Could be the tour opener. Smaller place. Big payday.

LOL. Source?

Could be the tour opener. Smaller place. Big payday.

That would be cool, if you could back it up a bit. :bounce:

LOL. Source?


A friend in the business. Makes sense. Tool opened up their spring tour with two nights there as well. It is a brand new venue that holds a few thousand in the Palms hotel. The hotel pays HUGE. They're booked. I don't know the dates but I would assume they would open up at a smaller place, like Tool, and work out any kinks. Tix will probably be $200 minimum. Whether they actually show up and play is another story.

LOL. Source?

The "source" is from January 26, 2007. Talk about being on top of things: http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2007/Jan-26-Fri-2007/news/12210196.html :rolleyes:

A friend in the business. Makes sense. Tool opened up their spring tour with two nights there as well. It is a brand new venue that holds a few thousand in the Palms hotel. The hotel pays HUGE. They're booked. I don't know the dates but I would assume they would open up at a smaller place, like Tool, and work out any kinks. Tix will probably be $200 minimum. Whether they actually show up and play is another story.


I won't believe anything until I see it...let's hope it works out this time.:headbang:

The "source" is from January 26, 2007. Talk about being on top of things: http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2007/Jan-26-Fri-2007/news/12210196.html :rolleyes:


There you go. I would say that is confirmation. They were already close to booking there before. They are 100% booked right now. Start saving for a Vegas trip in September. :headbang:

A friend in the business. Makes sense. Tool opened up their spring tour with two nights there as well. It is a brand new venue that holds a few thousand in the Palms hotel. The hotel pays HUGE. They're booked. I don't know the dates but I would assume they would open up at a smaller place, like Tool, and work out any kinks. Tix will probably be $200 minimum. Whether they actually show up and play is another story.

Yes, I'm familiar with the Pearl. And yes, Maloof pays big bucks for exclusive gigs. And yes, this was the original rumored tour start date venue earlier this year as Chef mentioned.

Just seems a bit anti-climactic for Dave to return to a two thousand seat crowd even for a big fat Maloof brothers check. I'd hazard a guess Dave wants at a minimum a 20,000 strong ovation the first time he steps foot on a stage with Edward since '96.

That's if any of this pans out as more than rumor. It's July 6, and they're gonna start touring in September, and tickets aren't on sale yet?

There you go. I would say that is confirmation. They were already close to booking there before. They are 100% booked right now. Start saving for a Vegas trip in September. :headbang:

Uhh...all Google searches turn up speculation printed in January. How is that concievable as confirmation to a current rumour unless one makes a tremendous leap of faith? :wtf:

200 bucks a pop? For Wolfie's sake, I hope the beer bottles are plastic.

I guess no one will believe until tickets go on sale. It's happening.

I guess no one will believe until tickets go on sale. It's happening.


While that IS true...most people still won't believe it until they actually are on stage and playing!!

If this WERE to be true (let's say), I would without hesitation pay $200 to see this band in a 2000 seater in Las Vegas.

Yes, I'm familiar with the Pearl. And yes, Maloof pays big bucks for exclusive gigs. And yes, this was the original rumored tour start date venue earlier this year as Chef mentioned.

Just seems a bit anti-climactic for Dave to return to a two thousand seat crowd even for a big fat Maloof brothers check. I'd hazard a guess Dave wants at a minimum a 20,000 strong ovation the first time he steps foot on a stage with Edward since '96.

That's if any of this pans out as more than rumor. It's July 6, and they're gonna start touring in September, and tickets aren't on sale yet?

True, I don't know if the tour will start there but they are booked to play there. I just assumed they would want to smart in the smaller places before hitting the arenas.

...they are booked to play there.


What days?

What days?

That I don't know. Will ask. I was told by a friend who also told me about the Police reunion before it was announced that VH is booked for the Pearl for 2 nights.

We should get an annoucement in a couple of weeks or so for a fall tour. Tix will probably go on sale first week in August with a late September start. Tour through November in the US and based on the response, a probable return to amiptheatres in 2008. If we don't hear something more official by 8/1 or so, than blame the loon. When there is an annoucement, the Pearl in Vegas will on the list of dates. If I am wrong about this than I will come back and take my lashings. :thumb:

...If I am wrong about this than I will come back and take my lashings. :thumb:

Fair enough, and if indeed you are correct, I'll apologise for busting your chops. :thumb:

The cynicism need not be explained, as you are most certainly aware.

This is bizarre - i looked up the Pearl concert schedule to look for open dates and it lists September 9, 2007 as MTV Video Music Awards.

This couldn't be one of those "Lucy swiping the football as Charlie Brown goes asshole-over-tincups deja vu" momentos, could it?

:wtf:

My brother-in-law saw a show there earlier this year, and said the venue was incredible... but the tickets will be expensive that's for sure.

I heard that Maloof guy is the one that pays Paris Hilton $50,000 just to show her face at the Palms for 1 night...

It makes sense they whey they are supposedly booking it. After the fiasco in the spring, there is even more skepticism about Wolfie and whether or not Eddie will be able to stand up. Ed goes to rehab, comes back looking good and rather than waiting on it another year, book it right away for the fall for a quick swing through arenas in major markets, set the buzz, play some kick ass shows and set the skeptics and anyone who might stay away the first time straight. Based on how fast tix sell, they will also be able to determine what size place to book for the summer and if they're a stadium act as Dave says. The Police did this in a similar way. They booked arenas first but the demand was so high that they started adding on stadiums all over the place. In LA, they had a few nights booked at Staples first and ended up playing Dodgers and only one night at Staples based on the response for the initial onsales. Don't forget, Eddie was at the the Police opener in Vancouver. He's either a fan or wanted to see how they were handling the reunion.

This is bizarre - i looked up the Pearl concert schedule to look for open dates and it lists September 9, 2007 as MTV Video Music Awards.

This couldn't be one of those "Lucy swiping the football as Charlie Brown goes asshole-over-tincups deja vu" momentos, could it?

:wtf:

Then again, if fucking Tom Petty can get a video visionary (or whatever it was called :rolleyes: ) award, then surely Dave Roth deserves some sort of recognition for his work in the field. ;)

This is bizarre - i looked up the Pearl concert schedule to look for open dates and it lists September 9, 2007 as MTV Video Music Awards.

This couldn't be one of those "Lucy swiping the football as Charlie Brown goes asshole-over-tincups deja vu" momentos, could it?

:wtf:

forgot to add that tix for this are $3805 & $2205 (that's not a typo) :wtf:

source: www.coasttocoasttickets.com

Don't forget, Eddie was at the the Police opener in Vancouver.

I thought he only went to the Staples show????

I don't know about Staples but the Police did a fan club only show in Vancouver the night before the opener and multiple fan reviews said that EVH, REM and Eddie Vedder were in the small crowd. Maybe he liked the show enough to see it twice?

Gwen Stefani Opens The Pearl ...April 19

The Maloofs know how to work it.

One of biggest features of the recently expanded Palms Hotel and Casino is their live music venue they are calling “The Pearl.” Not a reference to the mysterious hatch in Lost, The Pearl is said to be - nay, hyped to be - one of the best places to experience live performances of music anywhere… ever.

From the photographs, The Pearl definitely looks like a great venue with some very unique, very special features. There are old school theater boxes all around the upper deck above the lower crowd’s main seating area. I’m assuming they will be providing bottle service, et cetera, to VIP’s willing to shell out the coin for those seats - it would be like the modern rock show equivalent of having a server pouring champagne for you and your friends at the opera in Paris.

Not only is The Pearl looking really special in its design, the opening act this Saturday April 21st is, well, very special… Superbowl Half-Time Show special: Gwen Stefani. Now, for whatever extraordinary features this new theater is sporting, it has another less remarkable one - size. It’s just not that big at all. It’s not like Las Vegas has an overabundance of supersized concert halls - we perpetually have to compete with tourists for tickets when artists we want to see come to town - but that’s just how the Maloofs roll. They’re opening this smallish concert venue with Gwen Stefani performing. That’s like the hotel-casino version of a rich kid booking Van Halen to play his birthday party back in the 80’s. Ya gotta respect that!

In addition to the concert, there’s a full-on cadre of celebrities confirmed to be in attendance for the opening, complete with the red carpet treatment and paparazzi en masse, including yours truly, While Las Vegas Sleeps… We’ll try and get some good photos for the blog by Sunday morning for you.

Well playing small venues does make sense. Jim Koplik from Live Nation was just on the radio talking about how The Smashing Pumkins are playing smaller venues right now and a lot of other bands who haven't toured in years also will do so even if they can sell a bigger arena. One reason being they can sell out a smaller venue faster therefore creating a buzz about the band and when they plan a second leg of the tour they can hit the same cities with the hopes of selling out again. Than again who the hell knows. Atleast it's better than a month ago when there weren't even rumors of a tour or reunion and nothing new to talk about.
Vegas would be an excellent place to kick off the tour and create some more hipe.

It would be neat if VH opened and closed the tour near Pasadena. Is the Rose Bowl free in September?

LOL. Source?

your mamas ass

Yes, I'm familiar with the Pearl. And yes, Maloof pays big bucks for exclusive gigs. And yes, this was the original rumored tour start date venue earlier this year as Chef mentioned.

Just seems a bit anti-climactic for Dave to return to a two thousand seat crowd even for a big fat Maloof brothers check. I'd hazard a guess Dave wants at a minimum a 20,000 strong ovation the first time he steps foot on a stage with Edward since '96.

That's if any of this pans out as more than rumor. It's July 6, and they're gonna start touring in September, and tickets aren't on sale yet?

van halen is not touring in 2007.

van halen is not touring in 2007.

Hi.

van halen is not touring in 2007.

Oh, hey! How's it going, crawdaddy!

Got any scheduled dates for us? Again? :)

van halen is not touring in 2007.

that's not true - i got my tickets to the 2 shows next week. I can't wait.

Remember? thank god you told me about these dates. Can't believe they didn't get any press.


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that's not true - i got my tickets to the 2 shows next week. I can't wait.

Remember? thank god you told me about these dates. Can't believe they didn't get any press.


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:funny:

Oh, he's THAT guy! Now I remember....

When you see this first reputable tour announcement thread it really does hit home that this tour will happen, and as much as these shows are going to be fun to see this fall you've got to really feel sorry for Mike.

You figure Mike has played in every Van Halen show since day one, and when this show in Vegas opens the tour in September, it will be the very first Van Halen show in history that Mike has not played in. For the first time in his life, Mike will be sitting at home thinking, holy shit, Van Halen is playing tonight and I'm not there... sad stuff indeed.

I guess it's just too bad Mike and Eddie can't work out their differences.

I guess it's just too bad Mike and Eddie can't work out their differences.

I think the only differences they have is that Mike is cool and Ed's a prick.

Respectfully, NND...I think it's too bad that every thread has to dissolve into a No Mike = No VH argument.

But, what do I know...it only took 22 years of constant bitching to get Dave back.

