 1945 he became the greatest scorer of all time in the NHL with 558 points (232 goals, 282 assists). Never flashy, just doggedly durable, Howe one of the cleverest players ever to put on skates. A 1945 profile reads, "All in all, quite a hockey player this Mr. Howe. He might better be styled 'Wing of all Time' than to be called 'Wing of the Week'."

Marty Barry



Marty Barry joined the Wings in 1935 after six years with Boston. He played on a line with Larry Aurie and Herbie Lewis -- rated as one of the best lines ever. Nicknamed "Goal-a-game" Barry, he led the American Division in scoring in 1935-36, and was second overall. http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/barry.jpg Marty Barry was such a prolific scorer that he was known as "Goal-a-game Barry." He also was an avid golfer and was presented with a new set of clubs on "Marty Barry Night" at the Olympia in 1939. Jack Adams is at right.


While with Detroit he played in the longest NHL game on record March 24, 1936, a playoff game against the Montreal Maroons at the Forum in Montreal. The Wings won 1-0 on a goal scored by Mud Bruneteau at the 16-minute mark of the sixth overtime period. The game lasted 176 minutes, ending at 2:25 the next morning.

Barry once described another game he played in that went into a sixth overtime period. "That was a pippin. The rink seemed like it was miles long along about 10 minutes to 2 o'clock in the morning. Players of both teams were praying for somebody to score before we all fell from exhaustion."

He also played in 500 games over 10 years without missing one, which earned him the nickname the Iron Horse of major league hockey. He nearly missed a game when his wife suffered problems before their first baby was born. However, she recovered soon enough so that he could get to the game on time.

Detroit Times sportswriter Bob Murphy likened Barry to baseball player Charlie Gehringer. "Like the great Black Knight of the Tiger infield, Marty Berry possesses that faculty of mechanical perfection. He sweeps the ice with such smooth, rhythmic strides his play seems effortless. He is called hockey's greatest passer."

Barry died in 1969 at age 64.
http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/kelly1.jpg Red Kelly was considered one of the sport's most gentlemanly players, but occasionally his temper could match the color of his hair. Here he has just punched out Boston Bruin Leo LaBine. Leonard (Red) Kelly



Leonard (Red) Kelly's hair matched the team color. A Toronto native ignored by the Maple Leafs, he joined the Wings in 1947 and stayed more than 12 years. He could handle the puck with his skates better than most players could with the stick. He won the Lady Byng Trophy for being the most gentlemanly player four times, and was the first player to win the Norris Trophy for the league's best defenseman.

The Wings won eight league titles and four Stanley Cups during his stay here. His pro career lasted 20 years. A quiet man, never known to swear despite the occupational hazards, he later became a star forward with the Maple Leafs.

"I was finally where I'd always wanted to be ... When the people stood up and clapped and cheered me I felt so tight I nearly burst," he later recalled.

He led the Leafs to the playoffs and inspired a brooding young Frank Mahovlich to play better. His teams made the playoffs 19 times, an NHL record he shared with Gordie Howe. His lazy looking skating disguised his ability and he proved that fighting ability may not always be a winning requirement. He later served in the Canadian Parliament while still a Maple Leaf.
http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/abel2.jpg Sid Abel was the play-making center of the Wings' famed "Production Line" with Gordie Howe and Ted Lindsay.
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Sid Abel



Sidney Abel starred as the play-making center of the "Production Line" along with Gordie Howe and Ted Lindsay. Abel started his NHL career in 1938, and became part of the famous line when Red Wings Coach Jack Adams put the trio together in 1947.

"They could score goals in their sleep," Adams said. In the next season, Abel's best, he won the Hart Trophy as league MVP and also was named first-team All-Star. He skated with the Wings until 1951. In his 610 regular games he scored 189 goals, had 283 assists, with 28 goals and 30 assists in playoff games. The next year he became coach of the Chicago Blackhawks. In 1957 he rejoined the Wings as coach and later became general manager, remaining in that position until 1971.

http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/conacher.gif Charlie Conacher, who played with the Wings from 1938-40, had one of the hardest shots in the game.


