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Sammy Hagar: Joe Satriani 'Is The Best Guitarist I Have Ever Played With'

Neil Baron of Reno Gazette-Journal reports: Longtime rock 'n' roll frontman Sammy Hagar knows a great guitarist when he hears one. After all, the Red Rocker has shared the stage with the likes of Ronnie Montrose, Ted Nugent and Eddie Van Halen.

So you know Hagar knows what he's talking about when he compliments guitarist Joe Satriani, one of his collaborators in a new band, CHICKENFOOT. While Hagar and his regular band, THE WABOS, will play Friday and Saturday at Harrah's Lake Tahoe, he's moving on to a new group — in this case, with a guitarist he has long admired.

"I've made this statement a million times — some people don't like it, some people do — but Joe is the best guitarist I have ever played with," Hagar said during a recent phone interview. "That's a strong statement. I realize that. You've got to give Eddie (Van Halen) a lot of love for his innovation of what he did as a stylist with the guitar," Hagar added. "He broke a lot of ground. But Joe is a master. He can play anything and everything — folk, blues, jazz, hard rock, soft rock, fusion, you name it. As a guitar technician, Joe is the best guy I've ever stood in the same room with on any instrument. And he's so soulful when he solos. He puts more feeling into a solo than any other player I've been with."

oh shit, here it comes... I can hear it... 5-pages long...

I can't argue with Sam's point. I bet he's right on the money with that statement. I'm willing to bet Joe could play Ed under the table in terms of range. I don't doubt that for a second.

Strap on your helmets...

You wouldn't expect anything less from Sammy, though I must admit to finding this sentence a tad troubling...

"He puts more feeling into a solo than any other player I've been with."

Joking aside, so long as he's happy. There is a bit in an online interview where Sammy mentioned that without Chickenfoot, whilst he wouldn't exactly have been about to retire, he was planning on taking things a lot easier.

Sammy, and the rest of the guys for that matter, sound genuinely excited about this band. I doubt it's just the music either, but about really having fun and wanting to take this on the road. None of them need the money, Sammy least of all, and I doubt this late in the day it is about ego either - none of them have too much to prove.

I am very much looking forward to getting my mitts on this CD.

I can't argue with Sam's point. I bet he's right on the money with that statement. I'm willing to bet Joe could play Ed under the table in terms of range. I don't doubt that for a second.


I doubt that most would disagree with the range point. At least he did give Ed a positive mention, without any little digs.

Once again Sam needs to talk shit about the man who made him famous, just to promote his new project.

Meh...already been posted. The article was actually a bit longer too.

Hmmm.....

Once again Sam needs to talk shit about the man who made him famous, just to promote his new project.

That's what he's doing?? Talking shit about Ed?? You might want to go back and read it again. :rolleyes:

Meh...already been posted. The article was actually a bit longer too.

Hmmm.....

Link ?

Link ?

http://www.vhlinks.com/vbforums/pre-order-sales-of-cd-and-lp-sam-interview-t46982.html

http://www.vhlinks.com/vbforums/pre-order-sales-of-cd-and-lp-sam-interview-t46982.html

I see why I did not see it

pre sales was the start of the header

[QUOTE=graeme;1130770]You wouldn't expect anything less from Sammy, though I must admit to finding this sentence a tad troubling...

"He puts more feeling into a solo than any other player I've been with."



My sentiments exactly. I somewhat agree with everything else he said, except that part.

Like it was said, Sam gave props to Eddie, but then said that Joe had more of a range as a guitarist than Eddie. How is that talking shit by paying one guy a compliment but saying one else is a little better? Like saying Deep Purple was a great band but Led Zep was a little better in total range. How is that talking smack on Deep Purple? I know, I know, this is a Van Halen fan site but the truth of the matter is that some people will never let that go. I remember in the liner notes for Red Voodoo Sammy said that Vic had the best feel of any guitarist he ever played with. At the time it may have been more talking shit but now I don't think what Sam is saying now is. Joe's music has covered a wider range of music than Van Halen has, and that is a fact. Joe I bet could jam with everyone from Buddy Guy to Pat Metheny and back and feel comfortable in doing it. Eddie on the other hand I don't think can take on a chameleon type as well as Joe can. Yes, Ed has jammed some through the years with people but I bet it pales in comparsion to the times Joe has.

technically he's not wrong, there's probably a dozen guitar players in your town who are better technical players than Ed right now. I imagine Joe is too. But who gives a shit? It's all about the songs. Joe's an outstanding technical player who hasn't written one great song in my opinion. I'll take the slightly less technically proficient player who writes great tunes over the technically perfect player every time. I'm sure Sam would too.