I think the only differences they have is that Mike is cool and Ed's a prick.

Aww, come on...Sucka already closed one "tour-related" thread today...:D

I think the only differences they have is that Mike is cool and Ed's a prick.

I think both of them are to blame to a certain degree... Eddie more than Mike, but I'm sure Mike has done things that really hurt Eddie emotionally. We don't know either guys exact story, so it's not really possible to speculate on what happened.

Maybe things will work out in time... I'm sure both guys will find a way to talk it out at some stage. Someone even said Eddie called Mike right after he got through with Rehab... could be bullshit though....

Why does't Brett just create a new forum called Ed vs.Mike? I am hating that every thread gets hijacked by this dicussion.

I miss the Sam vs Dave days:(

Aww, come on...Sucka already closed one "tour-related" thread today...:D

Tour? What tour?

Why does't Brett just create a new forum called Ed vs.Mike? I am hating that every thread gets hijacked by this dicussion.


http://www.vhlinks.com/vbforums/mikes-gone-but-not-forgotten-f39.html ;)

Why the hell doesn't VH just hire Mr. Hasselhoff for their singer and be done with it!!!????!??!???

http://agodamongmen.com/images/hasselhoff.jpg

haha... j/k

Horseradish ?

Why the hell doesn't VH just hire Mr. Hasselhoff for their singer and be done with it!!!????!??!???

http://agodamongmen.com/images/hasselhoff.jpg

haha... j/k

What's with this "man-love" of your's for "the Hoff"? That's at least the second time you've mentioned this. In fact, 3 of your last 4 posts mention the guy. :eek:

Wasn't funny this time either. :wtf:

Its getting Hoff in here.....

... because we're all in love with the hoff!!

(nah, i just think back when i heard someone mention him for a possible 3rd back in 1996-era and i've never forgotten it... just impossible to imagine)

I miss the Sam vs Dave days:(


Same here. I say we start that argument up again. It's a classic, that's for sure. I'll go first:

When Sammy Hagar joined the band, he made Van Halen BETTER. He gave them more credibility as musicians. See, the difference between Sam and Dave is: Dave is a showman. Sammy is a musician.

There we go, that was a good start I think. Who's next? :smokin:

This is going to get ugly real fast.

Same here. I say we start that argument up again. It's a classic, that's for sure. I'll go first:

When Sammy Hagar joined the band, he made Van Halen BETTER. He gave them more credibility as musicians. See, the difference between Sam and Dave is: Dave is a showman. Sammy is a musician.

There we go, that was a good start I think. Who's next? :smokin:

I agree... I think the band was more mature with Sammy... I definitely think they'll be better as a band with Sammy now, but with Dave, if he acts the same with all his embarrassing shenanagins (spelling), they'll humiliate themselves more than anything...

When Sammy Hagar joined the band, he made Van Halen SUCK. He gave them less credibility as rockers. See, the difference between Sam and Dave is: Dave is the voice of Van Halen. Sammy is Ronald McDonald with a bottle of Cabo Wabo for all the little kids to enjoy at his concerts.

There we go, that was a good start I think. Who's next? :smokin:

I agree.

Same here. I say we start that argument up again. It's a classic, that's for sure. I'll go first:

When Sammy Hagar joined the band, he made Van Halen BETTER. He gave them more credibility as musicians. See, the difference between Sam and Dave is: Dave is a showman. Sammy is a musician.

There we go, that was a good start I think. Who's next? :smokin:

:funny: outstanding :thumb:

...and that's EXACTLY why my SIG is 'SIGWORTHY...LOL! ;)

van halen is not touring in 2007.

bullshit! just got a call from my ticket guy who has an in with the promoter. vh in toronto probably december 14. will be playing vancouver, edmonton, saskatoon, haven't heard montreal yet.

Why does't Brett just create a new forum called Ed vs.Mike? I am hating that every thread gets hijacked by this dicussion.



He (sort of) did, It's called "Mike's Gone,but not forgotten", but the forum IS!:sssh: since nobody rarely post's there, why not hijack every thread that people DO read?? (again,:sssh: )

Same here. I say we start that argument up again. It's a classic, that's for sure. I'll go first:

When Sammy Hagar joined the band, he made Van Halen BETTER. He gave them more credibility as musicians. See, the difference between Sam and Dave is: Dave is a showman. Sammy is a musician.

There we go, that was a good start I think. Who's next? :smokin:

Ed + Al + Mike + Dave - Dave + Sam - Sam + Dave (+ Mitch - Mitch) - Dave + Gary - Gary + Sam - Mike + Wolfie - Sam + Dave = VH

This is going to get ugly real fast.

O.k. the I guess I'll close this one down too.:D

WTF!:wtf: Dammit Brett, when are going to let me let do those things?!:D

So maybe VH is going to make a surprise visit to the MTV Awards. ;) It would be a great way to kick off their tour playing in front of kids that don't know them or their songs.

Maybe the Country Music Awards could follow suit by kicking off their show with a Ronnie Milsap and Juice Newton Duet.

All this talk about the tour and if and when it begins although nothing confirmed or denied by management or whoever is running the show for the band. However I still remember about a month ago, venom thrust who seems to have the inside to info mentioned that conversation between Eddie and Mike and how well that went. If that's the case then wouldn't it mean Mike may potentially be back for this tour? I know he's doing the gigs with Sam but when this thing gets "confirmed" and Ed and Mike are okay with each other, why wouldn't we get a real reunion? :brickwall

Never say never with this band and if they want any sort of redemption from all this (I'm sure Ed could give a rats ass :rolleyes: ) then it's all for one and one for all or I repeat, just another cash grab!

Well, it'll be a "nostalgic" cash grab regardless, unless there's new music.

I'd like to see a post in the next few days that confirms anything between Mike and Ed if venom thrust has any such information.

You there dude?


My guess this time out to the mind game/puzzle that VH puts it's fans through each time out during a possible reunion only to take a nose dive is to fish everyone in on believing it's Wolfie on tour and then BANG, announce Mike is back in! Therefore sparking more interest so it seems through the media and hoping for publicity with billboard or rollingstone, and therefore creating a buzz for tickets and skyrocket ticket prices! I'm sure the ticket prices will be outrageous with Wolfie in but even more of substantial pay day with Mike in!

All this talk about the tour and if and when it begins although nothing confirmed or denied by management or whoever is running the show for the band. However I still remember about a month ago, venom thrust who seems to have the inside to info mentioned that conversation between Eddie and Mike and how well that went. If that's the case then wouldn't it mean Mike may potentially be back for this tour? I know he's doing the gigs with Sam but when this thing gets "confirmed" and Ed and Mike are okay with each other, why wouldn't we get a real reunion? :brickwall

Never say never with this band and if they want any sort of redemption from all this (I'm sure Ed could give a rats ass :rolleyes: ) then it's all for one and one for all or I repeat, just another cash grab!

Well, it'll be a "nostalgic" cash grab regardless, unless there's new music.

I'd like to see a post in the next few days that confirms anything between Mike and Ed if venom thrust has any such information.

You there dude?
tour is on with wolfie!!!!!!!

Well, it'll be a "nostalgic" cash grab regardless, unless there's new music.



With all-do respect BV, just like The Police and Genesis are doing this year??

More info to come next week. Venues and ticket sales within 2 weeks.

Sweet, thanks VT

More info to come next week. Venues and ticket sales within 2 weeks.

No offense, but is this from the same source(s) that told you there was nothing in the works for 2007? Or that there had been positive talks between Ed and Mike?

More info to come next week. Venues and ticket sales within 2 weeks.

Hey,

So it's "confirmed" 100% with the kid on bass?

And both The Police and Genesis on doing the cash grab but I also made the point of hoping VH puts out new material or else yes, they all fit into the same category unfortunately.

Although the tunes with Dave haven't been played as a band for about 23 years! The Police jammed at Sting's wedding & the HOF :smokin: and it hasn't been long enough for Genesis to be forgotten. :D

Okay, given the fact that the tour might start in Las Vegas...
Who here at The Links is going to go to that show to give us a report?

Any LA guys going to make the trip over?

No offense, but is this from the same source(s) that told you there was nothing in the works for 2007? Or that there had been positive talks between Ed and Mike?

Mike and Ed had a friendly phone conversation after Ed's rehab. The '07 fall tour is something that became reality in just the past couple of weeks. Ed himself had NO clue what was going to happen as of three weeks ago.

Mike and Ed had a friendly phone conversation after Ed's rehab. The '07 fall tour is something that became reality in just the past couple of weeks. Ed himself had NO clue what was going to happen as of three weeks ago.

Ed had no clue? I'm sure he's made some sort of decision whether he wants his son part of this or not. He certainly had that notion before he went into rehab and told Howard Stern he wanted his son in the band.

If there was indeed good communication between Eddie and Mike, why wouldn't Ed want Mike a part of this thing if he's allowing himself to get on stage with Dave after all these years?

Makes no sense.

Mike and Ed had a friendly phone conversation after Ed's rehab. The '07 fall tour is something that became reality in just the past couple of weeks. Ed himself had NO clue what was going to happen as of three weeks ago.

Thanks, venom thrust. :thumb:

Any news on whether EVH will release the CVH 2000 tunes? That would be a great Christmas gift.

Ed had no clue? I'm sure he's made some sort of decision whether he wants his son part of this or not. He certainly had that notion before he went into rehab and told Howard Stern he wanted his son in the band.

If there was indeed good communication between Eddie and Mike, why wouldn't Ed want Mike a part of this thing if he's allowing himself to get on stage with Dave after all these years?

Makes no sense.

With EVH, nothing will ever be logical or make sense.

2 weeks would put us at july 20th...

hold yer breath

Kick fucking ass man!!!!

Van Halen is really moving forward now.

Mike and Ed had a friendly phone conversation after Ed's rehab. The '07 fall tour is something that became reality in just the past couple of weeks. Ed himself had NO clue what was going to happen as of three weeks ago.

So Ed had no clue, hmmmm........now there's a comforting thought:rolleyes:

While that IS true...most people still won't believe it until they actually are on stage and playing!!

And in all seriousness, why would we? This band fucked us over and over and over and over and over. Retire or play. Shit or get off the pot.

i hope tickets go on sale on the 28th of july, and not the 21st

Throwing an idea out from left field. When was the latest Sammy tour announced with Mike's participation? Was that maybe around 3 weeks ago? Maybe with Mike signing on and somewhat backed in a corner, gives Ed some leverage with Wolfgang for this tour? He can go "well Mike already had plans so we went with Wolfgang."

Just a thought on how he had no idea he was touring three weeks ago.

Who knows maybe Mike was asked by Eddie to go on this tour. Mike had conflicting thoughts and was told to think about it since he had Sammy's tour. In the end he went with Sammy so Ed went with Wolfgang.

I am glad that VT went on record again about the conversation. I can't imagine that their relationship is worse than what it was before rehab.

also possible that mike knows how much ed wants to play with his kid and backed down so wolf could have a shot..who knows

I am glad that VT went on record again about the conversation. I can't imagine that their relationship is worse than what it was before rehab.