Charlie Conacher



Charlie Conacher played two years for Detroit, from 1938-40. He came from the slums of Toronto where he played street hockey and developed the hardest shot in the game. Teammate King Clancy once complained after being hit on the rear end by one of Conacher's shots: "I couldn't sit down for a week."

Conacher's career with his hometown Maple Leafs made him the most famous of a hockey-playing family -- and it also made him rich. Injuries and a kidney cut his career short. He died in 1967 at age 58.
Marty Pavelich



"What a guy," coach Jack Adams said of Marty Pavelich, "he just makes you play him. He won't take no for an answer." http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/pavelich.jpg Marty Pavelich was one of coach Jack Adams' favorites.

"Pavelich the Madman, an old fashioned digger, buzzes until he runs out of gas," the News wrote in 1949. He "slams into the biggest, roughest foes in hockey, though only 5 feet 10, 160 pounds. A mediocre shooter and skater, he makes up the difference in effort and courage. He excels as a penalty killer in addition to his regular turn on the line."

In 1956 News sportswriter John Walter wrote that it was uncanny how Pavelich steals the puck. He quoted Pavelich, "Hockey players are creatures of habit, just like everybody else ... Seven out of 10 times they'll make the same play in coming out of their own end, or under certain circumstances. By studying them you can anticipate what they're going to do."

He also credited manager Jack Adams: "Jack imbues you with a spirit and desire not to be satisfied with average play... He wants you to give all the time. If you have a bad night he won't criticize you." Walter continued: "Pavelich has been successful in his 10 years with the Red Wings because of his intense determination, evident the moment he leaps on the ice to take up the pursuit of the puck ... Throughout his career he had been known as a relentless checker, one of the league's best penalty killers. His ability to disorganize the opposition's attack is such that it more than offsets his own ineptness as a scorer ... only 10 goals average per season."

Gordie Howe



Gordie Howe joined the Red Wings at age 18 in 1946. Howe transcended the sport so that even non-hockey fans knew him. He played hard and he was tough. But as a real artist at the game he aimed to win, not to amass numbers. He played with intelligence and ability, not emotion. The six-foot, 205-pound player personified durability. Not until Wayne Gretzky did any player appproach his records.

Howe played pro hockey for 32 years, 25 with the Wings. http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/gordie.jpg Gordie Howe (9) mixes it up with a couple of Toronto Maple Leafs in 1960. Howe played 25 seasons with the Wings and is generally recognized as one of the greatest ever to play the game.


Early in his career, March 28, 1950, in a game with Toronto he tried to check Ted Kennedy, who stepped aside. Howe crashed into the boards and suffered a severe head injury.

On the way into surgery he apologized to coach Jack Adams: "I'm sorry I couldn't help you more tonight." The trauma left him with a facial tic, causing him to blink his eyes and earning him the nickname Blinky. He often remarked to newsmen, "Old Blinky is flying tonight."

And he flew through six decades of play. After retirement from the NHL he joined the World Hockey Association's Houston franchise and got to play with his sons Mark and Marty.

After Houston folded in 1977, Howe went to the Hartford Whalers of the NFL and played three more seasons before retiring in 1980 at age 52. He played one more time, a cameo in October 1997, for the Detroit Vipers at age 69.

Even in his later years Howe could shoot, set up plays, act as a triggerman and kill penalties.

The great Canadian Maurice (Rocket) Richard said, "Howe is a better all-around player than I was." According to book "Who's Who of Sports Championships," "No one else, in any sport, ever performed at as high a level for as long a time as Gordie Howe." In 26 NHL seasons Howe played in 1,767 games, scored 801 goals, had 1,049 assists for 1,850 points. He also scored 174 goals in the World Hockey Association, with 344 assists in 419 games.

Ted Lindsay



Ted Lindsay, the third member of Detroit's Production Line, carried a big stick and wasn't afraid to use it. "Terrible Tempered Ted," a.k.a. "Scarface" (400 stitches, no records kept on teeth), despite being a fierce brawler, also was a skilled offensive player.