All Sam said was that Joe was the best guitarist he's ever played with. Didn't say he was the best songwriter or best hit writer, he just said he's the most versatile and technical player he's been with. And in the process he gave Ed his due for his ground breaking innovation. Even the biggest Ed rump swab around here shouldn't be upset with that.

technically he's not wrong, there's probably a dozen guitar players in your town who are better technical players than Ed right now. I imagine Joe is too. But who gives a shit? It's all about the songs. Joe's an outstanding technical player who hasn't written one great song in my opinion. I'll take the slightly less technically proficient player who writes great tunes over the technically perfect player every time. I'm sure Sam would too.

I'd disagree on the "hasn't written one great song" line, but I agree with the premise of your post, though that wasn't the point being raised.

However, we shall see on the songwriting front. In the instrumental game, Satch is pretty much in the rarified realms of composition. And things are looking good of the first three chickenfoot songs are anything to go by.

That's what he's doing?? Talking shit about Ed?? You might want to go back and read it again. :rolleyes:

Ed-colored glasses have this affect IF people where them...

All Sam said was that Joe was the best guitarist he's ever played with. Didn't say he was the best songwriter or best hit writer, he just said he's the most versatile and technical player he's been with. And in the process he gave Ed his due for his ground breaking innovation. Even the biggest Ed rump swab around here shouldn't be upset with that.

But they will be. Because talking about other guitar talents is somehow threatening to Ed's greatness. :rolleyes: :sssh:

I'd disagree on the "hasn't written one great song" line, but I agree with the premise of your post, though that wasn't the point being raised.

However, we shall see on the songwriting front. In the instrumental game, Satch is pretty much in the rarified realms of composition. And things are looking good of the first three chickenfoot songs are anything to go by.

the songwriting thing is just my opinion. I haven't been knocked on my ass by anything he wrote. The guy can play no doubt about that, I just don't like the stuff he comes up with most times.

I think the CF stuff is pretty decent but certainly nothing out of this world and to me not any better than some of the post-VH Sammy solo material. I certainly don't think it's in the same league of the Van Hagar catalogue where Sam co-wrote with that inferior guitar player. ;)

All Sam said was that Joe was the best guitarist he's ever played with. Didn't say he was the best songwriter or best hit writer, he just said he's the most versatile and technical player he's been with. And in the process he gave Ed his due for his ground breaking innovation. Even the biggest Ed rump swab around here shouldn't be upset with that.

agreed, certainly nothing negative about Ed. It was a pleasant surprise. :D

Of course this is Sammy taking a jab at Eddie. Then again, Eddie is the one who always refers to his latest lead singer as "his new brother". I guess it's all about the philosophy, "wherever you are, that's the place to be." My personal favorite is still, "wherever you go, there you are."

I can see why a statement like that would ruffle some feathers....especially the Ed Worshipers here......but really it shouldn't.....because Sammy is right.

I am as big of an Eddie guy as they come here......but there are lots of guys out there who are "better" guitar players than Ed......and Satch could be one them.....just because Eddie is my favorite guitar player, doesn't mean I think he's the best....

And anyone who thinks Sam is taking a shot at Eddie here should let it go....because if its a jab at him....it's then also a jab at Montrose, Schon, Vic, and whomever else has played for him.

Of course this is Sammy taking a jab at Eddie. Then again, Eddie is the one who always refers to his latest lead singer as "his new brother". I guess it's all about the philosophy, "wherever you are, that's the place to be." My personal favorite is still, "wherever you go, there you are."


Hey are you wooda ? from ddlr ?

I agree with that statement

LOL, what I see here are WAY more people complaining about complainers, than there are complaints.! Funny shit.

Hey are you wooda ? from ddlr ?

I agree with that statement

Nope.

What happened to ddlr.com?

LOL, what I see here are WAY more people complaining about complainers, than there are complaints.! Funny shit.

Just wait, in a couple of pages we'll have complaints about complainers not making sensible complaints or being passive aggressive complainers and making complaints about the fact that complainers are not complaining at all.

Life at the links is nothing if not convoluted.

Nope.

What happened to ddlr.com?


No Mas ! I do not know I guess no cash to keep it going

Once again Sam needs to talk shit about the man who made him famous, just to promote his new project.

Who, Ronnie Montrose? What has Sam said against Ronnie Montrose?

Eddie and Sam are like many great musical duo's that have a love/hate relationship. I don't think Sam was directly taking a jab at Eddie but Sam will do what he can to get some media for his latest project. These two guy probably wish things were different now and they have respect for each other but both are pissed about how things turned out.

Eddie and Sam are like many great musical duo's that have a love/hate relationship. I don't think Sam was directly taking a jab at Eddie but Sam will do what he can to get some media for his latest project. These two guy probably wish things were different now and they have respect for each other but both are pissed about how things turned out.