Don't any of you think that maybe, just maybe, Ed called Mike after he got out of rehab to thank him for the public support Mike showed him during the hall of fame speech. That's what I think would be the most likely reason to place the call.

This is going to get ugly real fast.

Only if there is HorseRadish or Vegemite involved.............

Don't any of you think that maybe, just maybe, Ed called Mike after he got out of rehab to thank him for the public support Mike showed him during the hall of fame speech. That's what I think would be the most likely reason to place the call.

That's correct!

So Ed had no clue, hmmmm........now there's a comforting thought:rolleyes:

ED said 3 weeks ago that...''Dave could freak out and pull out'' something to that effect.

ED said 3 weeks ago that...''Dave could freak out and pull out'' something to that effect.

now that's reassuring :rolleyes:

wtf is his problem now?

ED said 3 weeks ago that...''Dave could freak out and pull out'' something to that effect.

mmmmok.....that makes me feel soooo much better.....:rolleyes:

sounds to me like this whole shebang is still on pretty shakey ground....:brickwall

Anyway you look at this now, Van Halen have the worst track record of announcing anything and certainly misleading their fans! :drunk:

Can they possibly get it right for once? :wtf:

We already know they have the worst PR for a rock band! They are probably the only rock and roll band in history that can't put together a reunion if all intentions are to do that! :barf:

We know how long it's taken The Police or Genesis or whatever musical outfit to announce a reunion to the media and I don't mean the length of time, years, they have not played as a band. These bands and others have either put the game plan into place and have not retracted what they have set out to do, tour and do it the right way! It may be a money grab but at least they're touring as a unit that made a name for themselves, as original members! Two of the biggest bands of the 80's (The Police & Genesis) are touring as a complete band, no substitutes! ;)

Eddie and Alex (since he always seems to be left out of the conversation when it involves the decision making) finally decide to our with Dave after 23 years but having the bass player that's been there from day one doesn't make sense in 2007! :brickwall

So much for a supposed civil phone conversation! :rolleyes:

VT - Any news on new tunes?... (*crossing fingers*)

Ed himself had NO clue what was going to happen as of three weeks ago.


yet he said dave could freak out??

i'm confused bro :)

lol

Throwing an idea out from left field. When was the latest Sammy tour announced with Mike's participation? Was that maybe around 3 weeks ago? Maybe with Mike signing on and somewhat backed in a corner, gives Ed some leverage with Wolfgang for this tour? He can go "well Mike already had plans so we went with Wolfgang."

Just a thought on how he had no idea he was touring three weeks ago.

Who knows maybe Mike was asked by Eddie to go on this tour. Mike had conflicting thoughts and was told to think about it since he had Sammy's tour. In the end he went with Sammy so Ed went with Wolfgang.

I am glad that VT went on record again about the conversation. I can't imagine that their relationship is worse than what it was before rehab.

sammy would not let mike step back from such a reunion. dont think this would be the issue if mike does not play with van halen

Rumour .. Rumour.. Rumour ........ Its getting old! :barf:

Anyway you look at this now, Van Halen have the worst track record of announcing anything and certainly misleading their fans! :drunk:

Can they possibly get it right for once? :wtf:

We already know they have the worst PR for a rock band! They are probably the only rock and roll band in history that can't put together a reunion if all intentions are to do that! :barf:

We know how long it's taken The Police or Genesis or whatever musical outfit to announce a reunion to the media and I don't mean the length of time, years, they have not played as a band. These bands and others have either put the game plan into place and have not retracted what they have set out to do, tour and do it the right way! It may be a money grab but at least they're touring as a unit that made a name for themselves, as original members! Two of the biggest bands of the 80's (The Police & Genesis) are touring as a complete band, no substitutes! ;)

Eddie and Alex (since he always seems to be left out of the conversation when it involves the decision making) finally decide to our with Dave after 23 years but having the bass player that's been there from day one doesn't make sense in 2007! :brickwall

So much for a supposed civil phone conversation! :rolleyes:

um, Genesis?........no substitutes?


Peter Gabriel ring a bell?

now that's reassuring :rolleyes:

wtf is his problem now?

I think Ed was just saying until it all comes together anything could happen. Looks like it all came together.

VT - Any news on new tunes?... (*crossing fingers*)

I did let Janie know in a e-mail that all th VH fan's would love for Eddie to release the music they did with Roth from the 2000 sessions. I just wonder if Rhino Record's will bring back the ''Best of ''78 to ''84.

200 bucks a pop? For Wolfie's sake, I hope the beer bottles are plastic.

ouch.

I did let Janie know in a e-mail that all th VH fan's would love for Eddie to release the music they did with Roth from the 2000 sessions. I just wonder if Rhino Record's will bring back the ''Best of ''78 to ''84.

:thumb:

that's not true - i got my tickets to the 2 shows next week. I can't wait.

Remember? thank god you told me about these dates. Can't believe they didn't get any press.


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that is bloody brilliant...i've cancelled my plans for the 14th and 15th and plan to be at Molson Amphitheatre...too bad i'll be the only one there.

I did let Janie know in a e-mail that all th VH fan's would love for Eddie to release the music they did with Roth from the 2000 sessions. I just wonder if Rhino Record's will bring back the ''Best of ''78 to ''84.

What's with the obsession with releasing another Best Of album? We all have the tunes from 1978 to 1984 anyways. Nothing spectacular about a third greatest hits CD.

The CVH 2000 tunes, throw in a couple of CVH live tunes and other rare recordings on top of that, would be superb.

Please come to my area AFTER September 11th, thats when I get back from 10 days in Maui.:thumb:

um, Genesis?........no substitutes?


Peter Gabriel ring a bell?


I was waiting for someone to chime in on that!

Peter actually said he might join the tour at some point, is commited to other projects, but you never know. :sssh:

Genesis w/ Phil were successful and they are touring as Genesis.

I was waiting for someone to chime in on that!

Peter actually said he might join the tour at some point, is commited to other projects, but you never know. :sssh:

Genesis w/ Phil were successful and they are touring as Genesis.

Van Halen w/ DLR were successful and they are touring as Van Halen.

Van Halen w/ DLR were successful and they are touring as Van Halen.

It's not a reunion if Wolfgang is included though. ;)

What's with the obsession with releasing another Best Of album? We all have the tunes from 1978 to 1984 anyways. Nothing spectacular about a third greatest hits CD.

The CVH 2000 tunes, throw in a couple of CVH live tunes and other rare recordings on top of that, would be superb.

It's just a chance for Rhino to cash in on a tour... something that I doubt any of us around here would buy.

But yes... the 2000 studio songs, rare gems, Oakland 1981 DVD, "Eat Thy Neighbor"... whatever, just give us something new!!!

It's not a reunion if Wolfgang is included though. ;)

Who said its a reunion?
Some of us and the press are, the band isn't calling it a reunion. they are calling it Van Halen.

Its 3/4 of Van Halen playing the music of Van Halen. Much like it was in 1998 and some think since 1986.
Much like its 3/4 of Genesis playing the music of Genesis. Granted probably most if not all of what they are playing is the shit they did with Phil on vocals.

It's just a chance for Rhino to cash in on a tour... something that I doubt any of us around here would buy.

But yes... the 2000 studio songs, rare gems, Oakland 1981 DVD, "Eat Thy Neighbor"... whatever, just give us something new!!!

Exactly! Something NEW to us. Old and unreleased tunes is considered NEW.

Come on EVH, give us a break!

Who said its a reunion?
Some of us and the press are, the band isn't calling it a reunion. they are calling it Van Halen.

Its 3/4 of Van Halen playing the music of Van Halen. Much like it was in 1998 and some think since 1986.
Much like its 3/4 of Genesis playing the music of Genesis. Granted probably most if not all of what they are playing is the shit they did with Phil on vocals.



My point is, Van Halen have never recorded with Wolfgang unlike Collins, Rutherford and Banks who have recorded music as a unit, who can call it a reunion!

Genesis had their highest selling release with Phil (a great drummer!) when they released "Invisible Touch", an excellent cd!

The three could essentially call themselves Genesis and tour reunited, Big difference! ;)

It's not a reunion if Wolfgang is included though. ;)

I'm not going to go there! :smokin:

I believe we can still call this a reunion...they haven't toured with DLR since '84...if that's not a reunion i dunno what is...a couple new tunes would be nice too!

I'm not going to go there! :smokin:

Don't get me wrong dude, I love the idea of Dave and Eddie sharing the same stage together playing the classics! Having seen Dave countless times playing the classic tunes with his DLR Band, nothing compares to Dave having the appropriate guitarist by his side and Ed the right singer for the classics. Of course the mighty Al on the kit but Wolfgang to complete this unit for a "CVH" tour? Oh well.

Doesn't seem right without Mike, but having one of the best combo’s in rock and roll history with Dave and Ed together again after 23 years, I'm cool with that!

If Mike isn't involved it wouldn't be right especially if they cue this up as a "reunion" if and when any of the members speak on behalf of the tour that's forthcoming.

As I've said all along and repeated over and over, if they release new music with Dave and Wolfie? I'd much rather they tour this way then tour playing just the classics with Wolf on the bass!

However, Van Halen have never made it easy on the fans and I'll take what I can get to see Dave and Eddie together again, but it won't be closure to me as the original band I had hoped to see!

My point is, Van Halen have never recorded with Wolfgang unlike Collins, Rutherford and Banks who have recorded music as a unit, who can call it a reunion!

Genesis had their highest selling release with Phil (a great drummer!) when they released "Invisible Touch", an excellent cd!

The three could essentially call themselves Genesis and tour reunited, Big difference! ;)

I think Wolfgang HAS recorded with them, go to www.evhgear.com and listen to pieces of some re-worked CVH era music.:D:thumb:

so wolf is excited to play now? few months back he was glad he didn't do it

i just hope the kid wants to do it and isn't being forced to do it to an extent

I think Wolfgang HAS recorded with them, go to www.evhgear.com and listen to pieces of some re-worked CVH era music.:D:thumb:

Holy crap! When did they put those on there? First I've heard it.....new recorded clips of RWTD, Unchained, Hot For Teacher, and Romeo Delight! I WANNA HEAR THE WHOLE THING!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong dude, I love the idea of Dave and Eddie sharing the same stage together playing the classics! Having seen Dave countless times playing the classic tunes with his DLR Band, nothing compares to Dave having the appropriate guitarist by his side and Ed the right singer for the classics. Of course the mighty Al on the kit but Wolfgang to complete this unit for a "CVH" tour? Oh well.

Doesn't seem right without Mike, but having one of the best combo’s in rock and roll history with Dave and Ed together again after 23 years, I'm cool with that!

If Mike isn't involved it wouldn't be right especially if they cue this up as a "reunion" if and when any of the members speak on behalf of the tour that's forthcoming.

As I've said all along and repeated over and over, if they release new music with Dave and Wolfie? I'd much rather they tour this way then tour playing just the classics with Wolf on the bass!