He joined the Wings in 1944 at age 19 and helped win eight league titles and four Stanley Cups. He played in nine All-Star games. After 13 years with the Wings he played three years with the Chicago Blackhawks and retired in 1960. At age 39, sick of retirement, he came back to the Wings and helped them to win their first league championship in eight years. He didn't come back for the money, he said, he just wanted to end his career in Detroit. http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/lindsay.jpg Ted Lindsay does a dance in front of the Toronto goal in 1964.


His one-year return may be one of the most remarkable in sports. His numbers are in the record books.

Ted Lindsay's life story, "Net Worth" aired on TV in 1995. In it his terribleness terrified not only opposition players but owners. While with the Wings, Lindsay tried to get more money for the players. "There were a lot of inequities, not for the star players but for the others," he said. "I was accused of trying to ruin hockey but hockey was, and still is, my life." As punishment for his rabble-rousing, GM Jack Adams banished Lindsay to Chicago.

Jack (Blackjack) Stewart



Jack Stewart, who played for the Wings in the 1930s and 1940s, perfected the art of body-checking. As for his nickname, he said "It's blackjack -- one word. I got the nickname when a player woke up in the dressing room and said, 'Who hit me with the blackjack?'" Players said that he seemed to be carrying a blackjack when he hit them at the blue line.

Detroit News columnist Joe Falls wrote, "It almost was impossible getting past him without paying a price. He had a way of putting his full body into a check, and the impact could be felt throughout the arena." http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/oldwings/stewart.jpg Jack Stewart got the nickname "Blackjack" for his body checking style. The Red Wings once sued a sportswriter for libel after he accused Stewart of intentionally hurting an opponent.

As the goaltenders' best friend he wouldn't let anyone get close to the net, forcing the opposition to shoot from a distance. He teamed with wild Jimmy Orlando to go after the forwards at center ice to cause mayhem. They made the Wings the most feared team in the league.

Originally a Manitoba farmer, he also worked hard on the ice at stopping the opposition. During his 10 years (1938-43, 1945-50) with the Wings he made five All-Star teams, and helped win two Stanley Cups. He made few bad passes and could skate quickly, but the fans wanted to see his crushing body checks. Despite his low scoring he became a charter member of the Wings Hall of Fame, and later the Hockey Hall of Fame.

The fans loved Blackjack because of his aggression on the ice. His teammates however, said that they rarely ever saw him angry except for a particularly rough New York game: "It was take a couple of strides with the puck and then charge one of the opposition," Sid Abel said.

"Did Stewart get angry? He got six penalties. He'd barely get out of the penalty box before they'd be blowing the whistle for another offense. I bet that referee turned in his resignation between the first and second periods. He hasn't refereed since."

Once a sports columnist accused Stewart of deliberately crippling the great Elmer Lach in the first game of a Stanley Cup series against with Montreal in Detroit in 1949.

The columnist wrote that Stewart "not only aimed and punched at Elmer's healing jaw but followed by deliberately cocking his elbow and smashing it full into the jaw. That did it -- Stewart's main assignment for the series had been achieved."

Red Wing lawyers sued for $250,000 for libel. "The club owes Stewart protection," said Jimmy Norris. "We want to do everything we can. This was the most vicious unjustified attack on a hockey player I ever have read. There isn't any truth in it whatever."

The Maple Leafs won the Stanley Cup anyway.

Traded to the Blackhawks in 1950, a back injury slowed his career but a fractured skull in a hockey collision finally ended it in the 1951-52 season.
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Goalie Terry Sawchuk joined the Wings in 1950 and was named rookie of the year after his first season. His strange "gorilla" crouch allowed him to "keep better track of the puck through the player's legs on screen shots" he said. He also played better heavier, getting more wins at 205 pounds than earlier when he weighed 165. His career lasted 21 years, mostly with Detroit. He suffered many injuries and nervous problems.

Detroit News columnist Jerry Green wrote of the great goalie after Sawchuk's No.1 jersey joined Howe's 9, Lindsay's 7 and Delvecchio's 10 in the rafters of Joe Louis Arena in 1994: "Back then Sawchuk faced the shooters without a mask, hanging tight in his crease, playing without relief over an entire season-long schedule unless cut to smithereens. Goalies were isolationists. Loners. Each team carried just one. The goalie would start every game, all 70."