Agree, but I think what pissed Sam off the most is when VH booted Mikey. I think Sam is content with what he has going on Cabo Wabo, Wabos, Bar and Grills etc.

Sam has to create controversy to have people talk about Chickenfoot. It's his job as the band frontman. You'd be naive if you thought the Sam/Dave fight around 1986 didn't help BOTH acts sell records. So much so that when they needed to reboot their careers in 2002, they decided to tour together. I expect a lot more smack talk from Sam. It's part of his promotion strategy.

Just wait, in a couple of pages we'll have complaints about complainers not making sensible complaints or being passive aggressive complainers and making complaints about the fact that complainers are not complaining at all.

Life at the links is nothing if not convoluted.

Let's all just admit it - we don't have a fucking CLUE as to what goes through these guys' heads.

I love 'em all but I've grown SO tired of trying to figure it all out.
Have a kid with your better half and get back to me...

That said, Chickenfoot RAWKS. 'Nuff said.

Can we all just go to bed now?

-B :thumb:

Satch is a much better guitarist in the aspect of technique and versatility.
I agree with that.

Heart and soul? No. Composition? no. I love Joe's music but FW buries anything Joe has every recorded or will. FW buries CF under the same hill all the old Atari ET games are in Nevada.(and for the record i love CF and exited about them)

FW buries CF under the same hill all the old Atari ET games are in Nevada.(and for the record i love CF and exited about them)
I agree. I'd also add, that in the event of VHIV ever getting their acts together and moving forward with a new album, the same could be said of them. Neither Chickenfoot or Van Handicap IV are ever going to reach the greatness of the mighty, original, classic Van Halen...

and sam was visited by aliens! he believes both of those statements ? o yea < and sams the greatest lyricist ever! LOL! u know why joe and many others seem to b broader ? because its them tryin to use eddies chops with different scales! i.e. what they learned from ed! tryin to make a mark with same techniques! there isnt any[ so called ]exotic scales in popular music! very rare . u could buy a scale book and teach a monkey the harmonic minor scale. ed is an original with the greatest guitar catalog in history! nuff said

Bottom line and I hate to agree with anything Hagar spews...

Satch is for broader educated musician than Ed. His playing can bridge multiple genres and he can play them with great ability.

Ed's musical box is smaller and best worked within specific tones and musical range. Great stuff... but still a pretty narrow, but unique sound from Ed.

and sam was visited by aliens! he believes both of those statements ? o yea < and sams the greatest lyricist ever! LOL! u know why joe and many others seem to b broader ? because its them tryin to use eddies chops with different scales! i.e. what they learned from ed! tryin to make a mark with same techniques! there isnt any[ so called ]exotic scales in popular music! very rare . u could buy a scale book and teach a monkey the harmonic minor scale. ed is an original with the greatest guitar catalog in history! nuff said

go take a shower and get that sand out of your vagina

Sam says whoever he is working with at the moment is "the best". Ed does the "brother" thing. So what. Its expected. Satch is amazing but he's just not my cup of tea.

intellectual commentary!

I read this interview as well since I couldn't get tix to the Tahoe gig. Two shows sold out pretty fast.

He was mainly talking about Satriani's ability to play different genres of music. I thought it was a pretty kewl interview. Pretty much to be expected from Sam by now.

Sam knows this type of commentary will get peeps chatting about him and vh.
It's a great thing for Sam as he as a CD coming out...
Dave did this when he had Steve Vai (who's better?) and dave said Vai
The whole thing is a whatever. To be honest, Sam still seems like a spurned lover in my humble opinion. Oh the drama, I'll say Joe is the best ever.
Sam is a hard working son of a gun and has worked for his success, but @ times he reminds me of a high school kid who is pissed off @ his GF.
Then again, all these guys (sam / vh / dave) seem to do that. I guess that's good for album sales.... Carry on !

Sam is probably right, Joe can likely play anything and maybe he's just doing stuff Ed just never tried. It's a very subjective statement, and he's certainly well within his rights and experience to say so.

Admittedly, Sam does love to pitch these grand, earth-shattering statements to get some attention or pimp his own scenario, but there's nothing insulting or offensive with regards to Ed. Besides, Sam hasn't played with a capable Edward in 14 years, so his statement is insulated by the passage of time coupled with Eddie's non-existence since then, save for the recent tour when he played 25-30 year old tunes. We can debate all we like, but from Sam's perspective it's a perfectly logical thing to say.

Way back in early 1986, Sammy said that their upcoming debut album (5150) was better than any Van Halen and Sammy Hagar solo album combined. Mr. Hagar has a certain proclivity for hyperbole.