However, Van Halen have never made it easy on the fans and I'll take what I can get to see Dave and Eddie together again, but it won't be closure to me as the original band I had hoped to see!

As far as "reunion" talk.....I will go only as far as saying that this tour would be a reunion of DLR and Eddie....nothing more.

For better or for worse, that is enough for me.....There are more than a few folks on this site that have seen CVH in it's hey-day and have stated that they will not see this tour......for valid reasons in my mind, a been-there-done-that thing....or because they have been waiting for a "true" reunion.....to each his own....

Me?.....I'm seeking closure....I really feel that this is the last time that any of us will have the opportunity to see or hear anything with the brand name "Van Halen"......I don't think that Eddie will be able to record anything with DLR....or vice-versa.....I'm not even convinced that Ed has beaten his demons long enough to ever be able to record an albums worth of material with any singer, let alone Diamond Dave......No.....VH is no longer a working band and they probably never will be again.....

I have seen Van Halen with Roth many times.....and I need to see at least one more time......The begining....and the end....full circle.....

The Eddie Van Halen Saga........in three acts.....The Rise.....The Fall....The Redemption.....

Kinda strange and a bit sad to see what was once a likely major arena tour has slowly but surely been apparently whittled down to some hastily thrown together affair likely playing the same size venues the Poison/Ratt tour is playing.

I just don't see the band going from playing large theaters on a quick 2 month tour at the end of '07 to moving up to arenas and a expanded tour in '08 as what was suggested earlier in this thread. It's a bizarre strategy if it's truly the plan, especially with no new music in the pipeline. I'm really curious if Live Nation is still involved at all in the tour or if the band is booking through local promoters.

The upside I suppose is that opens them up to play a place like The Wiltern Theater here in LA which is an outstanding place to see any band (Seeing Chris Cornell there next week).

T.B.

What really floors me is this. This conversation is going on as if there will be a tour. There has been NO announcement. Hell, the last time there was an announcement, I think it went about 3 days before it was canned.
Does everybody in here discussing this really believe there will be a tour?

What really floors me is this. This conversation is going on as if there will be a tour. There has been NO announcement. Hell, the last time there was an announcement, I think it went about 3 days before it was canned.
Does everybody in here discussing this really believe there will be a tour?

actually.......no.

VH fans are eternally hopefully the band will one day do the right thing.

As far as "reunion" talk.....I will go only as far as saying that this tour would be a reunion of DLR and Eddie....nothing more.

For better or for worse, that is enough for me.....There are more than a few folks on this site that have seen CVH in it's hey-day and have stated that they will not see this tour......for valid reasons in my mind, a been-there-done-that thing....or because they have been waiting for a "true" reunion.....to each his own....

Me?.....I'm seeking closure....I really feel that this is the last time that any of us will have the opportunity to see or hear anything with the brand name "Van Halen"......I don't think that Eddie will be able to record anything with DLR....or vice-versa.....I'm not even convinced that Ed has beaten his demons long enough to ever be able to record an albums worth of material with any singer, let alone Diamond Dave......No.....VH is no longer a working band and they probably never will be again.....

I have seen Van Halen with Roth many times.....and I need to see at least one more time......The begining....and the end....full circle.....

The Eddie Van Halen Saga........in three acts.....The Rise.....The Fall....The Redemption.....


As for Dave, Eddie and Alex (minus Mike?) hitting the stage again, that just may be the reality of it that some of the people on this site may witness for first and maybe the last time, so enjoy it!

I’ve actually seen Van Halen with Dave three times (Fair Warning, and twice on the 1984 tour) and seeing Dave and Eddie together is something special that I never thought would happen considering the stubbornness and egos in this band! The magic between these two on stage is in my opinion, something that only comes around once in a lifetime in rock and roll! It’s not going to be 1984 all over again, but considering the stage presence Dave still possesses, and if Ed can play like he did in 1998, it’ll be a blast nonetheless! At least those who never saw the two together can get some idea what it was like. If Mick and Keith can do it at their age, I’m sure Dave and Eddie can please an audience in their 50’s!

Here’s hoping the guys can at least release some new music just to prove to themselves they can actually make some great music and quiet those non-believers! They did make music back in 2000 so it would be nice to hear what they came up with, even if it was seven years ago! As Dave would say, Classic Van Halen is timeless! I know I put on Classic Van Halen more often then the Sammy Era.

Whatever the “band” confirms, I hope they go out and do it the right way! But Eddie and Alex have always maintained “my way or the highway” attitude and approach and there’s going to be tension regardless on what they decide! They're not a band anymore, they're a business trying to squeeze whatever buck they can before they hang it up!

Should be an interesting few weeks coming, according the VT!

Yeah, but what could have happened three weeks ago to suddenly make them go into fast forward?

I wish I was so good at something that all I had to do to make MILLIONS of dollars is go out and do it thirty or forty times at various places around the country with some people I'm not crazy about.

I'm just sayin'.

Kinda strange and a bit sad to see what was once a likely major arena tour has slowly but surely been apparently whittled down to some hastily thrown together affair likely playing the same size venues the Poison/Ratt tour is playing.

I just don't see the band going from playing large theaters on a quick 2 month tour at the end of '07 to moving up to arenas and a expanded tour in '08 as what was suggested earlier in this thread. It's a bizarre strategy if it's truly the plan, especially with no new music in the pipeline. I'm really curious if Live Nation is still involved at all in the tour or if the band is booking through local promoters.

The upside I suppose is that opens them up to play a place like The Wiltern Theater here in LA which is an outstanding place to see any band (Seeing Chris Cornell there next week).


T.B.

what's so hard to understand?

this tour was in the pipeline when they announced it in february. most of the footwork is probably already done, lights, staging, promoters, insurances, ticket prices, etc.

kinda like movin yer house.

VH fans are eternally hopefully the band will one day do the right thing.

I am dying to see Ed and Dave share the same stage. Obviously I haven't seen CVH due to my age.

VH fans are eternally hopefully the band will one day do the right thing.

Does this include touring Europe and giving me the chance to enter backstage??

what's so hard to understand?

this tour was in the pipeline when they announced it in february. most of the footwork is probably already done, lights, staging, promoters, insurances, ticket prices, etc.

kinda like movin yer house.

What's hard to understand is the logic behind rushing to do what sounds like a 2 - 3 month tour playing 2 - 3 thousand seaters before the holidays and than hopefully going back to playing arenas in the Spring. Granted, I'm just speculating based on what's been said in this thread and up until just the past few weeks, everything pointed to the band waiting until early Spring and mounting a carefully planned major arena tour with a big production, something that would completely fall in line with a Roth/VH reunion even without the draw of Mike being on board. I can guess the media and anyone else looking to put a negative spin on the band will simply say "the once-mighty Van Halen has thrown away so much of their respect and value with their fans that they're reduced to playing theaters for their once highly anticipated Roth reunion(sic) tour."

I assume the logic behind this strategy may be to not only gauge public support for a bigger tour in '08 but to break Wolfgang into playing in front of progressively larger audiences, but I think it's going to suck the public's interest right out of the "big" '08 tour especially with no new music and likely virtually the same setlist on both tours. And if the band looks sloppy or underwhelming in any way and word starts to filter out, you can write off the '08 tour being booked in arenas, if it even happens.

Sure, a small scale tour playing the size venues this tour appears to be booking can be slapped together relatively quickly and be entirely successful. The Cult have been doing it like this for years. The thing is, they don't go booking tours in 2,000 seaters and than come back and try to play 10,000 seat arenas. The *only* way such a plan would be successful is if Van Halen was playing maybe 4 or 5 dates total in small theaters in key cities to drum up interest in a major tour like say, U2 has done the past few tours.

T.B.

I think both of them are to blame to a certain degree... Eddie more than Mike, but I'm sure Mike has done things that really hurt Eddie emotionally. We don't know either guys exact story, so it's not really possible to speculate on what happened.

Maybe things will work out in time... I'm sure both guys will find a way to talk it out at some stage. Someone even said Eddie called Mike right after he got through with Rehab... could be bullshit though....

.....Amazing how you all know the intimate 30 + year history of EVH & MA:sssh:

Enough already..We all know Mikey's a class act but apparently Ed wants his son in the band now. I agree it's a shame, but for Christ sake:brickwall

The tour will probably look something like this:

9/28, 9/29 The Pearl, Las Vegas
10/1 Staples Center
10/2 Oakland Arena
10/4 Seattle
10/6 Phoenix
10/8 Denver
10/9 Chicago
10/11 Detroit
10/13 Toronto
10/14 Montreal
10/15 Boston
10/17 Hartford
10/19 NYC
10/20 Washington
10/22 Philly
10/24 Charlotte
10/26 Atlanta
10/28 Orlando
10/29 Miami
10/31 New Orleans
11/1 Dallas
11/2 Houston

All in local arenas. With Wolfie's age and Eddie's recovery it will probably be a quick run for the first leg. That will give them time to plan for a more substantial summer run in 2008 and whether or not they need to do it as a package tour with opening bands.

VH fans are eternally hopefully the band will one day do the right thing.

Sort of like us Cub fans waiting for that World Series:thumb:

Also, Sammy and Mike aren't the fan friendly saints that everyone makes them out to be. Alex said something along the lines of them being very calculating and it seems that they did something to Eddie that goes beyond using VH tunes to peddle Wabo and Hot Sauce. Who would have though that Dave would be the one out of those three that Eddie will even allow in the VH circle now. There must have been more to it than we know to completely disown Mike and Sammy. I also wouldn't be suprised if Sam books his Cabo tour in 2008 around the VH dates to take advantage of the Mike backlash from certain fans and turn that into $$$. This tour is going to be about Eddie regaining his crown and he'll do it playing Roth material. Couldn't ask for more. Who gives a shit about the bass in VH tunes? They could actually pipe in Mike's background vocals and it would be as good as having him there. Bring on the Eddie show! Any naysayers can hear the Sammy stuff as well next year on the Other Half tour.

I think tour is just for them to finally get out there and play, better things like a new album would probably come later on as long as they get through this first stage.

I'm sure Ed is probably getting anxious to play now that he seems to have gotten his life back together. That and along with his new gear coming out.

Those comments Wolfie made about him being too young were probably done because he was right there with his mother. Did you expect him to say I can't do a tour while my father is shit faced all the time?
I think he made those comments to take some of the heat off of his father and they were probably pre-arranged comments.

A clean and sober Ed is probably what Val wanted to give her blessing for her son to tour, he can hang around his father and his sponsors to ensure the proper surroundings. Let Dave and Al (if they still party like they once did) do all that stuff.

I think you will see a more toned down Dave, I don't expect the JD jack-off shit anymore especially with Wolfie around I expect a band that gets on stage and just plays their music.

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Originally Posted by it's me
Don't any of you think that maybe, just maybe, Ed called Mike after he got out of rehab to thank him for the public support Mike showed him during the hall of fame speech. That's what I think would be the most likely reason to place the call.