Sawchuk played the most games in the NHL (971), won the most (435) and had the most shutouts (103).

Bud Lynch recalled "Marcel Pronovost was his roommate on the road. Pronovost would say 'Hello' in the morning in English and French. If Sawchuk said hello, Pronovost knew he would talk that day. If he didn't say hello, Pronovost knew Terry wouldn't say anything."

Joe Falls recalled that once during an interview a photographer came in to the room. Sawchuk stood up and screamed: "Get out of here you no good SOB." He threw his skates at him, just missing his face, as the photographer escaped. Then he calmly said, "Now, what were we talking about?"

Sawchuk died in 1970 after a bizarre fight with teammate Ron Stewart.
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Sawchuk played much of his career in the NHL without a mask. His jersey was retired and raised to the rafters of Joe Louis Arena in 1994.

Here is the current list of the greatest goal scorers of all-time.....





NHL All-Time Goal Scoring Leaders List

250 or More Goals Club

The following is a list of all the players in NHL history with 250 or more goals. In the event of a tie, games-played is shown in parenthesis, and the player with the least amount of games-played gains the advantage. Last updated 1/8/05.

1. Wayne Gretzky 894
2. Gordie Howe 801
3. Brett Hull 741
4. Marcel Dionne 731
5. Phil Esposito 717
6. Mike Gartner 708
7. Mark Messier 694
8. Mario Lemieux 683
9. Steve Yzerman 678
10. Luc Robitaille 653
11. Dave Andreychuk 634
12. Bobby Hull 610
13. Dino Ciccarelli 608
14. Jari Kurri 601
15. Mike Bossy 573
16. Guy Lafleur 560
17. Brendan Shanahan 558
18. John Bucyk 556
19. Ron Francis 549
20. Michel Goulet 548
21. Maurice Richard 544
22. Joe Sakic 542
23. Stan Mikita 541
24. Jaromir Jagr 537
25. Joe Nieuwendyk 533 (1177 games)
26. Frank Mahovlich 533 (1181 games)
27. Bryan Trottier 524
28. Pat Verbeek 522
29. Dale Hawerchuk 518
30. Gilbert Pereault 512
31. Jean Beliveau 507
32. Joe Mullen 502
33. Lanny MacDonald 500
34. Glenn Anderson 498
35. Pierre Turgeon 495
36. Jean Ratelle 491
37. Norm Ullman 490
38. Brian Bellows 485
39. Darryl Sittler 484
40. Peter Bondra 477
41. Jeremy Roenick 475 (1124 games)
42. Bernie Nicholls 475 (1127 games)
43. Denis Savard 473
44. Pat Lafontaine 468
45. Mats Sundin 465
46. Alexander Mogilny 461
47. Mike Modano 458
48. Mark Recchi 456 (1173 games)
49. Alex Delvecchio 456 (1550 games)
50. Theoren Fleury 455
51. Teemu Selanne 452
52. Peter Stastny 450 (977 games)
53. Doug Gilmour 450 (1474 games)
54. Rick Middleton 448
55. Rick Vaive 441 (876 games)
56. Steve Larmer 441 (1006 games)
57. Rick Tocchet 440
58. Pavel Bure 437
59. Vincent Damphousse 432
60. Keith Tkachuk 431 (856 games)
61. Sergei Fedorov 431 (988 games)
62. Dave Taylor 431 (1111 games)
63. Yvan Cournoyer 428
64. Brian Propp 425
65. Steve Shutt 424
66. Stephane Richer 421 (1054 games)
67. Steve Thomas 421 (1235 games)
68. Bill Barber 420
69. John MacLean 413
70. Garry Unger 413
71. Ray Bourque 410
72. Ray Ferraro 408
73. Rod Gilbert 406
74. John Ogrodnick 402
75. Gary Roberts 397
76. Dave Keon 396 (1286 games)
77. Paul Coffey 396 (1409 games)
78. Cam Neely 395 (726 games)
79. Pierre Larouche 395 (812 games)
80. Tomas Sandstrom 394
81. Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion 393
82. Tony Amonte 392
83. Jean Pronovost 391 (998 games)
84. Dean Prentice 391 (1378 games)
85. Rick Martin 384
86. John Leclair 382
87. Reggie Leach 381
88. Ted Lindsay 379 (1068 games)
89. Claude Lemieux 379 (1197 games)
90. Butch Goring 375
91. Rick Kehoe 371
92. Tim Kerr 370
93. Bernie Federko 369
94. Geoff Courtnall 367
95. Jacques Lemaire 366
96. Peter McNab 363 (954 games)
97. Brent Sutter 363 (1111 games)
98. Ivan Boldirev 361
99. Bobby Clarke 358 (1144 games)