Way back in early 1986, Sammy said that their upcoming debut album (5150) was better than any Van Halen and Sammy Hagar solo album combined. Mr. Hagar has a certain proclivity for hyperbole.
What was he supposed to say? It's not as good as previous releases but it's worth checking out anyway?

somepeople like strawberry ice cream & others like vanilla..being different doesnt make either right or wrong..

I'd have to agree with Sammy on that.

I dig Eddie's playing, but obviously Satriani is a much better player, both technically and melodically.

As I've said before, I've never cared much for Satch, but I certainly respect his abilities. That said, while I'm really digging the 3 tunes we have thus far, I don't hear anything that stands up and makes me want to say, "Man, that kicks the crap out of anything on Balance." Yeah, I know, Balance is how old.....

As I've said before, I've never cared much for Satch, but I certainly respect his abilities. That said, while I'm really digging the 3 tunes we have thus far, I don't hear anything that stands up and makes me want to say, "Man, that kicks the crap out of anything on Balance." Yeah, I know, Balance is how old.....

yeah, that's pretty much how I feel but in all honesty, I think this band is holding very true to the template laid down by VH...which obviously was laid down for them by others. They got a tight, hardhitting rhythm section, the guitar hero ripping crunchy rhythms and then shining during his 25 second solo spot and then Sammy being sammy.

I wouldn't expect them to reinvent the wheel here nor would I expect Satch too spluge all over the songs to show how many meters he can play in, how seamlessly he can modulate keys and shift modes just to show that he's the most technically proficient and versatile guitar player sam has ever played with.

That wouldn't make for a very good band.

If I had my choice I would take the old Eddie over Satch but the old Eddie is gone. Satch and the foot are giving us new music at a time when Rock is sucking so I have to say I am on fired up about this music.

I wish Sammy would just avoid these statements for the best of all.....

nice to see he gives props to Ed, but I do agree that Joe Satriani is the better guitarist, the better solo-ist, but probably not the better songwriter.

go take a shower and get that sand out of your vagina


Don't waste your time debating with drummers... ;)

Joe was a better guitarist than Eddie in 88 so no complaints here. However Joe is not Eddie Van Halen just like SRV is not Jimi Hendrix. Satch Boogie, Summer Song, Pride and Joy and Scuttlebuttin are great songs but won't be considered Unchained, Panama, Purple Haze or Little Wing.

Malcolm Young probably can't play as good as Eddie on a 4 day Loon Bender with but he wrote some pretty amazing songs.

Sammy is being Sammy though. If he hooked up with Jack White tomorrow he would be the best thing since Joe Satriani. He didn't rip Eddie though and nobody should think he did.

I can't argue with Sam's point. I bet he's right on the money with that statement. I'm willing to bet Joe could play Ed under the table in terms of range. I don't doubt that for a second.

even if that is the case, this fucking guy just hasn't learned to shut the hell up. i really think he likes listening to himself talk. eddie was God when he was standing next to him raking in the $$$. sam just takes full of shit to incredible heights. he should do the world a favour and go buy an island in the middle of no where with part of his $ 80 million win fall and talk to himself everyday all day.

There are so many elements to being a great player and a musician and absolutely no one meets every single criteria for a great guitar player. I don't think Sam was full of shit when he said Eddie was the greatest player or when he says Satch is the best. Greatest at what? Best, how? They can both be true.

I'm sure Sam was totally blown away by Ed's ability (and contrary to what a few have said Sam he may have slammed Eddie personally, but he's always maintained that he's a freak of nature talent) and thought in many respects Eddie was the best. That could mean guitar innovator, songwriter, feel player, whatever the criteria was for him to say that.

Then they both moved on and Sam's with another guy that blows him away. From what I've heard Sam say so far he thinks Satch is the most eclectic guy out there as far as the range of styles he can play. And right now, making the music he's making, is probably the best situation and Satch is probably the best guitar player for what's going on right now. I think he's talking about the context of right now, today, in this moment. Just the fact that Satch is touring for himself, runs back to write and record CF music, goes back out on the road, releases a solo album, DVD, whatever, the guy's been going nuts, shows his continued passion and desire to produce. That alone might be worthy of Sam's comments.

Little harsh to say he's full of shit. Different contexts, different circumstances, different stages of life.

even if that is the case, this fucking guy just hasn't learned to shut the hell up. i really think he likes listening to himself talk. eddie was God when he was standing next to him raking in the $$$. sam just takes full of shit to incredible heights. he should do the world a favour and go buy an island in the middle of no where with part of his $ 80 million win fall and talk to himself everyday all day.

Or you could just stop reading or clicking on the links with his interviews.

Why do some of you guy's torture yourselves like this? :)

Musically speaking, Joe has a better vocabulary, but Eddie is wittier and more personable.