That's correct!

thanks Venom - seemed like a reasonable guess.

Also, Sammy and Mike aren't the fan friendly saints that everyone makes them out to be. Alex said something along the lines of them being very calculating and it seems that they did something to Eddie that goes beyond using VH tunes to peddle Wabo and Hot Sauce. Who would have though that Dave would be the one out of those three that Eddie will even allow in the VH circle now. There must have been more to it than we know to completely disown Mike and Sammy. I also wouldn't be suprised if Sam books his Cabo tour in 2008 around the VH dates to take advantage of the Mike backlash from certain fans and turn that into $$$. This tour is going to be about Eddie regaining his crown and he'll do it playing Roth material. Couldn't ask for more. Who gives a shit about the bass in VH tunes? They could actually pipe in Mike's background vocals and it would be as good as having him there. Bring on the Eddie show! Any naysayers can hear the Sammy stuff as well next year on the Other Half tour.

I too think there is more to it than just the "2 bands" issue. Eddie was unhappy with Mike a long time ago. Then the rumored Mikey diss when Ed and Al's mom died. Something else happen back in 1995-1996 between Ed and Sam and then Mike's alliance with Sam just brought an end to it all.

As far as both camps touring, its like 1986 all over again but this time instead of it being Van Hagar against DLR, its the Van Halen brothers and DLR against Sam and Mike. Should be interesting, and now its ironinc that "GOING CRAZY" just came on VH1 Classic as I am typing this. ARMBI:D

The tour will probably look something like this:

9/28, 9/29 The Pearl, Las Vegas
10/1 Staples Center
10/2 Oakland Arena
10/4 Seattle
10/6 Phoenix
10/8 Denver
10/9 Chicago
10/11 Detroit
10/13 Toronto
10/14 Montreal
10/15 Boston
10/17 Hartford
10/19 NYC
10/20 Washington
10/22 Philly
10/24 Charlotte
10/26 Atlanta
10/28 Orlando
10/29 Miami
10/31 New Orleans
11/1 Dallas
11/2 Houston

All in local arenas. With Wolfie's age and Eddie's recovery it will probably be a quick run for the first leg. That will give them time to plan for a more substantial summer run in 2008 and whether or not they need to do it as a package tour with opening bands. Sweet. aND YOU GOT THESE DATES HOW?

Sweet. aND YOU GOT THESE DATES HOW?

Just speculating for the hell of it based on the Pearl shows being booked. I figure there will need to be at least 6 weeks between the onsale and the first shows.

Sweet. aND YOU GOT THESE DATES HOW?


probably the same way vh07 got his fictional dates a few months earlier. So VH is gonna play Toronto on October 13th? Interesting. It would have to be at the Air Canada Centre (too cold to play outside) which is the home of the Leafs. And the 13th is a Saturday night. So unless Van Halen will be playing 2 sets during the fucking intermissions of the hockey game, I think we can throw that list in the garbage.

:brickwall

The tour will probably look something like this:

9/28, 9/29 The Pearl, Las Vegas
10/1 Staples Center
10/2 Oakland Arena
10/4 Seattle
10/6 Phoenix
10/8 Denver
10/9 Chicago
10/11 Detroit
10/13 Toronto
10/14 Montreal
10/15 Boston
10/17 Hartford
10/19 NYC
10/20 Washington
10/22 Philly
10/24 Charlotte
10/26 Atlanta
10/28 Orlando
10/29 Miami
10/31 New Orleans
11/1 Dallas
11/2 Houston

All in local arenas. With Wolfie's age and Eddie's recovery it will probably be a quick run for the first leg. That will give them time to plan for a more substantial summer run in 2008 and whether or not they need to do it as a package tour with opening bands.

I don't know if you just made up these dates or not, but They will need more than just one night in LA, Boston, Philly and NYC. They have huge followings in those cities and they better put Sacremento on that list since I would rather travel there instead of Oakland and so the Maloofs can make more money.

probably the same way vh07 got his fictional dates a few months earlier. So VH is gonna play Toronto on October 13th? Interesting. It would have to be at the Air Canada Centre (too cold to play outside) which is the home of the Leafs. And the 13th is a Saturday night. So unless Van Halen will be playing 2 sets during the fucking intermissions of the hockey game, I think we can throw that list in the garbage.

:brickwall

These aren't actual dates. I was just speculating on what the first leg might look like based on the Pearl shows. Why not?

probably the same way vh07 got his fictional dates a few months earlier. So VH is gonna play Toronto on October 13th? Interesting. It would have to be at the Air Canada Centre (too cold to play outside) which is the home of the Leafs. And the 13th is a Saturday night. So unless Van Halen will be playing 2 sets during the fucking intermissions of the hockey game, I think we can throw that list in the garbage.

:brickwall right. and philly on a monday? no way....this is a party town and it'll definitely be on a thurs,fri, sat.
What, this guy made up dates? lol.:D ok.....

I don't know if you just made up these dates or not, but They will need more than just one night in LA, Boston, Philly and NYC. They have huge followings in those cities and they better put Sacremento on that list since I would rather travel there instead of Oakland and so the Maloofs can make more money.

I think it will be a hit and run, one night in major cities. Create a buzz and leave them wanting more for a more substantial run in 2008. I think the last thing want to do with age and health concerns is book a huge run to start. Give the public a taste and get the buzz out, take some time off and then a full run in 2008 with an eye to stadiums if they get Police like sales. We should all find out the plan soon.

I too think there is more to it than just the "2 bands" issue. Eddie was unhappy with Mike a long time ago. Then the rumored Mikey diss when Ed and Al's mom died. Something else happen back in 1995-1996 between Ed and Sam and then Mike's alliance with Sam just brought an end to it all.

As far as both camps touring, its like 1986 all over again but this time instead of it being Van Hagar against DLR, its the Van Halen brothers and DLR against Sam and Mike. Should be interesting, and now its ironinc that "GOING CRAZY" just came on VH1 Classic as I am typing this. ARMBI:D HA! I heard that too.

These aren't actual dates. I was just speculating on what the first leg might look like based on the Pearl shows. Why not?

because it's fucking pointless.

we all basically know what cities they will be playing. By attaching dates to the cities you make it seem like you know something when you clearly don't.

right. and philly on a monday? no way....this is a party town and it'll definitely be on a thurs,fri, sat.
What, this guy made up dates? lol.:D ok.....

Again, I did make up those dates. I think the first leg will look something like that. I DID MAKE UP THOSE DATES! Please, no one book hotels and flights. :thumb:

because it's fucking pointless.

we all basically know what cities they will be playing. By attaching dates to the cities you make it seem like you know something when you clearly don't.

Relax. Who shit in your cheerios?

Relax. Who shit in your cheerios?

i think it was a ghost. :)

I think it would be a safe bet to say the the tour will start in Vegas and work its way East over a month and half run starting in mid fall. We also have confirmation from the concert promoter in Hartford of a VH booking for the fall. The dates I just threw in to get an idea of the time frame.

I think it will be a hit and run, one night in major cities. Create a buzz and leave them wanting more for a more substantial run in 2008. I think the last thing want to do with age and health concerns is book a huge run to start. Give the public a taste and get the buzz out, take some time off and then a full run in 2008 with an eye to stadiums if they get Police like sales. We should all find out the plan soon.

Only way VH gets Police like sales is to open for the Police.

That ship sailed about 10 years ago. This is too little, too late. With the clusterfuck leading up to it and the prospect of no Mike, I have doubts as to whether they'll get better numbers than in 2004.Much will depend upon Ed's playing and early word of mouth.

I always thought that when DLR finally regrouped with VH that it would be a slam dunk success ,but under these circumstances I could see this tour flopping.

They will probably get the northern states first before the cold and snow hits of late November and December.

These aren't actual dates. I was just speculating on what the first leg might look like based on the Pearl shows. Why not?

GitM, I knew as soon as you posted those dates without a qualifying "just idle speculation" in big, bold letters, some people were gonna crucify you, especially since you started this thread with what you're saying is legitimate info about Vegas dates.

IMO, the band will play the first few shows in smaller markets and I'd bet the Vegas dates if they turn out to be legit, will not be the among the first dates of the tour. Also, there's no way the band will play Los Angeles/Southern CA as a tour stop until near the end or at the end of this tour as those shows have traditionally been viewed as important "homecoming" shows after the band has at least put a dozen shows or so under their belt and worked out the kinks.

That said, I think the likelyhood of a surprise LA area "club" show a few days before the tour starts is almost a certainty, again based on the band's past history.

T.B.

GitM, I knew as soon as you posted those dates without a qualifying "just idle speculation" in big, bold letters, some people were gonna crucify you, especially since you started this thread with what you're saying is legitimate info about Vegas dates.

IMO, the band will play the first few shows in smaller markets and I'd bet the Vegas dates if they turn out to be legit, will not be the among the first dates of the tour. Also, there's no way the band will play Los Angeles/Southern CA as a tour stop until near the end or at the end of this tour as those shows have traditionally been viewed as important "homecoming" shows after the band has at least put a dozen shows or so under their belt and worked out the kinks.

That said, I think the likelyhood of a surprise LA area "club" show a few days before the tour starts is almost a certainty, again based on the band's past history.

T.B.

It would have to be an "all ages" show at a club because Wolfie is too young to get in himself.:D

I always thought that when DLR finally regrouped with VH that it would be a slam dunk success ,but under these circumstances I could see this tour flopping.

It won't flop but it won't be this mega success that some think. That ship did sail 11 years ago.

Only way VH gets Police like sales is to open for the Police.

That ship sailed about 10 years ago. This is too little, too late. With the clusterfuck leading up to it and the prospect of no Mike, I have doubts as to whether they'll get better numbers than in 2004.Much will depend upon Ed's playing and early word of mouth.

I always thought that when DLR finally regrouped with VH that it would be a slam dunk success ,but under these circumstances I could see this tour flopping.

Not a flop, but it certainly seems that it won't hit Police-level sales.

Not a flop, but it certainly seems that it won't hit Police-level sales.

Certainly if they're booking theaters unl;ess they charge a couple grand per ticket, lol!

I think even with all the bullshit of the past few years and without Mike on board, they could have mounted a tour similar in size and scope to the '04 Hagar reunion and done at least the same level of business right outta the gate.

The only reasons aside from what I mentioned previously about breaking Wolfgang into playing in front of a live audience for doing a theater tour in the Fall is that Live Nation or whoever is willing to front the tour basically said "prove yourselves to us that you can even draw a theater-sized audience and keep the band together before we shell out millions of dollars to front your arena tour."

T.B.

These aren't actual dates. I was just speculating on what the first leg might look like based on the Pearl shows. Why not?

Yeah, except you titled the thead with apparent certainty, and you also cited your 'insider' friend info as a solid booking. Now you're just speculating? Okay.

I changed the thread title a little.

Its getting Hoff in here.....


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/Nickdfresh/HasselhofUghh.gif

My retinas are burning.

I agree... I think the band was more mature with Sammy...