100. Henri Richard 358 (1259 games)
101. Ray Sheppard 357 (817 games)
102. Bobby Smith 357 (1077 games)
103. Kirk Muller 357 (1349 games)
104. Eric Lindros 356 (678 games)
105. Dennis Maruk 356 (888 games)
106. Wilf Paiement 356 (946 games)
107. Mike Foligno 355 (1018 games)
108. Greg Adams 355 (1056 games)
109. Kevin Dineen 355 (1188 games)
110. Danny Gare 354
111. Rod Brind'Amour 351
112. Rick MacLeish 349 (846 games)
113. Owen Nolan 349 (915 games)
114. Andy Bathgate 349 (1069 games)
115. Trevor Linden 349 (1161 games)
116. Charlie Simmer 342 (712 games)
117. Ed Olczyk 342 (1031 games)
118. Adam Oates 341
119. Dave Christian 340 (1009 games)
120. Scott Mellanby 340 (1291 games)
121. Al MacInnis 340 (1416 games)
122. Phil Housley 338
123. Ron Ellis 332
124. Wendel Clark 330
125. Mike Bullard 329 (727 games)
126. Kevin Stevens 329 (874 games)
127. Adam Graves 329 (1152 games)
128. Ken Hodge 328
129. John Tonelli 325
130. Nels Stewart 324 (652 games)
131. Paul MacLean 324 (719 games)
132. Pit Martin 324 (1101 games)
133. Scott Young 324 (1102 games)
134. Vic Hadfield 323 (1002 games)
135. Dale Hunter 323 (1407 games)
136. Tony McKegney 320 (912 games)
137. Bob Carpenter 320 (1178 games)
138. Zigmund Palffy 318 (642 games)
139. Dave Gagner 318 (946 games)
140. Geoff Sanderson 316
141. Bill Guerin 315
142. Petr Klima 313 (786 games)
143. Don Lever 313 (1020 games)
144. Paul Kariya 311
145. Denis Potvin 310
146. Bob Nevin 307
147. Cliff Ronning 306
148. Brian Sutter 303 (779 games)
149. Dennis Hull 303 (959 games)
150. Petr Nedved 301 (889 games)
151. Ulf Dahlen 301 (966 games)
152. Russ Courtnall 297
153. George Armstrong 296
154. Alexei Kovalev 292 (849 games)
155. Mike Ridley 292 (866 games)
156. Tom Lysiak 292 (919 games)
157. Alexei Yashin 291
158. Markus Naslund 290
159. Neal Broten 289
160. Pete Mahovlich 288
161. Tony Tanti 287 (697 games)
162. Larry Murphy 287 (1615 games)
163. Rene Robert 284 (744 games)
164. Brent Ashton 284 (998 games)
165. Bill Goldsworthy 283 (771 games)
166. Dick Duff 283 (1030 games)
167. John Anderson 282
168. Bobby Holik 281 (1024 games)
169. Bob Pulford 281 (1079 games)
170. Red Kelly 281 (1316 games)
171. Camille Henry 279
172. Jim Pappin 278 (767 games)
173. Ralph Backstrom 278 (1032 games)
174. Wayne Cashman 277
175. Ron Stewart 276
176. Jimmy Carson 275
177. Ron Duguay 274 (864 games)
178. Murray Oliver 274 (1127 games)
179. Al Secord 273 (723 games)
180. Shayne Corson 273 (1156 games)
181. Bobby Schmautz 271
182. Howie Morenz 270 (550 games)
183. Aurel Joliat 270 (654 games)
184. Bobby Orr 270 (657 games)
185. Sylvain Turgeon 269 (669 games)
186. Martin Gelinas 269 (1052 games)
187. Glen Murray 268
188. Dan Quinn 266 (805 games)
189. Murray Craven 266 (1071 games)
190. Keith Primeau 265
191. Kent Nilsson 264 (553 games)
192. Ryan Walter 264 (1003 games)
193. Danny Grant 263
194. Stan Smyl 262
195. Dickie Moore 261 (719 games)
196. Derek King 261 (830 games)
197. Red Berenson 261 (987 games)
198. Donald Audette 260 (735 games)
199. Brian Mullen 260 (832 games)
200. Guy Carbonneau 260 (1318 games)
201. Miroslav Satan 259 (704 games)
202. Dmitri Khristich 259 (811 games)
203. Blaine Stoughton 258 (526 games)
204. Bill Mosienko 258 (710 games)
205. Mario Tremblay 258 (852 games)
206. Bob Bourne 258 (964 games)
207. Darcy Rota 256 (794 games)
208. Ken Linseman 256 (860 games)
209. Ross Lonsberry 256 (968 games)
210. Shawn McEachern 254 (883 games)
211. Claude Provost 254 (1005 games)
212. Anton Stastny 252 (650 games)
213. Ken Wharram 252 (766 games)
214. Vyacheslav Kozlov 252 (800 games)
215. Robert Reichel 252 (830 games)
216. Mel Bridgman 252 (977 games)
217. Craig Ramsay 252 (1070 games)
218. Mats Naslund 251
219. Jarome Iginla 250 (626 games)
220. Eric Nesterenko 250 (1219 games)