TK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyqwidCGQr8
I think Joe can hang with the best of them! This was one of 2 songs he wrote for HSAS but the project fell apart and Joe used it. :headbang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyqwidCGQr8
I think Joe can hang with the best of them! This was one of 2 songs he wrote for HSAS but the project fell apart and Joe used it. :headbang:

When he gets some lead technique down, he's gonna be something...

;)

TK

This kind of argument is like any other regarding what or who is "best". From women to music to wrestling to acting. There are some women, if you just compare pictures, one would seem far "prettier" to you, but if you actually hang out with them, talk with them, one might be sexier while the pretty one has no charisma or likeability. Then you might rate them opposite.

Take a band like U2. No one would ever say Bono is the best singer or Edge is the best guitar player etc etc, but they managed to create songs a lot of people like. Taken individually none of them would have ever been heard from most likely.

Sammy is a great singer, but he isn't a great songwriter. So when people say he sucked as frontman of VH.......if someone else had written great lyrics, and he sung them, he would sing them far better than most other rock singers.

Its like some actors are great, but make stupid career choices, like Burt Reynolds turning down the Jack Nicholson role in Terms of Endearment (Oscar winning role) to make Cannonball Run or Mickey Rourke being a FANTASTIC actor, but couldn't plan his way out of a tornado ravaged Gamestop.

Satriani is a better guitarist than EVH, but at times his stuff can seem less....soulful? I love Crystal Planet, but some of the later stuff just doesn't seem to have emotion. I feel moreso that way about Steve Vai....he is technically great, but none of his stuff ever seems to have that special emotional connection. Even Buckethead could play almost any type of guitar you want technically, but his music doesn't have inspiration to it IMO.

I don't know what I think about EVH anymore to be honest...he just isn't DOING anything. I really have my doubts to how much stuff is really in the mysterious vault. I guess we'll find out when he dies and his son starts working with it (I assume that is what will happen but who knows).

On the other hand, one can get pissed off that Jack White gets so much attention, but even if you don't like his stuff, you can tell he FEELS something when he is doing it. I can even appreciate music I dislike if it feels real and from the soul of the person. Even different music like country, you can tell the difference between a cookie cutter corporate creatiion and someone that has lived a life and you can hear it in their voice.

It is like the difference between great "actor" vs great "star" ...often too different things.

Shut the fuck up Sammy! I bet its hard to hold from saying the Vic is the best guitarist you have ever played with. Fuck I'd bet you'd say I was the best guitarist if given the chance and I can barely play "Mary Had A Little Lamb".:)

Sammy talking about guitar players he's played with is like a pro-athlete that keeps saying its not about the money.

It's doesn't matter who is "better". What is better to you? That's subjective isn't it? If you enjoy the music it's good(for you anyway).

The point I've tried to make and others is the 80's shred virtuoso arms race mentality ultimately is pointless and shallow. Though sometimes fun to debate as if your debating which was the best quarterback in a given era etc it mainly comes down to opinion, preference, personal experience, etc. Stats don't tell the whole story.

Granted you could measure if someone can play more notes per second or has more mastery of advanced techniques but what's the point? That alone doesn't make great memorable music. Does Michael Angelo Batio's compositions rate higher because he can play more notes than EVH, Jimmy Page, Keith Richards or David Gilmore?

People can be and think competitively by nature, it's true. Maybe it's a human animal instinct thats related to survival of the fittest and being the alpha. Imo though your speed, technical prowess, knowledge doesn't always equate great music.

It's really about the music. Do you enjoy it? When you listen to it does it fire you up, touch you, get you thinking, feeling? Does it move you and touch on your emotions? Does it stick in your mind and reward your senses when you hear it again?

Van Halen has written a lot of music like this! They may still, the jury is still out on that.

So far CF has released 3 tunes which have moved me also in it's own way. I still love the outtro/coda to SOAR when Joe starts laying it down. Do I like the end solo of Out foot out the door better? hell yes! Does it diminish the enjoyment I get from listening to SOAR..no! So what's it matter? I doubt I'll personally enjoy the CF show as much as I did the 07 VH show because of my personal preferences. Does that mean I'm not going to love it and have a great time? no. So why compare so much?

This kind of argument is what keeps this web site alive.

Now for ppl telling Sam to shut up, of course he's laughing, all the way to the bank. The guy's been in the business for 40 years, he knows the game. He himself doesn't take this all that seriously. He's excited about the new project, because when you launch a new band, it's better to be excited than jaded. Nothing new under the sun here. I'm surprised some old Linkers don't recognize promotion and marketing for what it is. This is what VH use to do, say... 20 years ago, remember?