Um, yeahhhh, um --have you actually hearrrd' some of Sammy Hagar's lyrics?
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I changed the thread title a little.

Oh! To wield such power! :D

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Man, warn a guy before you post like that, Nick. ;)

The tour will probably look something like this:

9/28, 9/29 The Pearl, Las Vegas
10/1 Staples Center
10/2 Oakland Arena
10/4 Seattle
10/6 Phoenix
10/8 Denver
10/9 Chicago
10/11 Detroit
10/13 Toronto
10/14 Montreal
10/15 Boston
10/17 Hartford
10/19 NYC
10/20 Washington
10/22 Philly
10/24 Charlotte
10/26 Atlanta
10/28 Orlando
10/29 Miami
10/31 New Orleans
11/1 Dallas
11/2 Houston

All in local arenas. With Wolfie's age and Eddie's recovery it will probably be a quick run for the first leg. That will give them time to plan for a more substantial summer run in 2008 and whether or not they need to do it as a package tour with opening bands.

Or, more likely, it will look like this:

Um, yeahhhh, um --have you actually hearrrd' some of Sammy Hagar's lyrics?
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He's not talking about the lyrics. The overall sound of the band was more mature with Sammy.

Man, warn a guy before you post like that, Nick. ;)

That would detract from the overall "shock and awe" effect. (This speedo-Hoff pic is currently being deployed against terrorists in secret CIA prisons.)

He's not talking about the lyrics. The overall sound of the band was more mature with Sammy.


Thanks for clearing that up (for him).

Or, more likely, it will look like this:

:funny: :sssh:

It won't flop but it won't be this mega success that some think. That ship did sail 11 years ago.

I think VH burned a lot of people in 2004. Many people caught shows that they felt were subpar due to Ed's playing. Some of these people may not come back unless they feel they are going to get a better show. Since 2004, VH has only further damaged that credibility by adding a 16 year old and dealing with Ed's sobriety.

If the early word of mouth is good, if people are reporting that Ed is playing well, then yes, some DLR/CVH momentum may build and you could have yourself a nice tour. If the early word of mouth is bad though, a lot of the people who shelled out $100 plus in 2004 won't come back.

Or, more likely, it will look like this:



LMAO.

I think VH burned a lot of people in 2004. Many people caught shows that they felt were subpar due to Ed's playing. Some of these people may not come back unless they feel they are going to get a better show. Since 2004, VH has only further damaged that credibility by adding a 16 year old and dealing with Ed's sobriety.

If the early word of mouth is good, if people are reporting that Ed is playing well, then yes, some DLR/CVH momentum may build and you could have yourself a nice tour. If the early word of mouth is bad though, a lot of the people who shelled out $100 plus in 2004 won't come back.

It just looks like DLR replaced his band with 3 new musicians - one who has not played since 2004, one who's last gig was a sound track for a porno movie and one who has only played to old VH videos back when MTV first started.
I saw 3 of the 2004 shows - Portland, Seattle and Edmonton and the only show that Eddie was only partly smashed was up in Edmonton. He played a bit better in Portland and in Seattle he was stumbling around the stage.

The rational for believing this tour will last and prosper falls into advice I got a long time ago. What irrational actions in the past leads you to believe that rational actions will now be in the future.

Hopefully this tour can ad some semblance of respect to the VH legacy as the past 10 years have only tarnished VH with only 2 people coming out whole, happy and having somewhat productive lives - Mikey and Sammy.

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That is just too DISTURBING!! YUCK!!!:barf:



It is funny though!

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That's really very disturbing, but it sort of hypnotizes you in a way... :wtf:

That's really very disturbing, but it sort of hypnotizes you in a way... :wtf:



I wouldn't say hypnotizes. It hurts you eyes and makes your sight blurry for a second. The most disturbing thing is Hoff's hairy chest and the (GAG!) Speedo.

ED said 3 weeks ago that...''Dave could freak out and pull out'' something to that effect.

This coming from the guy who did the same thing a few months ago...

Or, more likely, it will look like this:













OKaY....ANOTHER NEW kb NEEDED. :spit:

MUCHAS GRAciaS!

Yeah, except you titled the thead with apparent certainty, and you also cited your 'insider' friend info as a solid booking. Now you're just speculating? Okay.

The Pearl dates are solid.

The Pearl dates are solid.

Are there exact days?

Are there exact days?

Sorry, no the dates were just speculation. They have booked two dates in the fall at the Pearl theatre. That is all I know and they only reason they won't be playing there is if the tour is cancelled. Based on the fact that the place only holds 2K or so, I assumed it would be opening night to get the bugs out in a small place. That is all. Everything else was just speculation on my part based on the Pearl info.

Sorry, no the dates were just speculation. They have booked two dates in the fall at the Pearl theatre. That is all I know and they only reason they won't be playing there is if the tour is cancelled. Based on the fact that the place only holds 2K or so, I assumed it would be opening night to get the bugs out in a small place. That is all. Everything else was just speculation on my part based on the Pearl info.


Thanks!

i don't buy this shit about gettin the bugs out

how long have these guys been playing music? minus wolf of course?

i don't buy this shit about gettin the bugs out

how long have these guys been playing music? minus wolf of course?

I don't know about that. Between Eddie on 04 tour, Bluegrass Dave and a 15 year old bass player, I'd say there are a few.

Sorry, no the dates were just speculation. They have booked two dates in the fall at the Pearl theatre.

Can you see why people are skeptical about this thread? ;)

Can you see why people are skeptical about this thread? ;)

Of, course. This is Van Halen we are talking about. I'll be skeptical even while I'm sitting in an arena with 10 minutes to show time. But, were the hell else would I come with that tidbit of information? The first two venue bookings of the tour that I've heard. Again, I heard about the Police reunion almost two months before it was official from the same source. I will pry some more for other bookings. Take it for what its worth and we will all see when the dates are released. When is the last time VH played in a 2K theatre with Roth on vocals? These will be the ones to see.

Can you release the exact date as of yet? Also I would like to thank you for giving the inside scoop.

Can you release the exact date as of yet? Also I would like to thank you for giving the inside scoop.

I don't have dates. I'm trying to find out. This is how it happened. My friend in the concert business (works with Les Claypool amongst others) knows I am a huge Police and VH fan. Early last year he told me the Police were negotiating huge vending fees for a 2007 reunion. He also emailed me yesterday and said VH booked 2 nights in Vegas at the Pearl for the fall tour. That is all I have. This means they are signing contracts with venues and the Pearl may have been the first one or whatever. I will follow up.

The Pearl dates are solid.

Oh, okay. So they're now they're solid again, but you're speculating as well?

Dude, lay off the cheap beer.

Oh, okay. So they're now they're solid again, but you're speculating as well?

Dude, lay off the cheap beer.

Nevermind. Enjoy the tour.

Of, course. This is Van Halen we are talking about. I'll be skeptical even while I'm sitting in an arena with 10 minutes to show time. But, were the hell else would I come with that tidbit of information? The first two venue bookings of the tour that I've heard. Again, I heard about the Police reunion almost two months before it was official from the same source. I will pry some more for other bookings. Take it for what its worth and we will all see when the dates are released. When is the last time VH played in a 2K theatre with Roth on vocals? These will be the ones to see.

I agree that the idea of working the "kinks out" and acclimating Wolfgang to playing progressively larger audiences is a good reason to playing a show or some shows in small theater(s) but I don't see this as a one-off pair of shows in a high profile place like Las Vegas to do this, much less as the start of the tour. If this was truly the case, they'd follow their usual past practice of starting the tour in a low key secondary market such as Florida, North or South Carolina or Alabama, get a half dozen shows under their belt and work their way up the East Coast or head out to the West Coast and start hitting the major markets.

I do see the logic of playing a small tour across the country in similar sized venues over a couple month's time to do exactly what you say and to drum up interest in a larger Spring '08 arena tour but as I've said previously several times, this whole strategy of a 2 month small venue tour as it's being rumored is really unusual (and imo, stupid for this kind of tour) and I can see a lot of reasons why it could backfire on the band and a future '08 tour especially if this Fall tour in whatever shape it winds up taking gets bad reviews.

This is just speaking only for myself, but if Van Halen played say, The Hollywood Palladium which holds about 2,000 people here in LA this Fall and than came back next Spring/Summer and played pretty much the same set of songs at the Staples Arena (which holds about 20,000 people) in LA even with a huge stage production, I'd probably pass on the arena show in '08. Once in a theater is enough for me for this lineup if there's nothing new to offer on the second go-round.

T.B.

Nevermind. Enjoy the tour.

You can't post rumors and speculate. It's one or the other.

T.B.

I don't have dates. I'm trying to find out. This is how it happened. My friend in the concert business (works with Les Claypool amongst others) knows I am a huge Police and VH fan. Early last year he told me the Police were negotiating huge vending fees for a 2007 reunion. He also emailed me yesterday and said VH booked 2 nights in Vegas at the Pearl for the fall tour. That is all I have. This means they are signing contracts with venues and the Pearl may have been the first one or whatever. I will follow up.

Sounds good. Thanks. :thumb:

You can't post rumors and speculate. It's one or the other.

T.B.

Why not?

Billboard are reporting that several arenas in major markets are on hold for potential Van Halen dates. Undercover has heard that the dates will go ahead in January.

Billboard are reporting that several arenas in major markets are on hold for potential Van Halen dates. Undercover has heard that the dates will go ahead in January.

Will go until January...

Why not?

Hey I dunno. I don't write the rules, I just break 'em.

T.B.

Billboard are reporting that several arenas in major markets are on hold for potential Van Halen dates. Undercover has heard that the dates will go ahead in January.

Heh, who seriously tours in the US in January. Right after Christmas in the dead of Winter. If this pans out, it's like this band has a death wish.

T.B.

Why not?


We all have to dream that is what first makes things happen.:thumb: Fight the good fight:headbang:

We all have to dream that is what first makes things happen.:thumb: Fight the good fight:headbang:



AMEN MY BROTHER!!:thumb:

Heh, who seriously tours in the US in January. Right after Christmas in the dead of Winter. If this pans out, it's like this band has a death wish.

T.B.

The 1984 tour started January 17th 1984!

Heh, who seriously tours in the US in January. Right after Christmas in the dead of Winter. If this pans out, it's like this band has a death wish.

T.B.

Well, they won't have anyone to compete against! :D

Well, they won't have anyone to compete against! :D

tour is starting in september!!!!!!!

tour is starting in september!!!!!!!

Sept. to Jan.

The 1984 tour started January 17th 1984!

yeah waht he said. and that tour sucked :rolleyes:

If the first run is going from Sept to January and only hitting major markets than it must be a 3 week on, 10 days off arrangement. Does anyone know what the child labor laws are for Wolfie? Seriously, this has to come into affect for bookings and how much time he can spend on the road. Goddamn, that sounds weird to ask for a VH tour. How the times have changed.