Here is the current list of the greatest goal scorers of all-time.....





NHL All-Time Goal Scoring Leaders List

250 or More Goals Club

The following is a list of all the players in NHL history with 250 or more goals. In the event of a tie, games-played is shown in parenthesis, and the player with the least amount of games-played gains the advantage. Last updated 1/8/05.


Uh, has there been a need to update it since the end of the 2003-2004 season?

Quite a few names on there I haven't heard in awhile.

Uh, has there been a need to update it since the end of the 2003-2004 season?

Quite a few names on there I haven't heard in awhile.

Yeah there is no need to update it in 2005 so far. I hope Brett Hull never beats Gordie or Wayne's goal scoring records. I don't think he is half the player that they were.


I am surprised Bobby Orr is so low on the list! It is sad that he had to retire so soon because of his bad knees.:(

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I am surprised Bobby Orr is so low on the list! It is sad that he had to retire so soon because of his bad knees.:(

I agree. :(

A class act and an amazing player.

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That's halarious, dude!

One of the smartest thing an athlete ever did was what Ray Bourque did when he went to the Avalanche. :D

SAKUUUU!!!!!

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Why this man doesn't have an award named after him, I'll never know. So much heart in that man it's immeasurable.

I've been watching my old fight tapes alot lately. I really miss hockey, and my boy STUUUUUUUUU!!!

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hockey fights:

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Grim Reaper vs The Sheriff
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Grim vs Worrell
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Grim vs Laraque
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Sucka, you and my ol' man would make the best of a couple of days watching fight tapes. He's got months worth in his collection! :)

Sucka, you and my ol' man would make the best of a couple of days watching fight tapes. He's got months worth in his collection! :)

Tell him I'll be over at 8. Fire up the VCR! :thumb:

I gotta post some pictures of Mario the magnificent!

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http://homepages.wwc.edu/student/nelsbro/Mario_Lemieux.jpg

http://www.skylinepictures.com/Pittsburgh_Mario_Lemieux_p106_large.jpg

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/2004_World_Cup/Images/04LemieuxMario01.JPG

http://particle.physics.ucdavis.edu/Graphics/Canada/Lemieux.jpeg

http://penguins-hockey.de/download/dirku_lemieux01_423x600.jpg

http://www.rpspecialt.com/ml3091.jpg