What did Gary Pihl do to deserve this kind of trash talking from Sammy? I love Sam but he needs to take Gary's feelings into consideration before talking about how great Joe is


Pataepollo este junio

What did Gary Pihl do to deserve this kind of trash talking from Sammy? I love Sam but he needs to take Gary's feelings into consideration before talking about how great Joe is


Pataepollo este junio

Seriously! That ain't right. :)

I for one have missed the SNTSTFU'ers. Welcome back to the game I say, you angry little ferrets you. :thumb:

I for one have missed the SNTSTFU'ers. Welcome back to the game I say, you angry little ferrets you. :thumb:

No kidding. I mean, where does Sam get off praising Ed for his ground breaking innovations??? Fucking Sam, shut the fuck up already. :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We6t7pgTQgA&NR=1

BTW, I love Joe's playing, but hey Sam, Button it up Bro!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We6t7pgTQgA&NR=1

BTW, I love Joe's playing, but hey Sam, Button it up Bro!

Great solo but I think the last time these guys played together was in 2004. You have anything from that tour thats up to EVH past standards? I believe thats where Sam makes and basis is statements on the 2004 tour and you would have to admit Eds playing left alot to be desired.

Great solo but I think the last time these guys played together was in 2004. You have anything from that tour thats up to EVH past standards? I believe thats where Sam makes and basis is statements on the 2004 tour and you would have to admit Eds playing left alot to be desired.

I agree that the past 10 yrs have not be Ed's best. But.... sometimes I try to forget about all Ed has said and done in the past 10 yrs.
I just watch n listen to EVH in his heyday and it still moves me. In some cases to tears. The music was THAT powerful to me. It brings me back to how important a player he really was. When he was firing on all cylinders, it was a thing of beauty. Good to remember. All the name calling between VH alumni is unfortunate. It hurts morale for the fanbase and the history of a band that should have had a BIGGER place in rock history. VH is certainly a household name, but I believe they could have jumped a peg or two higher minus all the BS. Best CV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We6t7pgTQgA&NR=1

BTW, I love Joe's playing, but hey Sam, Button it up Bro!Yeah Satch is better than Ed, at sucking. People who say Satch is better than Ed are just caught in the moment and their emotions because of what Ed has done the past decade. Ed changed the guitar, PERIOD. If you disagree you have either been living in a cave, blind, stupid, or my favorite hugging Sammy's nuts. All this is of course my opinion. :thumb:

I agree that the past 10 yrs have not be Ed's best. But.... sometimes I try to forget about all Ed has said and done in the past 10 yrs.
I just watch n listen to EVH in his heyday and it still moves me. In some cases to tears. The music was THAT powerful to me. It brings me back to how important a player he really was. When he was firing on all cylinders, it was a thing of beauty. Good to remember. All the name calling between VH alumni is unfortunate. It hurts morale for the fanbase and the history of a band that should have had a BIGGER place in rock history. VH is certainly a household name, but I believe they could have jumped a peg or two higher minus all the BS. Best CV


Agree dude back in the day it was a thing of beauty. I also believe the in fighting of the band has taken away from their history.

What did Gary Pihl do to deserve this kind of trash talking from Sammy? I love Sam but he needs to take Gary's feelings into consideration before talking about how great Joe is

:funny: I guess Gary and Tom Scholz are gonna start some shit with the 'Foot now. Rock's new feud of the year...ha ha ha!

We need that kind of debate. That's the kind of healthy debate that fans of great guitar playing should have.

What's not healthy is what was going on only a few years ago, porn tracks, "cure for cancer," no holds bbq, wolfie, etc. Stuff that was starting to make van halen's body of work a laughing stock.

EVH vs. Satch, now that's a much saner topic of discussion. Thank you Sammy.

*Grabs flame shield*

I agree with Hagar, Joe Satriani is a great player, he knows his stuff, masters the techniques, can play in all different styles, and he keeps his playing up to date.
Ed was great but he kept it with one style (but what a unique style i love his playing) and the worst thing of all is that he couldnt keep his playing up on the same level.
I love both guitarists with their own unique ways of playing but i have to admit that Joe is better.

And i know this isn't the right thing to say on a Van Halen forum but atleast i got the balls to say it at least :P

this discussion is so pointless. By now we should all know that Ed, Satch, Vai, and anyone else we want to talk about are just fighting for second place.

The all-time ruler, the GOD of guitar is the one...the only...


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Neal Fucking Schon.


Don't look too long at the photo...staring at the white hot pulsating star that radiates its pure schonocity upon the earth can blind you...and render you impotent.

*Grabs flame shield*

I agree with Hagar, Joe Satriani is a great player, he knows his stuff, masters the techniques, can play in all different styles, and he keeps his playing up to date.
Ed was great but he kept it with one style (but what a unique style i love his playing) and the worst thing of all is that he couldnt keep his playing up on the same level.
I love both guitarists with their own unique ways of playing but i have to admit that Joe is better.