I have seen the best concerts right after January. I love tailgating in the wintertime. LOL

I have seen the best concerts right after January. I love tailgating in the wintertime. LOL

The touring market isn't as crowded as the summertime rush. It will help their ticket sales.

Heh, who seriously tours in the US in January. Right after Christmas in the dead of Winter. If this pans out, it's like this band has a death wish.


It's fairly certain going out on a brief arena tour at the tail end of a huge reunion year for classic rock with a 16 year old kid on bass in lieu of a fan-fave key component, coupled with no new album or music to support, rolling through an undoubtedly standard greatest hits setlist, kinda indicates that already. It's likely little more than a contractual obligation at this point, once again presuming this rumor proves to be more than the usual idle claptrap.



The Beatles will never get back together and David Lee Roth will never again sing with Van Halen.

-Alex Van Halen

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It's fairly certain going out on a brief arena tour at the tail end of a huge reunion year for classic rock with a 16 year old kid on bass in lieu of a fan-fave key component, coupled with no new album or music to support, rolling through an undoubtedly standard greatest hits setlist, kinda indicates that already. It's likely little more than a contractual obligation at this point, once again presuming this rumor proves to be more than the usual idle claptrap.



The Beatles will never get back together and David Lee Roth will never again sing with Van Halen.

-Alex Van Halen

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I don't want any new shit based on the abominations that were on Best of Both Worlds and Eddies recent porn and petals production. Just give me VH1-1984 and I will be happy.

I have seen the best concerts right after January. I love tailgating in the wintertime. LOL



Me Too! 1984 & F. U. C. K. were in February, and those were some great times!!!:thumb:

Me Too! 1984 & F. U. C. K. were in February, and those were some great times!!!:thumb:

So if they are doing a 40 date run or so over four months than that would mean 10 dates or so per month which probably falls under some kind of child labor law for a 16 year old. There is also probably a certain time that Wolfie will be allowed to work until so VH will probably hit the stage at 7:30 and have to be off by 10. Roth's head must be ready to explode.

I don't want any new shit based on the abominations that were on Best of Both Worlds and Eddies recent porn and petals production. Just give me VH1-1984 and I will be happy.

Some of us have seen that already.

New tunes or bust, is the only thing that might have a very slight chance at validating Van Halen 4.

Some of us have seen that already.

New tunes or bust, is the only thing that might have a very slight chance at validating Van Halen 4.

Not me. I wish I had.

This is becoming more and more of a reality each day, what can fuck it up this time?

This is becoming more and more reality, what can fuck it up this time?

A bottle of loon.

So if they are doing a 40 date run or so over four months than that would mean 10 dates or so per month which probably falls under some kind of child labor law for a 16 year old. There is also probably a certain time that Wolfie will be allowed to work until so VH will probably hit the stage at 7:30 and have to be off by 10. Roth's head must be ready to explode.



Lol...:D

Not me. I wish I had.

I understand. But you'd be surprised at the difference between studio and live when it comes to the Diamond.

Though I hear, of course, that every tour before I started seeing Halen was when Dave could sing. :irked:

A bottle of loon.

:sssh:

This is becoming more and more of a reality each day, what can fuck it up this time?

Ha! Do you want the list in alphabetical order, or by most plausible scenario? :)

I understand. But you'd be surprised at the difference between studio and live when it comes to the Diamond.

Though I hear, of course, that every tour before I started seeing Halen was when Dave could sing. :irked:

No, I expect Dave to be the ringleader and nothing more. But, with him on lead vocals it will guarantee that we will get a set of the best VH material, IMHO. I'm still recovering from seeing bluegrass Jump on the Tonight show.

I'm still recovering from seeing bluegrass Jump on the Tonight show.


Aren't we all? Did you notice how after he was finished, Dave was just looking around smiling, like it was the best thing in the world? That was a sad, sad, thing to see.

Aren't we all? Did you notice how after he was finished, Dave was just looking around smiling, like it was the best thing in the world? That was a sad, sad, thing to see.

It looked to me like he had his head buried in a Tony Montana mound of cocaine before he went on. He was grinding his teeth down to nothing.

No, I expect Dave to be the ringleader and nothing more. But, with him on lead vocals it will guarantee that we will get a set of the best VH material, IMHO. I'm still recovering from seeing bluegrass Jump on the Tonight show.

Now there is nothing wrong with some good Bluegrass. If and when they come here, I want to here Big bad bill in a different tone.

It looked to me like he had his head buried in a Tony Montana mound of cocaine before he went on. He was grinding his teeth down to nothing.


Lol....:D

OMG! He did! Poor Dave!


A few weeks afterward I was in a cd store and I saw the bluegrass cd. I honestly thought it was a sick joke, until I picked it up and read it.

Lol....:D

OMG! He did! Poor Dave!


A few weeks afterward I was in a cd store and I saw the bluegrass cd. I honestly thought it was a sick joke, until I picked it up and read it.

Ah, well. He's back to playing arenas now.

Now there is nothing wrong with some good Bluegrass. If and when they come here, I want to here Big bad bill in a different tone.


I'll agree with you. Nothing at all wrong with some good old bluegrass, but Van Halen's 'Jump' NO!!! That is just WRONG!!!!

No, I expect Dave to be the ringleader and nothing more. But, with him on lead vocals it will guarantee that we will get a set of the best VH material, IMHO. I'm still recovering from seeing bluegrass Jump on the Tonight show.

Ugh. That was a travesty, that bluegrass deal.

What the masses will get will be essentially the exact same set Dave plays with his solo band these days. This was Dave's standard set last year, I think. I doubt, presuming rehearsal time has been as limited as rumored, it will deviate much with the Van Halen 4 options.


Hot For Teacher
Mean Street
Just Like Paradise
Runnin' With The Devil
You Really Got Me
California Girls
Beautiful Girls
Somebody Get Me A Doctor
Jamie's Crying
Cradle Will Rock
Just A Gigolo
Unchained (Pork Pie Hat)
Panama
Dance The Night Away
Yankee Rose
Ice Cream Man
Everybody Wants Some!
Ain't Talking 'Bout Love
Jump

One of the more interesting potential aspects of a Dave/Ed reunion is whether Ed and Al will learn to play any of Dave's solo stuff. Probably not, 'cause they have enough back catalogue with him to fill a set. But the lead singer still gets his solo spot, right? In the early Hagar years, they backed Sam for One Way to Rock and 55, then in later years Sam cranked out some solo by himself with Eagles Fly or whatever. So will Dave just do an acoustic jam of Ice Cream Man and one solo tune as is likely, or will the band back him on one or two DLR tracks like Yankee Rose or Paradise?

So if you count ICM as Dave's solo spot, then take out Gigolo, Paradise, Yankee, California Girls, you've basically got 4, possibly 5 extra VH back catalogue tracks to play with. Good bets probably include I'm the One, DOA, Bottoms Up, Romeo Delight, Little Guitars, and maybe another 'Warning track like So This is Love. Best case scenario deep cuts? Full Bug. Girl Gone Bad. Me Wise Magic. Atomic Punk.

But point being, I'd be utterly shocked if Ed acquiesced to a request from Dave to jam Yankee Rose night to night.

Ah, well. He's back to playing arenas now.




No one can ever deny that Dave is one entertaining guy! :thumb:

The 1984 tour started January 17th 1984!

The 1984 tour staring in Jan, '84 was an abberation when you compare it to every single tour Van Halen has done before or since. One thing I should mention, is that Van Halen booked many of those early '84 dates almost a year in advance around various basketball and other sporting events that had prior claim on various arena dates in the Winter and Spring of '84. Also, it should be noted that tour started in exactly the part of the country (Florida in that tour's case) I mentioned they typically start their tours to work get back into shape before hitting major markets.

Now I know in the case of the F.U.C.K. tour they did play through Dec '91 - post Jan, 92 with a one month break over the holidays but again, that was the only time they've done that in their entire 30 year history as far as I can recall.

The band's history in regards to touring has shown the seem to follow a pretty set pattern that worked for them. I'm not saying running a tour from late '07 into early '08 is out of the question, I am saying it's highly unusual for most bands and especially Van Halen to mount a nationwide tour into Winter, at least on the East Coast and Mid West due to weather and sports schedules (in arenas, anyway), especially on such short notice. And as I mentioned, touring in that timeframet simply leaves open just one more (unneccesary) risk to the tour such as losing dates to bad weather, etc that I don't think the band can afford at this juncture.

Most succesful major tours are run like military operations with every risk marginalized as much as possible and every eventuality planned to the tiniest detail. So far, everything points to this tour being run on a par with something outta Spinal Tap. I can only hope Ed's girlfriend isn't using astrology charts to plan the bands' plane flights.

T.B.

The touring market isn't as crowded as the summertime rush. It will help their ticket sales.

Not if they're playing arenas.

T.B.

I understand. But you'd be surprised at the difference between studio and live when it comes to the Diamond.

Though I hear, of course, that every tour before I started seeing Halen was when Dave could sing. :irked:

I'd never rate Roth as a "good" singer but can say he did consistantly match live on stage what he laid down in the studio up until around the Fair Warning tour. I don't know what happened around the end of '81 but there was a noticable lack in the power his voice had from the '82 tour onwards and once he was on his own, the change was even more apparant on the '86 tour, enjoyable as it was.

And someone else mentioned Dave's bluegrass thing from last year as a shocking low point for the guy. You have to dig up Dave's appearance on I believe Leno from around '95 when Dave was into his Vegas revue and you had a coked up, sweaty, perma-grinning Roth competing with a coked up Robin Williams for tv face time with Jay for the ultimate cringe-worthy Roth appearance.

T.B.

Undoubtedly Roth's venture into Vegas with the Miami Sound Machine was the lowest point of his career.

Dave was never a 'good' singer, but he is a 'unique' singer. It was his 'unique' vocal (enhanced by the strong harmonies of Michael Anthony), along with superb showmanship that made him the ultimate frontman for Van Halen.

I don't know about that. Between Eddie on 04 tour, Bluegrass Dave and a 15 year old bass player, I'd say there are a few.

i suppose

dave has been doing this forever and when i saw him last summer he sounded great!

if ed is sober, he'll be ed

wolfie is the only real questionmark

but what the fuck happens if wolf has a meltdown at some point? there has to be some kind of contingency plan

i suppose

dave has been doing this forever and when i saw him last summer he sounded great!

if ed is sober, he'll be ed

wolfie is the only real questionmark

but what the fuck happens if wolf has a meltdown at some point? there has to be some kind of contingency plan

They can do what U2 did when their bass player got to drunk to play a show. Use the bass roadie.

T.B.

Aren't we all? Did you notice how after he was finished, Dave was just looking around smiling, like it was the best thing in the world? That was a sad, sad, thing to see.

nothing was more sad than dave in vegas!

I think VH burned a lot of people in 2004. Many people caught shows that they felt were subpar due to Ed's playing. Some of these people may not come back unless they feel they are going to get a better show. Since 2004, VH has only further damaged that credibility by adding a 16 year old and dealing with Ed's sobriety.