And i know this isn't the right thing to say on a Van Halen forum but atleast i got the balls to say it at least :P

This discussion could go on and on. Every player has his unique style. Ed and joe have been around a long time. Both have been successful and have done so by taking different paths. I think if you sat in a room with either one and they played for you, you would be equally impressed, so really it comes down to an opinion. If you go by who has been more successful then there would be no question, but if you go by the "What have you done for me lately?" well then we also know who wins hands down for that as well. They are both great and I'm glad Joe finally got into a band to show people what he is really made of. My own opinion is that Joe (at this time) does have more of an edge just because he still has that fire inside of him that is still burning. Ed has only shown a flicker here and there. Maybe Joe is the flame that will get Ed's ass a moving!!

Yeah Satch is better than Ed, at sucking. People who say Satch is better than Ed are just caught in the moment and their emotions because of what Ed has done the past decade. Ed changed the guitar, PERIOD. If you disagree you have either been living in a cave, blind, stupid, or my favorite hugging Sammy's nuts. All this is of course my opinion. :thumb:

Don't let your bias affect your judgment or anything. :sssh:

Sold!

After 78 years on the planet Sammy has finally sold me.

I love it! Will buy this. VIP style.

Don't let your bias affect your judgment or anything. :sssh:Me? No, not me, never.:sssh: You know me better than that .;)

Yeah Satch is better than Ed, at sucking. People who say Satch is better than Ed are just caught in the moment and their emotions because of what Ed has done the past decade. Ed changed the guitar, PERIOD. If you disagree you have either been living in a cave, blind, stupid, or my favorite hugging Sammy's nuts. All this is of course my opinion. :thumb:

Was it really necessary to include sophomoric insults of Satch and others here when posting your opinion? :rolleyes:

I've always like both of them, as they are both great rock guitarists. Although I've always preferred EVH, especially because of his superior tone, how do you credibly ignore the last decade when comparing the two? I know it gets a lot easier making comparisons when you set arbitrary criteria that you know benefits your point of view, but I don't think that approach is persuasive or effectively provides support for your opinion. For example, what would you think if someone made the comparison between EVH and Satch but only after excluding the first 10 years of EVH's career? EVH's longetivity has undoubtedly hurt him because we've all been witness to his stagnation in regards to innovation (something Hendrix never went through because he died), as well as his various poor decisions since 1996 leading the band, but I certainly understand people including this when comparing EVH and Satch.

Personally, I understand why different people claim one is better than the other since the two of them are so close in talent, with EVH having a larger impact and influence, while Satch having a greater ability to play diverse styles of music. I certainly don't think those that think Satch is better "have either been living in a cave, blind, stupid, or hugging Sammy's nuts." All of this, of course, is my open-minded analysis. ;)

Was it really necessary to include sophomoric insults of Satch and others here when posting your opinion? :rolleyes:
Yes.

I've always like both of them, as they are both great rock guitarists. Although I've always preferred EVH, especially because of his superior tone, how do you credibly ignore the last decade when comparing the two? I know it gets a lot easier making comparisons when you set arbitrary criteria that you know benefits your point of view, but I don't think that approach is persuasive or effectively provides support for your opinion. For example, what would you think if someone made the comparison between EVH and Satch but only after excluding the first 10 years of EVH's career? EVH's longetivity has undoubtedly hurt him because we've all been witness to his stagnation in regards to innovation (something Hendrix never went through because he died), as well as his various poor decisions since 1996 leading the band, but I certainly understand people including this when comparing EVH and Satch.

Personally, I understand why different people claim one is better than the other since the two of them are so close in talent, with EVH having a larger impact and influence, while Satch having a greater ability to play diverse styles of music. I certainly don't think those that think Satch is better "have either been living in a cave, blind, stupid, or hugging Sammy's nuts." All of this, of course, is my open-minded analysis. ;)

Wow a response 15 days later. Thanks. Everything I have heard from Satch is sub-par from the hype he portrays. I myself don't think he is anything but a second rate Steve Vai. I think he is getting accolades because of the Chickenfoot project which is great and I'm glad all parties involved are happy however does not change my opinion. And the cave comment was aimed at the little acknowledgment of his innovations and contributions not neccesarily his talent more or less of him changing the guitar. And yes sophmoric comments were warrented. And of couse, this is just my opinion. :thumb:

Wow a response 15 days later. Thanks. Everything I have heard from Satch is sub-par from the hype he portrays. I myself don't think he is anything but a second rate Steve Vai. I think he is getting accolades because of the Chickenfoot project which is great and I'm glad all parties involved are happy however does not change my opinion. And the cave comment was aimed at the little acknowledgment of his innovations and contributions not neccesarily his talent more or less of him changing the guitar. And yes sophmoric comments were warrented. And of couse, this is just my opinion. :thumb:

FYI: It's 15 days later because I just read through the thread after 18 months or so away from participating on this site. I actually hadn't restarted posting here until about a week ago.

You want to post sophomoric insults as part of your opinions, then that's your prerogative. Knock yourself out. It just often creates an endless circle of similar responses from others that accomplishes nothing, especially in online debates. I know, as I used to get caught in this circle in the past, too. Just look at the recent posts from the Roth Army guys disrupting various CF threads. A bunch of 30- and 40-somethings posting antagonizing crap about CF one would expect from a teenager, which results in similar responses from others. That's not meant as a perfect analogy because you're nothing like that group of people, but using hyperbole to say that Satch sucks is really only meant to start a fight. As I said, I prefer EVH but I don't think too many people think Satch sucks nor does one have to be "living in a cave, blind, stupid, or...hugging Sammy's nuts" to prefer him over EVH. Nonetheless, we'll just have to agree to disagree on some of these matters. :)

Back on topic (!), you gotta admit that Schon rocks this photo in the hair department: he has the fro' PLUS the 'stache. Dangerous.

FYI: It's 15 days later because I just read through the thread after 18 months or so away from participating on this site. I actually hadn't restarted posting here until about a week ago.

You want to post sophomoric insults as part of your opinions, then that's your prerogative. Knock yourself out. It just often creates an endless circle of similar responses from others that accomplishes nothing, especially in online debates. I know, as I used to get caught in this circle in the past, too. Just look at the recent posts from the Roth Army guys disrupting various CF threads. A bunch of 30- and 40-somethings posting antagonizing crap about CF one would expect from a teenager, which results in similar responses from others. That's not meant as a perfect analogy because you're nothing like that group of people, but using hyperbole to say that Satch sucks is really only meant to start a fight. As I said, I prefer EVH but I don't think too many people think Satch sucks nor does one have to be "living in a cave, blind, stupid, or...hugging Sammy's nuts" to prefer him over EVH. Nonetheless, we'll just have to agree to disagree on some of these matters. :)In this case you may be correct good sir. :thumb: Folks speak highly of you, welcome back.

Once again Sam needs to talk shit about the man who made him famous, just to promote his new project.

Learn how to read.

Once again Sam needs to talk shit about the man who made him famous, just to promote his new project.
When did Sammy start talking shit about Ronnie Montrose???:wtf:

When did Sammy start talking shit about Ronnie Montrose???:wtf:

I refer you to my post on page #2:

http://www.vhlinks.com/vbforums/showpost.php?p=1130947&postcount=29

*high fives* Kudos on that one, my good sir :thumb:

Wow a response 15 days later. Thanks. Everything I have heard from Satch is sub-par from the hype he portrays. I myself don't think he is anything but a second rate Steve Vai. I think he is getting accolades because of the Chickenfoot project which is great and I'm glad all parties involved are happy however does not change my opinion. And the cave comment was aimed at the little acknowledgment of his innovations and contributions not neccesarily his talent more or less of him changing the guitar. And yes sophmoric comments were warrented. And of couse, this is just my opinion. :thumb:

That's because you were unversed in his talent before he joined Chickenfoot, obviously.

Halen and Poison or bust, I guess. :sssh:

I refer you to my post on page #2:

http://www.vhlinks.com/vbforums/showpost.php?p=1130947&postcount=29

*high fives* Kudos on that one, my good sir :thumb:


Nice avvie. :thumb:

Nice avvie. :thumb:

Gracias, my good sir :thumb:

That's because you were unversed in his talent before he joined Chickenfoot, obviously.

Halen and Poison or bust, I guess. :sssh:Actually shithead I know of his work. Kinda hard to not know who he is. My cave has TV and publications. :sssh:

Actually shithead I know of his work. Kinda hard to not know who he is. My cave has TV and publications. :sssh:

Yeah, you might wanna upgrade your subscriptions past the early eighties era. You're doing a pretty good job of not knowing who he is. :)

Yeah, you might wanna upgrade your subscriptions past the early eighties era. You're doing a pretty good job of not knowing who he is. :)

Your lips seem to be on his cock lately so why don't you get his bio for me while you're down there.

Good one, puddin'. :rolleyes:

Not to interrupt you two chicks having a cat fight, but according to one Mr. Jimbo, who was listening (as I wasn't), Sam was asked by our local radio station when he was hanging with them before the show last night to compare Joe and Ed, and he flat out said no, he wasn't going there.

So yes, make a note, Sammy did shut his pie-hole and avoid the question last night. :cool:

What did Gary Pihl do to deserve this kind of trash talking from Sammy? I love Sam but he needs to take Gary's feelings into consideration before talking about how great Joe is


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Ah, Gary's done all right for himself - he's been playing with Boston all these years and I don't think Scholz has taken him to court once!

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