If the early word of mouth is good, if people are reporting that Ed is playing well, then yes, some DLR/CVH momentum may build and you could have yourself a nice tour. If the early word of mouth is bad though, a lot of the people who shelled out $100 plus in 2004 won't come back.


Thats why VH should have played LIVE EARTH yesterday, so the world could see a sober Eddie Van Halen play and play like he is capable of.

Sorry, no the dates were just speculation. They have booked two dates in the fall at the Pearl theatre. That is all I know and they only reason they won't be playing there is if the tour is cancelled....

Or if Microsoft deletes their shit, again.

Heh, who seriously tours in the US in January. Right after Christmas in the dead of Winter. If this pans out, it's like this band has a death wish.

T.B.


The only bands that tour in January are the ones extending on to their successful spring and summer efforts and are supporting new material. Bands like U2 do this all the time and leave open dates and plans for what becomes an inevitability, while not listing any firm dates for the later legs at the beginning of the tour as an out in case they have "problems" of some sort...

But the word "inevitability" no longer applies to Van Halen, whatever that name even means at this point...

If the first run is going from Sept to January and only hitting major markets than it must be a 3 week on, 10 days off arrangement. Does anyone know what the child labor laws are for Wolfie? Seriously, this has to come into affect for bookings and how much time he can spend on the road. Goddamn, that sounds weird to ask for a VH tour. How the times have changed.


I believe DDLR webmasturbator Seshmeister posted them at the RothArmy...

I'll get back to you...

I believe DDLR webmasturbator Seshmeister posted them at the RothArmy...

I'll get back to you...


Here's the thread. (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43482)

But it only covers ages 15-and-under...

And here's the link (http://www.stopchildlabor.org/USchildlabor/fact1.htm) to an advocacy org. with informed content...

16- and 17-year olds may be employed for unlimited hours. There are no federal laws restricting the number of hours of work per day or per week.

I think there might be a caveat there though, like those under-18 are not allowed to work past 9:00 or 9:30pm or something. But I could be wrong...

Also, Sammy and Mike aren't the fan friendly saints that everyone makes them out to be. Alex said something along the lines of them being very calculating and it seems that they did something to Eddie that goes beyond using VH tunes to peddle Wabo and Hot Sauce. Who would have though that Dave would be the one out of those three that Eddie will even allow in the VH circle now. There must have been more to it than we know to completely disown Mike and Sammy. I also wouldn't be suprised if Sam books his Cabo tour in 2008 around the VH dates to take advantage of the Mike backlash from certain fans and turn that into $$$. This tour is going to be about Eddie regaining his crown and he'll do it playing Roth material. Couldn't ask for more. Who gives a shit about the bass in VH tunes? They could actually pipe in Mike's background vocals and it would be as good as having him there. Bring on the Eddie show! Any naysayers can hear the Sammy stuff as well next year on the Other Half tour.

and just how in the hell do you know any of this? sounds like we got us another full-of-shit "insider" roaming the area.

Ugh. That was a travesty, that bluegrass deal.

What the masses will get will be essentially the exact same set Dave plays with his solo band these days. This was Dave's standard set last year, I think. I doubt, presuming rehearsal time has been as limited as rumored, it will deviate much with the Van Halen 4 options.


Hot For Teacher
Mean Street
Just Like Paradise
Runnin' With The Devil
You Really Got Me
California Girls
Beautiful Girls
Somebody Get Me A Doctor
Jamie's Crying
Cradle Will Rock
Just A Gigolo
Unchained (Pork Pie Hat)
Panama
Dance The Night Away
Yankee Rose
Ice Cream Man
Everybody Wants Some!
Ain't Talking 'Bout Love
Jump

One of the more interesting potential aspects of a Dave/Ed reunion is whether Ed and Al will learn to play any of Dave's solo stuff. Probably not, 'cause they have enough back catalogue with him to fill a set. But the lead singer still gets his solo spot, right? In the early Hagar years, they backed Sam for One Way to Rock and 55, then in later years Sam cranked out some solo by himself with Eagles Fly or whatever. So will Dave just do an acoustic jam of Ice Cream Man and one solo tune as is likely, or will the band back him on one or two DLR tracks like Yankee Rose or Paradise?

So if you count ICM as Dave's solo spot, then take out Gigolo, Paradise, Yankee, California Girls, you've basically got 4, possibly 5 extra VH back catalogue tracks to play with. Good bets probably include I'm the One, DOA, Bottoms Up, Romeo Delight, Little Guitars, and maybe another 'Warning track like So This is Love. Best case scenario deep cuts? Full Bug. Girl Gone Bad. Me Wise Magic. Atomic Punk.

But point being, I'd be utterly shocked if Ed acquiesced to a request from Dave to jam Yankee Rose night to night.

I think you'd see Yankee Rose, just for shit and giggles and to give Dave a bone...

The 1984 tour started January 17th 1984!

Called "striking while the iron is hot!"

This iron ain't so hot anymore bro,' and it has lots of rust on it...

Or, more likely, it will look like this:

:funny:

I'd never rate Roth as a "good" singer but can say he did consistantly match live on stage what he laid down in the studio up until around the Fair Warning tour. I don't know what happened around the end of '81 but there was a noticable lack in the power his voice had from the '82 tour onwards and once he was on his own, the change was even more apparant on the '86 tour, enjoyable as it was.

There's no lack of "power" in Dave's voice as evidenced and many a Hide Your Sheep tour and 1984 tour boots. But, I will say that it almost seems that he's not caring as much as he used too. Drugs might be a part of it, but I've long speculated that WB prodding Van Halen to 'strike while the iron was hot' and follow up "Pretty Woman" (meant to be a one-off single) with a rushed album comprised largely of covers --and another grueling tour right after four relentlessly grinding previous tours may have caused the break up of classic Van Halen. I think it also contributed to some other things. BTW, they had vacations scheduled for the Diver Down era...

And Roth is a "good" (bluesy growl) singer for what he sang. Unfortunately, his lackadaisical tendencies often slipped into his career..

And someone else mentioned Dave's bluegrass thing from last year as a shocking low point for the guy. You have to dig up Dave's appearance on I believe Leno from around '95 when Dave was into his Vegas revue and you had a coked up, sweaty, perma-grinning Roth competing with a coked up Robin Williams for tv face time with Jay for the ultimate cringe-worthy Roth appearance.

T.B.

Yeah, the 1995 thing is simply unbearable...

As far as the bluegrass thing, I never got it. Of course he was happy to be back on national TV, but I think the smile he had on his face may have had more to do with finally dislodging the CBS Radio dildo from his ass...

nothing was more sad than dave in vegas!

Well, VHIII comes pretty close.

Nickdfresh wrote:

>There's no lack of "power" in Dave's voice as evidenced and many a Hide Your Sheep tour and 1984 tour boots. But, I will say that it almost seems that he's not caring as much as he used too. Drugs might be a part of it, but I've long speculated that WB prodding Van Halen to 'strike while the iron was hot' and follow up "Pretty Woman" (meant to be a one-off single) with a rushed album comprised largely of covers --and another grueling tour right after four relentlessly grinding previous tours may have caused the break up of classic Van Halen. I think it also contributed to some other things. BTW, they had vacations scheduled for the Diver Down era...

Regarding Dave's voice and the change between '81 and '82 - '84, we'll have to disagree a bit on that one.

Regarding the '82 tour, yeah Warner Bros was really pushing the band to tour/release albums on a yearly basis in the early 80's. In fact, the band had planned a European tour in mid '83 as part of the Diver Down tour and a return to the US playing stadiums(!) behind a proposed "Greatest Hits" or Live album but WB basically pulled the plug on the tour after the January South American leg and wanted them to record a new studio album which wound up keeping them out of the public's eye for almost a year with the exception of the US Festival in May '83.

>And Roth is a "good" (bluesy growl) singer for what he sang. Unfortunately, his lackadaisical tendencies often slipped into his career..[/QUOTE]

I really wish Roth would explore that side of his singing more. I'm one of the guys that likes some of his bluesier solo stuff like "Sensible Shoes" and "Damn Good Times."

T.B.

Well, VHIII comes pretty close.

oh please!!!!!!! at least gary gave us a great show and played tunes we've been dying to hear for a long time.

I think you'd see Yankee Rose, just for shit and giggles and to give Dave a bone...

I doubt that Ed would "lower" himself to Vai's talking guitar level...and, no, I'm not trying to open up a Ed v Vai debate...I'm just saying that I don't see Edward Van Halen copping someone else's bit.

I don't think you'll see ANY Dave solo stuff, unless Dave does it by himself.

I don't think you'll see ANY Dave solo stuff, unless Dave does it by himself.

As it should be.

Nevermind. Enjoy the tour.

Attaboy Ghost:thumb:

As it should be.

Why is that?

Maybe he can do Eagles for us since we may go through withdrawal without it being played.

Yankee Rose is a must.

Yankee Rose is a must.

Blecch.

Yankee Rose is a must.

Why is it a must? They have 6 albums of songs to play (that most haven't heard in decades) and you want to hear Yankee Rose? LOL! A song that isn't even that good (it really isn't).

Hot For Teacher
Mean Street
Just Like Paradise
Runnin' With The Devil
You Really Got Me
California Girls
Beautiful Girls
Somebody Get Me A Doctor
Jamie's Crying
Cradle Will Rock
Just A Gigolo
Unchained (Pork Pie Hat)
Panama
Dance The Night Away
Yankee Rose
Ice Cream Man
Everybody Wants Some!
Ain't Talking 'Bout Love
Jump

One of the more interesting potential aspects of a Dave/Ed reunion is whether Ed and Al will learn to play any of Dave's solo stuff. Probably not, 'cause they have enough back catalogue with him to fill a set. But the lead singer still gets his solo spot, right? In the early Hagar years, they backed Sam for One Way to Rock and 55, then in later years Sam cranked out some solo by himself with Eagles Fly or whatever. So will Dave just do an acoustic jam of Ice Cream Man and one solo tune as is likely, or will the band back him on one or two DLR tracks like Yankee Rose or Paradise?

So if you count ICM as Dave's solo spot, then take out Gigolo, Paradise, Yankee, California Girls, you've basically got 4, possibly 5 extra VH back catalogue tracks to play with. Good bets probably include I'm the One, DOA, Bottoms Up, Romeo Delight, Little Guitars, and maybe another 'Warning track like So This is Love. Best case scenario deep cuts? Full Bug. Girl Gone Bad. Me Wise Magic. Atomic Punk.

But point being, I'd be utterly shocked if Ed acquiesced to a request from Dave to jam Yankee Rose night to night.

I think you are dead on. It's easy for Dave and I think ed will play with the songs a bit. One can only hope that Yankee gets put in th setlist. Your good bets may be dead on. So This Is Love is a lock by the way.

Trying to ditch my Police tickets for extra cash. A few weeks and counting.

Yankee Rose is a must.


That's cheesier than one of Ford's jumbo breakfast pizzas....:D


J/K...:thumb: